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Maine: Groups rally AGAINST smoking ban
boston.com ^ | 6-28-03

Posted on 06/28/2003 6:53:43 AM PDT by SheLion

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:10:13 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

AUBURN, Maine (AP) A former state representative and candidate for governor is joining with a number of bar owners in an effort to overturn a new law that would ban smoking in bars and pool halls.

John Michael of Auburn has notified the Secretary of State's office of his intent to launch a ''people's veto,'' an attempt to get voters to overturn the law in a referendum.


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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: antismokers; bans; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
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Sorry I haven't been around lately. Summer time and all. Hope everyone is doing well.

Finally, people are starting to stand up for their personal freedoms and rights. I understand that Denver shot down the smoking ban as well. This is a wonderful stand for personal freedoms!

1 posted on 06/28/2003 6:53:44 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; Madame Dufarge; ...

2 posted on 06/28/2003 6:54:46 AM PDT by SheLion
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These are the same "do gooder" types that brought around prohibition. They were even idiotic enough to make it a constitutional amendment.

This is nothing more than "legal prohibition". Now some of these Do-Gooders also promote abortion, I'm sure. You figure it out!!

3 posted on 06/28/2003 7:02:28 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: SheLion
It's good to see this happening.

The opposition to the smoking ban in Delaware is also gaining much momentum, including at least one bar owner who is planning to run for office next year.
4 posted on 06/28/2003 7:03:01 AM PDT by Gabz (anti-smokers = personification of everything wrong in this country)
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To: SheLion
I wish you success in your defense of individual property rights.

In NY, the state is reacting to bar owners fighting the smoking ban by issuing public service announcements about how GOOD the ban will be for you. The announcements are LADEN with numbers which they claim are statistics...though none of them are based in any scientific study. As with all leftists, they feel that an Orwellian misinformation campaign to the public will make the masses settle down and allow the state to "care for them". After all, it's for "the children". The worst part is that in NY, it just might work.

5 posted on 06/28/2003 7:21:12 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: SheLion
John Michael was the only honest candidate for governor, was quite outspoken and therefore branded a nutjob.

I like the guy.

I'd much rather have these laws overturned on legal and constitutional grounds, because whether the referendum passes or fails, it is still other people passing on what a property owner can or cannot do on his/her property.

6 posted on 06/28/2003 7:26:38 AM PDT by metesky (Let us go among them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, "The Searchers")
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To: SheLion
Hi SheLion. I see you're in Limestone. I'm going to be in your neck of the woods in August for the Phish festival. I went in '98 and was very impresses with how nice all of the locals were.
7 posted on 06/28/2003 7:26:57 AM PDT by jmc813 (If you're interested in joining a FR list to discuss Big Brother 4 on CBS, please FReepmail me)
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To: SheLion
Good Morning She!

Good to hear from you again!

8 posted on 06/28/2003 7:30:29 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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To: SheLion
"''I just don't understand why certain types of people decide their morality needs to be pushed on everyone else in the world. We have enough government intervention in this country,''"

I don't understand it either. What's even more puzzling is that many of these types would encourage the legalization of marijuana and other drugs.

I think that we need to let private businesses police themselves and if others don't like what goes on at that business, then go elsewhere.

9 posted on 06/28/2003 7:31:59 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: Gabz
The opposition to the smoking ban in Delaware is also gaining much momentum, including at least one bar owner who is planning to run for office next year.

People are fed up, Gabz! We used to look upon our lawmakers as "little gods," but now we all see that they are no better then the rest of us. They just ran for office. We could have done the same thing.

But they sit "on the hill" and hand down bills and laws to govern our lives, and with each bill and law, a little more of our personal freedoms are being taken away. I am sick of it. And I see that a LOT of people are SICK OF IT.

HEY GUV DAVIS.......FIND A NEW JOB YET?

10 posted on 06/28/2003 7:40:49 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: cake_crumb
The worst part is that in NY, it just might work.

New York is so damn liberal. Have you been listening to Ann Coulter and her new book? She tells it like it is when it comes to libs.

11 posted on 06/28/2003 7:42:06 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: metesky
it is still other people passing on what a property owner can or cannot do on his/her property.

Have you heard of ONE Maine lawmaker that helped invest in anyone's business? I sure haven't. Pity that the lawmakers think they have a legal right to RUN the businesses, eh?

12 posted on 06/28/2003 7:43:37 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: jmc813
Hi SheLion. I see you're in Limestone. I'm going to be in your neck of the woods in August for the Phish festival. I went in '98 and was very impresses with how nice all of the locals were.

Oh! No kidding! Well, the base is a 4 minute drive from me on a good day, that's how close I am. But I am off of the beaten path, so I don't see the parade of vehicles going to the concert.

The concert is great for Aroostook economy, however, the vendors around here are rather hurt, because Phish is bringing their own food vendors. I guess they found out how much money was to be made, and they want to get in on the action.

I just hope that our vendors make out well. That's the name of the game: pump money into our hurting economy.

Hope you have a super time and be safe!

13 posted on 06/28/2003 7:46:39 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
I caught her interview with Hannity the other day. She was GREAT. He had to hold her segment over for 15 minutes because so many calls were coming in for her. And yes, she has the leftists pegged. NY has really gone to the dogs 9my apologies to the dogs) and Pataki has turned into a Grey Davis mini-me. Sickening.
14 posted on 06/28/2003 7:46:59 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: GrandMoM
Good to hear from you again!

Thank you! And likewise!!!

Summer time and all of that. I hope to be back here in full force come fall. I really miss all my online friends.

15 posted on 06/28/2003 7:47:44 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
WHAT ABOUT CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
16 posted on 06/28/2003 7:51:45 AM PDT by THE POLELOCK
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To: davisfh
I think that we need to let private businesses police themselves and if others don't like what goes on at that business, then go elsewhere.

I was watching Hannity and Combs last night, and Fox hired on as a commentator, Dennis Miller, the comedian? Well, he is irate over the treatment the smokers are getting from the Government. He said that he wants to help smokers live longer because if it wasn't for the smokers, there wouldn't be any money for all those programs!

17 posted on 06/28/2003 8:04:37 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: cake_crumb
I used to love Pataki. But your right! He has really shown his true colors over the past 6 months. Right now, I can't stand him, either. They think they should be able to do and say whatever they want, and we the "little people" should bow down. Well, he too can kiss my arse!
18 posted on 06/28/2003 8:06:16 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
"He said that he wants to help smokers live longer because if it wasn't for the smokers, there wouldn't be any money for all those programs!"

Wow, he really nailed it there. After they lose the taxes from cigarettes, the "fat tax" will be in effect...and after they lose the income from the "fat tax", they'll tax caffeine or something like that....and on and on until the US will be like Germany and none of us can afford to live here anymore.

19 posted on 06/28/2003 8:07:22 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: THE POLELOCK
WHAT ABOUT CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE

I keep saying if smoking is so bad for us, ban the damn stuff and be done with it. But......that would really throw us into a Civil War. I can't imagine me or any one who loves to smoke not being able to buy tobacco products. Can you? hehe!

ANNIE GET YOUR GUN. LOL!

20 posted on 06/28/2003 8:07:47 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
"Well, he too can kiss my arse!"

My sentiments exactly!

21 posted on 06/28/2003 8:08:35 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cake_crumb
and on and on until the US will be like Germany and none of us can afford to live here anymore.


22 posted on 06/28/2003 8:10:06 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: THE POLELOCK
Civil disobedience is the only way!!!!

The costs of trying to enforce the non-smoking laws would become prohibitive!!!
23 posted on 06/28/2003 8:14:34 AM PDT by Mears (.)
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To: SheLion
Smokers make up about 30% of the USA population and we're being banned? Blacks make up 13% of the population and we give 'em everything they want! What's wrong with this scenario?

BTW, Maine's economy is horrible. If this goes through, a lot of restaurant and tavern owners, etc. WILL go bust and things will just get worse.

24 posted on 06/28/2003 8:19:24 AM PDT by Cobra64
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To: SheLion
''I just don't understand why certain types of people decide their morality needs to be pushed on everyone else in the world. We have enough government intervention in this country,'' Michael said.

Good for John Michael - I loved him in the gubernatorial debates, an iconoclast with a real sense of humor.

But I hope he pursues this from a property rights angle, since the libs have succeeded in redefining busybody-ism as morality and they have the media on their side.

Gee, I wonder if the Maine "Peoples" Alliance will come down in favor of this effort. Yeah, right.

One of them came to my door a few weeks ago, clipboard and chirpy little demeanor in hand for who knows what.

"Hi, I'm from the Maine People's Al-"

"Commies 'R Us? No thanks."

SLAM!

I had a warm glow for days.

So good to see you, SheLion!

25 posted on 06/28/2003 8:41:53 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: SheLion
It's indeed good news, hoping to see more of it, hadn't heard about Delaware changing it's tune.
26 posted on 06/28/2003 8:45:34 AM PDT by Great Dane
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To: cake_crumb
I expected New York to be the last place on earth where that kind of propaganda would work....... SIGH.
27 posted on 06/28/2003 8:51:59 AM PDT by Great Dane
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To: SheLion
I can't imagine me or any one who loves to smoke not being able to buy tobacco products

OMG, I'd be up in arms. Who am I kidding, I'm up in arms
now as Florida's smoking ban goes into effect on July 1.

28 posted on 06/28/2003 8:55:47 AM PDT by thasea
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To: davisfh
What's even more puzzling is that many of these types would encourage the legalization of marijuana and other drugs.

Actually it's not, The reason why is because they are liberal-socialist-communist who hate corporations and the corporations of the tobacco industry are(partially through their own actions or more precisely inactions) an easy target.

Notice they are not exactly for the legalization of Marijuana or other drugs but instead they are for the decrimminalization of drugs. There is a big difference between the two.

If drugs were legalized and they were distributed by corporations like Philip Morris they would quickly change their toon, Well unless the corporation doing the distributing was Ben & Jerrys or Time Warner.

29 posted on 06/28/2003 9:07:13 AM PDT by qam1
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To: SheLion
"We the Sheeple"

...must never smoke and never say "In God We Trust"

The New Democrats have set themselves up as the American hizbah : the morality police used by the Taliban.

30 posted on 06/28/2003 9:37:35 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Cobra64
"BTW, Maine's economy is horrible."

Yeah, but all those Somalis on welfare are happy as clams.

31 posted on 06/28/2003 9:39:25 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Great Dane
"I expected New York to be the last place on earth where that kind of propaganda would work....... SIGH."

Maybe it won't in the end, but then...how many times was Al D'Amato elected?

32 posted on 06/28/2003 9:41:54 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Cobra64
BTW, Maine's economy is horrible. If this goes through, a lot of restaurant and tavern owners, etc. WILL go bust and things will just get worse.

Oh yes! One of my very favorite places to eat were forced into going smoke free in 1999. We didn't go back, because we felt why should we spend our money at places that do not accomodate us....

They almost closed their doors when a year later, the owner invested in a very expensive liquor license. They were able to open up the smoking section again.

It has since changed owners, all new renovation with a beautiful glass enclosed non-smoking room, and in the bar/restaurant area, huge smoke eaters are on the ceiling. You have to look to see if anyone is smoking, because the smoke eaters are wonderful.

The new owner said if they make him go smoke free, he will have to shut his doors. I believe that over 70% of his customers are smokers, because I hardly ever see anyone using the non-smoking room.

And if they make him go smoke free, will Augusta reimburse him for the 4 huge smoke eaters and for the money he spent to make a beautiful glass enclosed non-smoking room? I think not. There is no justice.

33 posted on 06/28/2003 10:32:15 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Madame Dufarge
So good to see you, SheLion!

Great seeing you, too, Madame Dufarge. I have been out on the riding mower cutting the grass. It has been way too hot, but it cooled down enough now, that I can get out there and do my work. :)

Remember that 17 million that was found to be missing from the Maine budget..........did they ever find it? Someone said he thinks the old Guv King used it to buy his spify new motor home. LOL!

What with our economy, and all that money missing, sounds to me like there is some stinkers at work in Augusta. And they try to put a red mark on smokers to hide their OWN in inaccuracies.

34 posted on 06/28/2003 10:38:22 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Great Dane
It's indeed good news, hoping to see more of it, hadn't heard about Delaware changing it's tune.

Hey Great Dane! Good seeing you, too!

I just heard that the smoking ban was shot down in Denver. That's a great win for personal freedoms out there. I hope it spreads all over the US.

GUV DAVIS.......FIND A NEW JOB YET?


35 posted on 06/28/2003 10:40:43 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Great Dane
I expected New York to be the last place on earth where that kind of propaganda would work....... SIGH.

On one of the talk shows last week, one man said you could play football in the NY City bars now, they are that empty. Good old BloomingIdiot is screwing New York like so many of the lawmakers today.

36 posted on 06/28/2003 10:42:13 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: thasea
OMG, I'd be up in arms. Who am I kidding, I'm up in arms now as Florida's smoking ban goes into effect on July 1.

Well, Florida is also known as Denture Heaven. All the old folks end up there. And I no longer support the AARP, because they, too, have turned on the smokers. They are probably working with the anti's in Florida to get that law passed. :(

37 posted on 06/28/2003 10:43:53 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: cake_crumb
The New Democrats have set themselves up as the American hizbah : the morality police used by the Taliban.

Exactly. I believe that we have the underbelly in America, and the ones living down there are working hard to really slam it to the true Americans.

Have you noticed how everything we were brought up to believe is right, is now wrong? And what we were brought up to believe was wrong, is now right? Well, you can't teach an old dog new tricks and I still have my own beliefs that I grew up with.

38 posted on 06/28/2003 10:46:41 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: cake_crumb
Yeah, but all those Somalis on welfare are happy as clams.

Yea, that's another pimple on the azz of Maine. The newspeople sure shut up about putting them in print lately. I guess they were getting too many truths that they didn't like to hear. Ah..ain't life grand for those on welfare? A chicken on every plate and two brand new pick up trucks in the "door yard."

39 posted on 06/28/2003 10:48:21 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Remember that 17 million that was found to be missing from the Maine budget.

But it doesn't matter - after all, it was for "the children."

40 posted on 06/28/2003 10:53:45 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: SheLion
"Have you noticed how everything we were brought up to believe is right, is now wrong? And what we were brought up to believe was wrong, is now right? Well, you can't teach an old dog new tricks and I still have my own beliefs that I grew up with."

Yep, and like you I'm sick and tired of it. Let's never forget the lesson we learned in 2000 people: we ARE the majority, and a tiny portion of the population weilds a disproportionate amount of power over us. They constantly gray out all morality until no one knows what to believe in anymore....and then they pounce on the resulting weakness and indecision. At least we still have the internet (for now) with which we can exchange ideas and discover we aren't a small minority at all.

41 posted on 06/28/2003 10:55:48 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: SheLion
"I guess they were getting too many truths that they didn't like to hear. Ah..ain't life grand for those on welfare? A chicken on every plate and two brand new pick up trucks in the 'door yard.' "

Gee, you mean the Somali threat of violence didn't being enough empathy from the evil, callous Americans??

You have to wonder if anyone in the Main legislature has considered what's going to happen to their wonderful population of welfare Somalis when there is no one left in Maine to pay taxes. Every bit of hizbah legislation passed which puts employers out of business bring this closer to fact...throughout the entire country.

42 posted on 06/28/2003 11:02:26 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: SheLion
bttt
43 posted on 06/28/2003 11:16:11 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: Madame Dufarge
But it doesn't matter - after all, it was for "the children."

That's right!


44 posted on 06/28/2003 11:41:33 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: qam1
You're probably right about this. Thanks for a good
analysis.
45 posted on 06/28/2003 11:41:45 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: cake_crumb
At least we still have the internet (for now) with which we can exchange ideas and discover we aren't a small minority at all.

Thank God for the internet! But the lawmakers are working their butts off trying to figure out how they can stop the sale of tobacco products over the net. Well, I say they better start knocking down the porn sites first. What's worse for the children....smoking or porn sites?

Also, the lawmakers want to stop the sale of tobacco products over the Net because we are "cheating" the state out of their high tax revenue. Well, I say they better start cracking down on all the online auction sites first. I buy a lot off of one very popular Auction site, and I never pay taxes. So........the lawmakers better give it up!

Even though AL GORE invented it. LOL

46 posted on 06/28/2003 11:45:06 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: cake_crumb
You have to wonder if anyone in the Main legislature has considered what's going to happen to their wonderful population of welfare Somalis when there is no one left in Maine to pay taxes. Every bit of hizbah legislation passed which puts employers out of business bring this closer to fact...throughout the entire country.

Gee, do you think they would be willing to put those chickens on those plates if all the constituents moved out? hehe!

47 posted on 06/28/2003 11:47:03 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
I was stationed at Brunswick NAS until 2000. Hate to say it, SheLion, but the normally-sensible Mainers (and my wife is a PERFECT example of that great type of person) got royally SUCKERED back a few years when the imported Leftist voters from "away" convinced them that the ban on RESTAURANT smoking was "all they wanted" and would never, never apply to BARS.

This type of "step-by-step" banning is becoming "the weapon of choice" of the ninny-nannys out there. A similar smoking ban has just made it through Florida's zoo of a legislature (mostly on the influence of retired folk from up North), seat-belt laws which were never supposed to be a primary-stop offense are now enforced by roadblocks, of all things, and the issue of firearms rights should serve as an object lesson for the entire country. SUV's? Take a look at all those wonderful modern, late-model musclecars with huge engines Detroit puts out...oh, wait...

We should regard with EXTREME SUSPICION all proposed legislation which:

1. Claims to be "good for us";

2. Uses, in any way, "The Children" as its hook;

3. Promises, From The Bottom Of Its Heart, to NEVER ask for more.

We SHOULD all have had ENOUGH lessons in this.

48 posted on 06/28/2003 12:01:43 PM PDT by Long Cut (Any time now...)
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To: SheLion
On one of the talk shows last week, one man said you could play football in the NY City bars now, they are that empty. Good old BloomingIdiot is screwing New York like so many of the lawmakers today.

And they still have the nerve to say business is better than ever........ LIARS.

49 posted on 06/28/2003 1:19:36 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: SheLion
If you can't ban sodomy then you can't ban smoking or firearms either.Our laws are so contadictory.
50 posted on 06/28/2003 2:20:29 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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