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Mr and Mrs America, Turn them ALL in
NRA Institute for Legislative Action ^ | 18 June 2003 | Chris Cox

Posted on 06/27/2003 3:10:23 PM PDT by 45Auto

Bill Clinton's ban on semi-automatic firearms--guns that an anti-gun Congress re-defined as "assault weapons" in the 1994 crime bill--will expire Sept. 13, 2004. A drumbeat has begun in the national media to "reauthorize" the ban, and anti-gun legislators are dancing to that familiar beat.

In the House, H.R. 2038 has been introduced by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.). Instead of a "reauthorization" of the Clinton ban, McCarthy wants to ban millions of more guns and begin a backdoor national registration scheme.

Make Your Voice Heard

NRA Members are urged to contact their Senators and Congressman and ask them to oppose any effort to keep alive the Clinton gun ban. The U.S. Capitol switchboard is (202) 225-3121. You can also use the "Write Your Representatives" tool.

All told, H.R. 2038 is a giant step closer to the goal stated by Clinton ban sponsor Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), on CBS' "60 Minutes"-- "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have done it."

"Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in." Those are the only words gun owners should ever need to remember. Never has the anti-gun agenda been stated more succinctly or, for that matter, more honestly.

And now Sen. Feinstein is back trying to keep alive the ban Bill Clinton inflicted on law-abiding Americans. Joined by comrades such as Sens. Chuck Schumer and Ted Kennedy, she has introduced S.1034, the "Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2003." It makes the Clinton gun ban permanent and also bans the importation of large-capacity magazines. Certainly Feinstein's bill is less "ambitious" than McCarthy's and undoubtedly will be portrayed as a "reasonable," and "common-sense" alternative by firearm-phobic editorial writers at the New York Times and Washington Post.

The truth, of course, lies elsewhere and was admitted to recently by, of all people, Chuck Schumer, who confessed to the Los Angeles Times, "We know if we push it too far, we'll have no bill." Translation: "Don't threaten Mr. and Mrs. America too much." And don't remind them that the semi- automatic firearms they own for self-defense, hunting and target shooting function identically to those "assault weapons" you want to ban.

The "assault weapons" debate, as we saw in 1994, is most often ruled by emotion, not by fact, and therefore it was a tailor-made issue for the ethically challenged Clinton Administration and its allies. But the truth cannot be buried forever, not even in Washington, D.C.

"It might be 50 years before the United States gets to where Britain is today. Passing a law like the assault weapon ban is a symbolic--purely symbolic--move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation."

--Charles Krauthammer, Washington Post, April 5, 1996

That's exactly why, in the first election following enactment of the ban, gun owners went to the polls in great numbers and, for the first time in 134 years, unseated the U.S. Speaker of the House.

That's why Bill Clinton told the Cleveland Plain Dealer: "The fight for the assault weapons ban cost 20 members their seats in Congress."

That's why in March 1996, 239 members of the House of Representatives voted across party lines to repeal the Clinton gun ban.

The debate is not really about so-called "assault weapons." It's about banning guns. It's about gun prohibitionists searching for the easiest target of opportunity. They're going after guns that are scary-looking to many folks, claiming, without a shred of credible evidence, that these guns are the "weapons of choice" of criminals. It's a lie. A day after Bill Clinton signed his gun-banning crime bill into law, a Washington Post editorial admitted: "Assault weapons play a part in only a small percentage of crime. The provision is mainly symbolic; its virtue will be if it turns out to be, as hoped, a stepping stone to broader gun control."

"(Some) criminologists relate the decline (in violent crime) to everything from a sudden surge in the efficacy of gun control laws, which is patently absurd, to changes in patterns of drug use. . . . Here's a better explanation: The decline can be explained in part by policy-driven law enforcement efforts that capitalize on community crime-fighting initiatives and take the bad guys off the streets."

--John DiIulio, Wall Street Journal, Sept. 6, 1995

In the words of Josh Sugarmann, leader of the radical Violence Policy Center: "The public's confusion over fully-automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons--anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun--can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons." Machine guns were, of course, effectively banned in 1934.

Jacob Sullum, a senior editor at Reason magazine, captures the issue well: "The 'assault weapon' ban sets a dangerous precedent precisely because the justification for it is so weak. It suggests that you don't need a good reason to limit the right to keep and bear arms, and it invites further restrictions down the road. As far as the gun banners are concerned, that is the whole point."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: banglist; rkba
More on the AW renewal/sunset; or, more of the same crap from the same gun banners.
1 posted on 06/27/2003 3:10:23 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: 45Auto
bullets first baby
2 posted on 06/27/2003 3:14:48 PM PDT by ezoeni
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To: 45Auto; Joe Brower
The truth is coming out, as we all knew.

We must fight this renewal/permanent ban tooth and nail.
3 posted on 06/27/2003 3:14:55 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (huh?)
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To: ezoeni
BLOAT (Buy Lotsa Ammo Today) Bump! (These guys will never quit - I expect them to come after the 'consumables' as well as the hardware as long as they breathe.)
4 posted on 06/27/2003 3:19:01 PM PDT by esopman (NEVER, EVER, FOR ANY REASON, IN ANY FORM...'REGISTER' YOUR GUNS. NEVER!)
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To: esopman
I just shoot 22 at the range these days and stash what ever else I get....really
5 posted on 06/27/2003 3:28:11 PM PDT by ezoeni
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To: 45Auto
"I say the Second Amendment is, in order of importance, the first amendment. It is America's First Freedom, the one right that protects all of the others. Among freedom of speech, of the press, of religion, of assembly, of redress of grievances, it is the first among equals. It alone offers the absolute capacity to live without fear. The right to keep and bear arms is the one right that allows "rights" to exist at all."

Charlton Heston, Former NRA President

6 posted on 06/27/2003 3:50:40 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: MonroeDNA
We must fight this renewal/permanent ban tooth and nail.

Exactly.

7 posted on 06/27/2003 3:52:09 PM PDT by Poohbah (I must be all here, because I'm not all there!)
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To: ezoeni
Sooner or later... They will come to the door:

"You're here to register the guns I bought all those years ago? Gosh. Let's see the list...can't be many. Oh! That many, huh? Well, let me think."

"Yeah, I have this single shot .410...you wanna register it? Sure."

"I'm sorry, the Bushmaster was lost at sea. I really hated to see it go overboard when we were plinking off Sanibel Island. So it goes... No, I gave the Remington 742 to my brother a few years ago. You might wanna check with him. That Smith Model 60? I wish somebody could find it, but I think it fell through the hole in the back of the pickup four years ago...don't know for sure"

"Please feel free to come in and look around. Want a cup of coffee? By the way, who runs the local CFRO (Clinton Firearms Registration Office) anyway? They live up in...don't they? Have a nice day."

("Honey, where is the shovel? I gotta go get my old .308...")
8 posted on 06/27/2003 4:06:09 PM PDT by esopman (When all else, absolutely all else fails, vote from the rooftops.)
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To: esopman
Actually I sold all mine at the gun show for cash in the last 6 months cept for my Ruger 10/22. I need to make mortgage payments right now. I’m unemployed :-( :-)

9 posted on 06/27/2003 4:29:13 PM PDT by ezoeni
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To: 45Auto
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have done it."

That would mean yours, too, Ms Fineswine!

11 posted on 06/27/2003 5:05:40 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: *bang_list; AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; harpseal; Shooter 2.5; ...
After reading this thread, check out GUN FACTS 3.3. Knowledge is power. Read it, study it, pass it along.


12 posted on 06/27/2003 5:10:37 PM PDT by Joe Brower ("The free man cannot be long an ignorant man." -- William McKinley)
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To: Joe Brower

MWLWN LABE!

Molon labe  

(mo-lone lah-veh)

Two little words. With these two words, two concepts were verbalized that have lived for nearly two and a half Millennia. They signify and characterize both the heart of the Warrior, and the indomitable spirit of mankind. From the ancient Greek, they are the reply of the Spartan General-King Leonidas to Xerxes, the Persian Emperor who came with 600,000 of the fiercest fighting troops in the world to conquer and invade little Greece, then the center and birthplace of civilization as we know it. When Xerxes offered to spare the lives of Leonidas, his 300 personal bodyguards and a handful of Thebans and others who volunteered to defend their country, if they would lay down their arms, Leonidas shouted these two words back.

Molon Labe! (mo-lone lah-veh)

They mean, “Come and get them!” They live on today as the most notable quote in military history. And so began the classic example of courage and valor in its dismissal of overwhelming superiority of numbers, wherein the heart and spirit of brave men overcame insuperable odds. Today, there lies a plaque dedicated to these heroes all at the site. It reads: “Go tell the Spartans, travelers passing by, that here, obedient to their laws we lie.”

We have adopted this defiant utterance as a battle cry in our war against oppression because it says so clearly and simply towards those who would take our arms.

It signifies our determination to not strike the first blow, but also to not stand mute and allow our loved ones, and all that we believe in and stand for, to be trampled by men who would deprive us of our God-given – or natural, if you will – rights to suit their own ends.


13 posted on 06/27/2003 5:21:52 PM PDT by glock rocks (shoot fast. shoot straight. shoot safe. practice. carry. molon labe)
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To: TIMLEIBY
The day will come when we will see the third war on American soil.

I have been expecting it for 30 years. The only thing that surprises me, is that it has not happened yet. Actually, I think it would be the 4th. Revolutionary, War of 1812, Civil War, and the next one.

15 posted on 06/27/2003 5:26:16 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: 45Auto
Does this mean that Ms. Fineswine will have to turn in her handgun and concealed carry permit? Will Pistol Packin' Perata get to keep his pistol and CCW?
17 posted on 06/27/2003 5:28:34 PM PDT by .38sw
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To: 45Auto
Seen on a tee shirt; "Some people are alive simply because it is illegal to kill them."
18 posted on 06/27/2003 5:32:21 PM PDT by labette
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To: TIMLEIBY
Yes you are right,the 4th it will be.

And it will be. I hope I am wrong, but I really do not see any other alternative. Neither side will back down, unless Islamic terrorism brings us together, but I don't think it will happen. 9/11 seemed to bring us together for a time, but it seems it is back to business as usual. We shall see what happens. I am glad I have a country to move to.

19 posted on 06/27/2003 5:44:14 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: glock rocks
you can have all my guns .......once i empty every stinkin shell into your worthless facist ass.......pap.pap.pap.pap.pap.pap.pap.pap.
20 posted on 06/27/2003 5:46:50 PM PDT by gypsy-joker (praise the lord and pass the ammunition)
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To: labette
I've got that t-shirt, and the one that says, "Doesn't play well with others...it seems "others" have a problem with losing."
21 posted on 06/27/2003 5:54:05 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: gypsy-joker
aye.

MWLWN LABE!

22 posted on 06/27/2003 5:54:39 PM PDT by glock rocks (shoot fast. shoot straight. shoot safe. practice. carry. molon labe)
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To: 45Auto
The public's confusion over fully-automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons--anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun

Im not exactly an expert on firerams, but does a fully auto make a weapon a machine gun? I thought they were just automatic rifles.

I thought machine guns were guns like the m60 and mag-58

23 posted on 06/27/2003 5:55:00 PM PDT by chudogg
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To: chudogg
I thought machine guns were guns like the m60 and mag-58

There's differing ways to define a 'machine gun' in gun terminology, none really official, or particularly consistant. Generally, pistol caliber full auto's are referred to as sub machine guns, rifle caliber dedicated full auto's as machine guns (sometimes light machine guns), select fire (full or semi auto from the same gun) rifle caliber as 'assault rifles', larger than rifle caliber but smaller than cannon are sometimes called heavy machine guns, and at some point (I'm not sure what caliber designation, definitely by 20mm) they become automatic cannon. Legally, anything that fires more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger is a 'machine gun'.

24 posted on 06/27/2003 6:53:26 PM PDT by templar
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To: 45Auto
Never surrender your firearms. Give them the bullets first.
25 posted on 06/27/2003 6:53:34 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: Joe Brower
Thanks for the link man.
26 posted on 06/27/2003 6:54:42 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: esopman
TAIS: Turn Ammo Into Skill.

You're going to need it.
27 posted on 06/27/2003 7:02:19 PM PDT by Noumenon (Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away. -- Philip K. Dick)
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To: gypsy-joker
That's one approach. Another is to hunt down the ones who send the confiscators.
28 posted on 06/27/2003 7:04:25 PM PDT by Noumenon (Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away. -- Philip K. Dick)
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To: templar
Thanks. I get all of my Gun Terminology from Counter-Strike!

They have pistol calibers as submachine guns, but they list the m4, ak47, steyr aug, and colt commando as automatic rifles. The only gun they list as a machine gun is is the m60.

Seeing as i have already wasted way too much of my life playing that stupid game, i think from now on i will go with their terminology.

29 posted on 06/27/2003 7:51:48 PM PDT by chudogg
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To: ezoeni
"I just shoot 22 at the range these days and stash what ever else I get....really"

You don't need to avoid practicing with the real stuff. Just buy all you need of each caliber for the rest of your life (as if they banned it tomorrow) and simply buy to replace what you use.
30 posted on 06/27/2003 8:51:03 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Centurion2000
When it's time to bury your guns, it's time to dig them up.
31 posted on 06/27/2003 8:52:50 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: 45Auto; Joe Brower

Disarm this criminal.

32 posted on 06/27/2003 11:11:46 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: nightdriver
That would mean yours, too, Ms Fineswine!

Hoo boy, do you ever not get it! The Senator has a 'ruling class exemption', of course.

33 posted on 06/28/2003 10:08:09 AM PDT by Grut
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To: Noumenon
TAIS. I like that.

L

34 posted on 06/28/2003 10:11:29 AM PDT by Lurker (A 'moderate' Arab is one who carries a grudge for less than 8 generations.)
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To: 45Auto

"Mr. America"

35 posted on 06/28/2003 10:14:43 AM PDT by flair2000
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To: Lurker
That's all that counts in the end.
36 posted on 06/28/2003 6:57:39 PM PDT by Noumenon (Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away. -- Philip K. Dick)
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