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Incompetence, Unpopularity and Murmurs of Corruption Why Gray Davis is to blame for the recall
SFgate.com ^ | June22 2003 | Tony Quinn

Posted on 06/26/2003 12:37:32 PM PDT by Bullish

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:42:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

It's never happened before but this fall, or no later than next spring, Gov. Gray Davis seems destined to face a recall election that could well end his governorship.

Davis supporters loudly proclaim this is an unjustified right-wing coup to undo last year's election results. They are right about the right-wing part, but wrong about justification. In fact, this recall is exactly what the Progressive reformers had in mind when they added direct democracy, including recall of public officials, to our Constitution 90 years ago.


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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: davis; recall
This guy's got it right.
1 posted on 06/26/2003 12:37:33 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: Bullish
Damn good analysis! Thanks for the post!
2 posted on 06/26/2003 12:40:37 PM PDT by JennysCool
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To: Bullish
So Davis is recalled, a Pubbie wins and is responsible for fixing CA in a measly 2 years before the 2006 elections. Keep in mind that the CA Legislature is still dominated by Rats.

The Rats with their liberal media friends will just point fingers and another Rat will take over CA.

Brilliant. Just brilliant.

3 posted on 06/26/2003 12:41:02 PM PDT by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: Bullish
Good read BUMP!
4 posted on 06/26/2003 12:42:50 PM PDT by Honcho
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To: ServesURight
Why do you non-California FReepers want Davis to remain in power? You don't care about California or what happens to it, so why even add you negative 2-cent commentary on it?
5 posted on 06/26/2003 12:43:13 PM PDT by BlkConserv
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To: ServesURight
Keep in mind that the CA Legislature is still dominated by Rats.

And a Democratic legislator who refuses to cooperate with a new Republican governor can also be recalled. And it will only take one legislative recall to put the fear of God into the rest of the herd.

6 posted on 06/26/2003 12:43:59 PM PDT by Publius
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To: Bullish
This morning Mark Larson (KRLA 870AM) reported that Dufus goes to Saks of Beverly Hills every weekend. The clerks say he always shows up just before closing and requests that the store remain open just for him. He then hangs out in the shoe department and buys nothing. These folks are forced to stay open with no OT so that Dufus can stay current on the latest shoe styles. Weird.
7 posted on 06/26/2003 12:45:21 PM PDT by w_over_w (I've sent in 27 signatures [to recall Grey Dufus] . . . and counting . . . how about you?)
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To: ServesURight
Even democrats, who thought that it was safe for them to do whatever they pleased, have cast a wary eye on this phenomenon. They too realise their own vulnerability. The message is, that you can't bowl-people-over and expect them to take it lying down!
8 posted on 06/26/2003 12:51:44 PM PDT by old school
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To: Publius
Give me a break. The voters and time aren't there to recall every Rat in the legislature.
9 posted on 06/26/2003 12:54:04 PM PDT by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: Bullish
It's worth it to fight for the veto. A Republican governor can make a lot of trouble for the demo agenda, especially if the public sees him/her actually trying to fix the problems the dems have gotten us into.

The CA public is ready for new ideas, IMHO.
10 posted on 06/26/2003 12:54:52 PM PDT by telebob
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To: BlkConserv
Why do you non-California FReepers want Davis to remain in power?

Because some people's role in life is to serve as an example to others of what NOT to do.

11 posted on 06/26/2003 12:55:11 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear....)
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To: Bullish
Davis is California's answer to David Dinkens.
12 posted on 06/26/2003 12:55:20 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: sheik yerbouty
or Dennis Kuchinich.
13 posted on 06/26/2003 12:56:08 PM PDT by anoldafvet (Freedom isn't free, it's the most costly gift you'll ever receive.)
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To: BlkConserv
You don't care about California or what happens to it, so why even add you negative 2-cent commentary on it?

Because you people are cutting off you nose to spite your face.

A Republican governor, if Davis is successfully recalled, is going to get nothing done. Period. Democratic gubernatorial candidates will already materialize in 2005.

Let the state burn, which will teach the rest of the Republic a lesson in socialism.

14 posted on 06/26/2003 12:56:46 PM PDT by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: anoldafvet
Davis can still work as a men's room attendant.
16 posted on 06/26/2003 1:01:27 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: ServesURight
Lots of posters here keep displaying their disgust at the possibility of a GOP governor in the midst of this mess. Folks, if we don't get someone with a blue pencil and the willingness to use it, it will end up dragging the entire US economy down. We are taking it in the shorts out here with hundreds of new taxes and fees proposed...and not just little ones like an extra $2 to use the park or lake facility. They are aiming at Prop 13 and getting around it to hike property taxes. And there is even a bill for a local municipal income tax. How bad is bad enough for you folks? Yes, I agree they made the mess and should have to swim in it, but if the possibility of someone with an ounce of real vision and leadership taking over the helm, I believe that serves as just a vivid example of how wrong things are as would be the example of thousands of gainfully employed people having to sell their homes due to the inability to pay the higher property taxes and city income taxes. Do you really need the National Guard to come in and take over the bankrupt State Government to make your point? Gov Davis' approval rating is almost dropped into the teens....I think people get it and are tired of it. If a Republican comes in and takes over, almost anything they do will be better than what we have now...and can run on that record in 2006...while asking folks if they really want to go back to the days and policies of Davis as would happen with a Lockyer/Angelides governorship. Sorry for the rant and it is not personal ServesURight, but there are opportunities that are being overlooked in light of this terrible situation out here.
17 posted on 06/26/2003 1:01:37 PM PDT by ScottinSacto
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To: Bullish
This is where Davis is most vulnerable in the recall; essentially he must now run against himself to hold onto his job

And that's the key that is his undoing here: instead of running the smear machine on one other guy, the subject of the election is HIM. There will no doubt be more than one candidate on the other side; that plurality means that he won't have a clear target to level his dung barrage at.

The issue is gonna be Joe Davis. And that means he's gone.

18 posted on 06/26/2003 1:04:05 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: ServesURight
The Rats with their liberal media friends will just point fingers and another Rat will take over CA.

That's a fairly simplistic view. First of all, if WE (Californians) are fortunate enough to get a republican governor, the reckless and corrupt financing of the state treasury will be exposed. Even the bias media will have to report it. Second, any current or subsequent reckless expenditures will be vetoed. The legislature doesn't have a 2/3s majority to override a veto. Third, with a republican governor the current anti-business environment can be turned around so that the record number of businesses leaving the state will stop the hemorrhaging of needed revenues for growth. Finally, there are many more solid reasons to remove this horrible man and replace him with a republican. But I think I've provided an ample counter point(s) to your "limp noodle" position. Are you even a resident of our state?

19 posted on 06/26/2003 1:05:07 PM PDT by w_over_w (I've sent in 27 signatures [to recall Grey Dufus] . . . and counting . . . how about you?)
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To: Bullish
Tony Quinn's a liberal but he's clear-headed. There's little question Davis is toast. Smearing your opponents will only take you so far. We'll see if the Rats manage to uncover skeletons in Tom McClintock's closet.
20 posted on 06/26/2003 1:06:25 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ServesURight
You don't have to recall every single Democrat in the legislature. If just one Democratic legislator falls to a recall, the rest will understand.
21 posted on 06/26/2003 1:08:30 PM PDT by Publius
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To: ServesURight
Couldn't get much worse here anyway, now could it?

At least we will send a msg to Dems And Pubbies alike.

We DO have the power to remove you so don't think you can cheat everybody and get away with it.

I for one am willing to shoot the dice on this recall.

22 posted on 06/26/2003 1:08:50 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: goldstategop
We'll see if the Rats manage to uncover skeletons in Tom McClintock's closet.

If they can't find anything on Tom McClintock it sure won't be for lack of trying, in fact, they will invent something out of whole cloth if they can.

Such is the nature of Cal democrats and there accomplises in the media.

23 posted on 06/26/2003 1:16:57 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: w_over_w
These folks are forced to stay open with no OT so that Dufus can stay current on the latest shoe styles. Weird.

They aren't FORCED to do anything. If they don't want Grey-out Davis around because he wastes their time and money, they don't have to keep the joint open for them.

Like the old saying, "Fool me once, Shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

24 posted on 06/26/2003 1:17:00 PM PDT by Tamar1973 ("He who is compassionate to the cruel, ends up being cruel to the compassionate." Chazal/Jewish sage)
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To: ServesURight
"You don't live in CA anyway. Well maybe in South-Central L.A. or Compton LOL."

Do you know something about BlkConserv that the rest of us aren't aware of, or are you exhibiting the depth of your
IQ?
25 posted on 06/26/2003 1:17:48 PM PDT by old school
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To: Tamar1973
Hello again . . .

They aren't FORCED to do anything.

You're right and if they had half the fortitude that I believe you have they would express their displeasure. Still, the story speaks volumes about this man. It reminded me of the time Klintoon kept LAX backed up so he could have a haircut on AF1.

BTW, I own a CRV too! ;^)

26 posted on 06/26/2003 1:24:21 PM PDT by w_over_w (I've sent in 27 signatures [to recall Grey Dufus] . . . and counting . . . how about you?)
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To: w_over_w
It reminded me of the time Klintoon kept LAX backed up so he could have a haircut on AF1.

ROTFLOL! My husband and I were talking about that last night. Billy Jeff spent $200 on that haircut and I couldn't even tell he got it cut. I told my husband if I pay $200 to get a haircut, it better look like a $200 haircut.

27 posted on 06/26/2003 1:29:07 PM PDT by Tamar1973 ("He who is compassionate to the cruel, ends up being cruel to the compassionate." Chazal/Jewish sage)
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To: ScottinSacto
You're absolutely right and what makes it worse is that if by some miracle all the tax hikes work, the RATS now have a model for the other 49 states. In case anyone forgets, the RATS keep saying that the successes of the '90"s were due to Clinton's tax hikes, when in reality they were in spite of them.
28 posted on 06/26/2003 1:46:39 PM PDT by anoldafvet (Freedom isn't free, it's the most costly gift you'll ever receive.)
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To: ServesURight
You assume an awful lot when you think a GOPer will win. There will probably be thirty candidates on the ballot, including several GOPs and several Dems. And the Green Party, and the Socialsist Party, and the Peace and Freedom Party, and the Libertarians, etc....

All of which means a very fractured vote. And the winner is NOT whoever gets a majority, but whoever gets the most votes, even if it is only 5% of the total. Which means that ANYTHING can happen. A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

Arnold could win, on name recognition. Or Ralph Nader. Or O.J. Simpson. Or Johnnie Cochran. Or Gloria Allred. The fact is, it probably won't be a politician or a businessman. In fact, because name recognition will be so important, I predict an entertainer or other celebrity will be the next Governor. I just have no idea who.

It should be very entertaining.

29 posted on 06/26/2003 2:12:00 PM PDT by Earl B.
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To: Earl B.
There will probably be thirty candidates on the ballot, including several GOPs and several Dems.

Naw. The Dems (at this point) except for Feinstein are loyal to Davis.

30 posted on 06/26/2003 2:15:22 PM PDT by Tamar1973 ("He who is compassionate to the cruel, ends up being cruel to the compassionate." Chazal/Jewish sage)
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To: Tamar1973
Naw. The Dems (at this point) except for Feinstein are loyal to Davis.

Once the rats see that Davis' ship is sinkging their loyatly will fizzle, and a few will announce their intent to "save" the Cal democrats from the "evil" right wing.

Others will be jumping ship to distance themselves from this admin. thereby keeping their own futures intact.

Liberals really have no loyalty bigger than themselves.

31 posted on 06/26/2003 3:48:41 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: AdamSelene235
Why do you non-California FReepers want Davis to remain in power? Because some people's role in life is to serve as an example to others of what NOT to do.

Very funny. Try getting the crap taxed out of you and try paying our energy bills, and see how funny it is.

32 posted on 06/26/2003 5:08:42 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: ServesURight; BlkConserv; Publius; ScottinSacto
A Republican governor, if Davis is successfully recalled, is going to get nothing done. Period.

Hello? Reference? Being an out of stater I should inform you that even with huge majorities of Democrates in the Legislature, and a Green Marxist as Gov, they still have not been able to raise taxes directly [yet] because of propositions, and the 2/3rd required to pass a budget. California politics is very complicated, not to be dipped in toe first as you are.

Democratic gubernatorial candidates will already materialize in 2005.

Tell us why we care? The recall will be happening in the fall of 2003, and Davis-term will serve til 2007. If the GOP replacement is talking about increasing spending and raising taxes while -$38.2 bil in the hole, I'm sure WE will all support getting rid of him too.

Let the state burn, which will teach the rest of the Republic a lesson in socialism.

How unbelievably empathetic... There are very real solutions to the budget crisis that a Republican Gov can solve. As ScottinSacto pointed out to you, if you allow us to "burn" (how sweet of you) being the majority state of the US economy, we will bring down the ENTIRE economy. That means a serious challenge to Bush in 04, and the possible reversal in the Republican Revolution.

All because of some lack of faith and resolve in conservative ideas resonating with the electorate. If this isn't Conservatives biggest obsticle in America, I don't know what is.

33 posted on 06/26/2003 5:12:36 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock in '03!)
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To: ServesURight
Let the state burn, which will teach the rest of the Republic a lesson in socialism

There are too many lessons on socialism already, and this is a grass roots revolt against it already. We are more fed up then those of you outside California seem to have any clue of, and we are gaining converts from former liberals. What the Clintons did for the U.S. Legislator in 94, Davis will likely do for the California Legislator in 04, not because there was a recall and not because there was not a recall--but for the same reason there is a recall. Try as they might to shift the blame, a majority of Californians have finally figured out what political party has brought us this mess.

34 posted on 06/26/2003 5:19:33 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: AndyTheBear
Very funny. Try getting the crap taxed out of you and try paying our energy bills, and see how funny it is.

I did. I left. You should too. Would you like me to call a waaaaah-bulance?

35 posted on 06/26/2003 7:14:30 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear....)
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To: ScottinSacto
. Do you really need the National Guard to come in and take over the bankrupt State Government to make your point?

I was kinda hoping for a year long state-wide Rodney King style riot followed by finale that combines the worst features of the destruction of Sodom and the book of Revelation.

Not that I didn't enjoy my stay there.

36 posted on 06/26/2003 7:44:04 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear....)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
Very good wording. Nice retort.
37 posted on 06/26/2003 7:45:16 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: Bullish
Very good wording. Nice retort.

Thanks Bullish, I'm getting alittle frustrated though. I can't get a decent arguement out of these anti-recallers. If one didn't know better they'd say they were operating on ignorance, fecklessness, and emotional bitterness at the perceived stature of the Golden State. I keep picking up from the louder out of staters a total lack of any desire to understand the details surrounding the recall, because they don't CARE about whether it can work-their goal is to see us fail, and our state knocked down. I've heard the word "destroyed" used a number of times. Its petty and childish, but worse, its sincere.

If we did have an economic collapse with run away unemployment and riots in the streets, I think we'd get some condolences, some Amens to our complaining, and encouragement to just move away---yet out of view, they'd be high fiving eachother about the arrogant Californians "being brought down a peg or two." Reminds me alot of 9/11, Americans think that all rational people felt our pain, but the European Left paid us lip service and did just that behind our back. Nobody ever said life was fair. That kind of bitterness and cynicism doesn't get ahead in life. We can't be bitter, hell its sunny here every day!

38 posted on 06/26/2003 8:25:59 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock in '03!)
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To: AdamSelene235
I did. I left. You should too. Would you like me to call a waaaaah-bulance?

If the Rats take over the federal government and start running it into the ground are you gonna just move to another country? How very brave of you.

39 posted on 06/27/2003 12:47:09 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: ServesURight
A Republican will not succeed Davis. It will be a Dim, most likely Cruz Bustamente, either by a recall vote or by resignation (i.e., Davis resigns and Bustamente, as Lt. Governor, succeeds him).
40 posted on 06/27/2003 12:51:52 PM PDT by ought-six
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To: AndyTheBear
If the Rats take over the federal government and start running it into the ground are you gonna just move to another country? How very brave of you.

Keynesian socialism *is* the primary mindset of both the D's and R's right now. Or did you fail to notice the 400 billion dollar expansion of Medicare or the 15 billion in welfare for Africa?

They *are* running the country into the ground.

And no, I'm not leaving. I have moved to high ground and I would suggest you do the same.

41 posted on 06/27/2003 1:21:36 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear....)
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To: ought-six
A Republican will not succeed Davis. It will be a Dim, most likely Cruz Bustamente, either by a recall vote or by resignation (i.e., Davis resigns and Bustamente, as Lt. Governor, succeeds him).

Where do you get your information?

Davis cannot just resign and pass on his office to the Lt. Governor. It doesn't work that way here.

If he resigns, fine, The recall election is still on. It's the office that is being recalled, so an election is still held to decide whether the electorate wants to recall, and then they are given a choice of candidates.

Stick a fork in Davis. He's done!

42 posted on 06/27/2003 1:23:00 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: Bullish
"Davis cannot just resign and pass on his office to the Lt. Governor. It doesn't work that way here."

Fox News said it's a distinct possibility last night. As for who succeeds Davis (and SOMEONE will, because the guy is definitely toast) I am torn on that: On the one hand, I'd be thrilled to see a conservative Republican get in (won't happen), and would even welcome a moderate Republican; however, that could be a double-edged sword, because if that person can't turn California around to any noticeable axtent, he or she will be blamed just as much as Davis is. As you know, the electorate is fickle as hell, and has the knack of remembering bad things and forgetting good things. On the other hand, if another Dim succeeds Davis, the only good thing for the state would be if he or she falls on his or her ass, doesn't fix anything, and the state implodes and in 2006 there would be a complete housecleaning, in which case the Republicans may be able to get back into office.

I don't know, it's a tough call. I'll take my chances with the Republican, because he or she can't screw things up any more than what they are now. But there is no doubt that Davis is through.

43 posted on 06/28/2003 9:28:56 AM PDT by ought-six
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