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FBI Criticizes Mexican Consular I.D. Cards
Los Angeles Times ^ | 6/26/03 - 1352 PT | Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar

Posted on 06/26/2003 6:08:48 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan

FBI Criticizes Mexican Consular I.D. Cards

The cards, held by more than a million immigrants in Califoria and elswhere, are prone to fraudulent use, the agency tells Congress.

By Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar
Times Staff Writer

1:52 PM PDT, June 26, 2003

WASHINGTON - The FBI told a congressional panel today that the Mexican consular identification card used by more than 1 million immigrants in California and elsewhere is prone to fraudulent use by criminals and possibly terrorists.

"The Department of Justice and the FBI have concluded that the matricula consular is not a reliable form of identification," said Steven McCraw, assistant director of the FBI's intelligence office. "As a result of these problems, there are ... major criminal threats posed by the cards and (a) potential terrorist threat."

Resembling a driver's license and displaying the bearer's address in the United States, the cards are accepted as valid identification by more than 70 banks, 800 police departments and numerous local governments, including the city of Los Angeles. The California Legislature is considering measures that would require statewide acceptance.

McCraw's testimony brought into the open a debate within the Bush administration, as it struggles to develop a government-wide policy on consular identifications.

Currently, they are not valid for admittance to federal buildings but can be used to board an airline flight. Within the administration, the departments of State and Treasury have taken a tolerant view of the cards, while the FBI is raising strong concerns. The Homeland Security Department is voicing some reservations.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crime; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; invasion; nationalsecurity; puertorico
Now will the feds get off their butts and ban these bogus things nationwide?
1 posted on 06/26/2003 6:08:48 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: holyscroller; Spiff; HiJinx; flamefront; Drill Alaska; healey22; lutine; Right_Makes_Might; ...
A 'Bogus Mexican ID' PING!
2 posted on 06/26/2003 6:09:30 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan (Stop the invasion. Put the military on the borders, round up illegals, and tell Fox to shove off.)
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To: Tancredo Fan
Unlikely, if its State Dept was down in Mexico negotiating deployment terms for this extra-legal stealth amnesty.
3 posted on 06/26/2003 6:15:14 PM PDT by dagnabbit (What was your Matricula card deal with the Mexican Government Mr. Bush?)
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Glad the FBI and Homeland Security realize the propensity for abuse and fraud, and I hope they convince Congress or the executive branch to do something.

Last I heard, we still require all aliens (including permanent residents) to carry proof of legal presence at all times. If we enforce those laws, the consular card won't be so useful.

4 posted on 06/26/2003 6:18:37 PM PDT by heleny
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To: Tancredo Fan
it's a BIG mistake to accept any foreign document for domestic use!

i'd rather see them use american drivers' licenses.
5 posted on 06/26/2003 6:20:19 PM PDT by liberalnot (democrats fear democracy. /s)
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To: Tancredo Fan
"As a result of these problems, there are ... major criminal threats posed by the cards and (a) potential terrorist threat."
but can be used to board an airline flight

6 posted on 06/26/2003 6:22:27 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: liberalnot
i'd rather see them use american drivers' licenses.

I agree.... that is unless said license was issued by a state that routinely issues licenses to invading illegals, and/or the states of Pennsylvania, Delaware, North Carolina, Tennessee, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, Utah and New Mexico. These states take the scurvy Mexican ID card as valid ID when applying for a license. Remember, only illegal aliens need these phony things, and Mexico is a hostile ditch of a nation that is corrupt to the core.

7 posted on 06/26/2003 6:28:59 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan (Stop the invasion. Put the military on the borders, round up illegals, and tell Fox to shove off.)
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To: heleny
We do not enforce those laws.

For example, if the INS has less then 15 illegal aliens reported to them they end up ignoring it as being "unproductive".

Often in NYC and other areas, Illegal are given paperwork and told to report in to INS and released on the street.

Typical alias trick in NYC and CT is to swap the first and last names, uses cousins or brothers names, etc.

Many have 5-8 IDs.

Another old trick for hispanics is to obtain phoney birth certificates from Puerto Rico.

Instant US citizenship, instant rights, instant benefits, instant access with racial preferences to U of Michigan law school, Duke Medical School, or any business hiring, including government.

Doris Meissner, Clinton's INS honcho said illegal aliens were "not a priority" in a televised press interview.

Ziglar, the new INS chief is not much better, but the heat from 9-11 and Homeland Security has forced him to move a little.

District INC heads are notorious for ignoring Federal law and acting in a liberal political agenda, expecially in California.

8 posted on 06/26/2003 6:32:57 PM PDT by autoresponder (. . . . SOME CAN*T HANDLE THE TRUTH . . . THE NYT ESPECIALLY!)
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To: Tancredo Fan
and insurance would be required.

so taxpayers and consumers would benefit.

9 posted on 06/26/2003 6:33:01 PM PDT by liberalnot (democrats fear democracy. /s)
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To: Tancredo Fan
"The Department of Justice and the FBI have concluded that the matricula consular is not a reliable form of identification," said Steven McCraw, assistant director of the FBI's intelligence office. "As a result of these problems, there are ... major criminal threats posed by the cards and (a) potential terrorist threat."

McCraw could not be reached for further comment, as he is on leave pending a sensitivity audit and retraining.


10 posted on 06/26/2003 6:34:12 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Tancredo Fan; StarFan; Black Agnes
Ping!!
11 posted on 06/26/2003 6:37:30 PM PDT by Dutchy
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To: Tancredo Fan

12 posted on 06/26/2003 6:38:13 PM PDT by concentric circles
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To: Sabertooth
{"The Department of Justice and the FBI have concluded that the matricula consular is not a reliable form of identification," said Steven McCraw, assistant director of the FBI's intelligence office. "As a result of these problems, there are ... major criminal threats posed by the cards and (a) potential terrorist threat."}

God help us if society deems those statements to be racist. Political Correctness is going to be the death of America.
13 posted on 06/26/2003 6:39:32 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Tancredo Fan
These sham IDs are an insult. 25 years ago Mexico would have been laughed at for trying to pull such a stunt. Would have been denied.
14 posted on 06/26/2003 6:43:01 PM PDT by dennisw (G-d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Tancredo Fan
The Homeland Security Department is voicing some reservations.>>>>>>

Darn, you mean 'somebody' in HSD put down their crayons, plastic, and duct tape and finally decided to 'voice reservations' about these phony ID's ???

Geeez, mexico claims they have issued about a million of these cards, and several other countries are planning to *come here* & I.D. their illegals, it's past time for SOMEONE in DC to speak-up.

Citizens & legal immigrants (in the USA) must be identified by the US gov't.

Why allow MILLIONS of illegals to be identified by *any* corrupt gov't that brings their 'card making kit' to the USA ??

15 posted on 06/26/2003 6:44:26 PM PDT by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: Tancredo Fan; Kuksool; dennisw
What do you want to bet that the unreliability of the Mexican IDs becomes a rationale for Amnesty?

"That way, we can seperate the law-abiding Illegals from the terrorists."


16 posted on 06/26/2003 6:46:29 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Tancredo Fan
IS IT TIME YET?
17 posted on 06/26/2003 7:24:11 PM PDT by Crusader21stCentury
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To: concentric circles
That's the old design, the new ones look a bit more like this:

Yup, I designed this fake & it got all kinds of press

They really do now look a lot more like my fake above, but they are pretty easy to get with almost no real proof or documentation of any kind. All the security features in the world don't mean a thing when the gates to access the ID are wide open.

18 posted on 06/26/2003 7:26:45 PM PDT by Fixit (Double Your Dubya, Reelect George W. Bush)
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To: Crusader21stCentury
Time to light 'em up, you mean? Here's a start.....

The showdown is a-coming, I suspect. And soon, too.

19 posted on 06/26/2003 7:28:33 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan (Stop the invasion. Put the military on the borders, round up illegals, and tell Fox to shove off.)
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To: Tancredo Fan


A simple three step process:

1. Close the borders NOW, using troops or National Guard as necessary.
2. Enforce ALL INS laws and regulations.
3. Deport ALL criminal aliens ASAP.

Oh, and quit calling them illegal aliens. They are in this country without permission. They are CRIMINAL aliens.

IMHO, this is one of the biggest problems this country has right now.

20 posted on 06/26/2003 8:03:11 PM PDT by upchuck (Contribute to "Republicans for Al Sharpton for President in 2004." Dial 1-800-SLAPTHADONKEY :)
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To: concentric circles
And an ID issued by the mexican government means exactly what?
21 posted on 06/26/2003 8:50:47 PM PDT by henderson field
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To: Sabertooth
"McCraw could not be reached for further comment, as he is on leave pending a sensitivity audit and retraining."

And don't forget the electrodes which shall be attached to his anal glands...

22 posted on 06/26/2003 9:36:01 PM PDT by F16Fighter (What color pants-suit did Hitlery wear today?)
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To: Tancredo Fan
If the price was right, the Mexican government would sell the names and addresses of all those it sold these cards to, then the FBI would have a very good idea of who all was using these cards.
23 posted on 06/26/2003 9:53:17 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Sabertooth
I'll take your bet.

When Bush and Fox have their reunion in November, I think we, the American people, are going to have the biggest guilt trip placed on our minds, hearts and souls about all the Mexicans dying crossing the border. Expect amnesty then.

Notice the airline statement was in the bottom of the article. If I remember correctly, 9/11 was about airplanes. So why did we give billions of dollars for airport security and homeland defense if we are going to let the Mexican consulate decide who flies?

24 posted on 06/26/2003 9:55:43 PM PDT by texastoo
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To: liberalnot
i'd rather see them use american drivers' licenses.

No ---if a state wants to recognize their Mexican driver's license that would be one thing ---but all you need to cross over the border to prove your citizenship is a US drivers license ---that makes border crossing by anyone for any purpose far too easy.

Actually they do that here ---an illegal can show their Mexican drivers license and won't be cited for driving without a license. Same goes for US citizens, we don't need to obtain Mexican drivers licenses when driving in Mexico, we can use our American ones.

25 posted on 06/26/2003 9:57:06 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Sabertooth
Yeah, I guess he hasn't heard that in this country we honor "diversity".
26 posted on 06/26/2003 9:57:19 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: henderson field
And an ID issued by the mexican government means exactly what?

The Mexican government doesn't use the matricula card for identification, it uses the IFE card ----I don't really see the full reason they are issuing a special card for the purposes of living in the US. If a bank wants to accept real Mexican identification cards, why wouldn't they just use what is used by them in their own country? A Mexican in Mexico does not present a matricula card at all to open a bank account there, it seems like our banks could just accept the same types of ID if they're so eager to allow these accounts.

27 posted on 06/26/2003 10:01:25 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Tancredo Fan
Go Bush Go
28 posted on 06/26/2003 10:13:45 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: FITZ
Good points Fitz.
29 posted on 06/26/2003 10:27:12 PM PDT by texastoo
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To: Tancredo Fan
"We are a very homogeneous country," said Edgardo Flores Rivas, consul general in Washington. "It would be very difficult for someone to trick us."

Translated: "Mexico is a very racist country. We don't believe in diversity or multi-culturalism. If you're not brown-skinned, you're not welcome here, unless you're a gringo with money. Then you may come to Mexico for just a few days so you can spend your money, and then you must go home!"

30 posted on 06/26/2003 10:50:58 PM PDT by judgeandjury (The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.)
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To: Fixit; concentric circles; Tancredo Fan; Sabertooth
Stop pussyfooting around with the American Language -- leave that to the libburrulls.

The invaders and colonizers ACTIONS are "illegal."

The INVADERS and COLONIZERS are CRIMINALS.

And the correct term is therefore: CRIMINAL ALIEN!

And/or: FELONIOUS ALIEN!
31 posted on 06/27/2003 12:45:58 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Tancredo Fan
Today is a strange day, I'm agreeing with the FBI and Charles Schumer!

Man, next thing we'll hear Ramsey Clark embracing market economics.
32 posted on 06/27/2003 12:48:20 AM PDT by Skywalk
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To: FITZ
The Mexican government doesn't use the matricula card for identification, it uses the IFE card ----I don't really see the full reason they are issuing a special card for the purposes of living in the US. If a bank wants to accept real Mexican identification cards, why wouldn't they just use what is used by them in their own country? A Mexican in Mexico does not present a matricula card at all to open a bank account there, it seems like our banks could just accept the same types of ID if they're so eager to allow these accounts.

That raises an interesting question: Can a Mexican holding a matricula open an account with a Mexican bank. My guess would be no, because the physical address on the document is the illegal's US address.

33 posted on 06/27/2003 4:55:41 PM PDT by Pa' fuera
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To: judgeandjury
said Edgardo Flores Rivas, consul general in Washington. "It would be very difficult for someone to trick us."

in other words, "we wrote the book on corruption, so there's no trick you can come up with that we haven't seen before". I can't disagree with that.

34 posted on 06/27/2003 5:00:10 PM PDT by Pa' fuera
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To: Tancredo Fan
Is it time yet?
35 posted on 06/27/2003 7:18:58 PM PDT by Crusader21stCentury
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To: Tancredo Fan
"Now will the feds get off their butts and ban these bogus things nationwide?"

Not a chance. Our nation is about to meet 4,000,000 Jose Lopez's and 4,000,000 Rosanne Rossana Danas. Welcome to the dreamworld Marx never thought he would see.
36 posted on 06/27/2003 8:36:49 PM PDT by Beck_isright (If Dennis Kucinich ran for President would anyone know it?)
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To: FITZ
i was in tj today at my dentist. i thought about your remarks.

when we go to mexico we immediately buy auto insurance. do illegals buy american auto insurance to drive on american roads?

37 posted on 06/27/2003 9:20:49 PM PDT by liberalnot (democrats fear democracy. /s)
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To: liberalnot
when we go to mexico we immediately buy auto insurance. do illegals buy american auto insurance to drive on american roads?

You can buy insurance that is valid in the US in the Mexican border towns, and I think Mexicans can buy US insurance from some US agencies if they meet certain requirements. There is no requirement for them to actually do this, however. No one checks at the border.

Also, there is a California state law mandating that cars crossing into California from Baja had to be in compliance with emission standards, but it has never been enforced. It is too much of an impediment to the free flow of people and goods that California and the feds are aiming for.

38 posted on 06/27/2003 9:42:50 PM PDT by Pa' fuera
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To: Pa' fuera
but do illegals residing in the states buy american insurance?

for example, an illegal living in north carolina and working in the chicken industry probably isn't buying insurance on the border because he came to america without a car. he earned the money for the car later.
39 posted on 06/27/2003 9:56:01 PM PDT by liberalnot (democrats fear democracy. /s)
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To: FITZ
you never did answer my question--do illegals buy insurance in the united states?

i think not.

i would argue that taxpayers and consumers would benefit from illegals being insured and licensed. everyone on the roads should be contributing to those roads and enforcement.

the f.b.i. questions the authenticity of mexican consular cards, saying that they're easily made.


but you prefer to ignore that they're here.

meanwhile, things are changing. again, the american birthrate is low. this suggests to me that neither political party will do anything about illegals.

also, mexico may be entering a period of lower births itself, which might lessen the numbers coming here.
40 posted on 06/28/2003 7:02:35 PM PDT by liberalnot (davis bankrupted california.)
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To: liberalnot
you never did answer my question--do illegals buy insurance in the united states?

I'm sure hardly any do ---but believe it or not I know one that does. Not health insurance though ---just auto insurance. Most of the hit-and-runs around here are accidents caused by an illegal without insurance who doesn't feel like being caught and deported.

41 posted on 06/29/2003 10:37:32 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Pa' fuera
That raises an interesting question: Can a Mexican holding a matricula open an account with a Mexican bank. My guess would be no, because the physical address on the document is the illegal's US address.

I'm not sure Mexico allows any of it's lower class to have bank accounts. The matricula care isn't used at all in Mexico ---they already had an identification system they use ----birth certificates and the IFE card --- sometimes Guatemalans are picked up that way ----they will sometimes purchase a fake birth certificate but if the Mexican police looking for illegals look for the IFE card. The matricula card is useless in Mexico.

42 posted on 06/29/2003 10:41:10 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: liberalnot
when we go to mexico we immediately buy auto insurance. do illegals buy american auto insurance to drive on american roads?

Possibly some with fraudulent papers might ---depending how strict the state they're in is about it but also if you're already using stolen and fraudulent documents, most likely you're going to do the same with insurance ---just use false proofs of insurance you present if stopped.

43 posted on 06/29/2003 10:47:05 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
i would like to see relief for consumers and taxpayers.

i would like to see everyone on the highways paying insurance. the more the merrier. the more insured, the lower our expenses.
44 posted on 06/30/2003 5:39:02 PM PDT by liberalnot (davis bankrupted california.)
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