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Acts of God: America's Warning Not to Divide Israel
CBN ^ | June 26, 2003 | Jennifer James

Posted on 06/28/2003 8:49:26 AM PDT by yonif

Since its modern establishment, the state of Israel has been a hotbed of controversy. Jews and Palestinians have long battled over who should rightfully inhabit the land of Israel, a land promised to the Jews 4,000 years ago. In the Bible, the book of Genesis details the covenant God made with the descendants of Abraham.

"On that day, the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, 'to your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river of Euphrates.'" - Genesis 15:18.

For more than a decade, America has led attempts to settle that dispute, each time encouraging Israel to bring its covenant lands to the bargaining table, this time with the "Road Map" peace plan. Bible scholars say that may be a costly decision for the U.S. as America again stands at odds with God's covenant promise.

U.S. Consul General Jeffrey Feltman said, "What we need to do now is implement and focus on how we get the two sides back to a political process and towards the vision of a two-state solution: Israel and Palestine living side by side."

On April 30, 2003, America was positioned as the catalyst to jump-start the so-called "solution" to the Middle East crisis. As U.S.-backed Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas was sworn in, the "Road Map" peace plan was set in motion.

The very next day began the worst month of tornadoes in American history, more than 500 in a single month. Normally, 1,000 tornadoes hit the United States each year, but this year, in just eight days in May, 375 twisters ripped across the heartland of America.

While in Israel, Assistant Secretary of State William Burns told a group of left-wing activists that "common sense" would override the conservative and Christian viewpoints concerning the road map.

May 9th, 2003, President Bush addressed students at the University of South Carolina. Bush called on the Palestinians to embrace the road to peace, and see the flag of Palestine raised over a free nation.

Hours later, tornadoes returned and Oklahoma City again became the bulls-eye for deadly twisters, reducing what was left of businesses and homes to splinters and bricks. The tornadoes of May devastated the Midwest with the third worst property damage in American history. Since then, the Road Map has endured a rocky road to June, coinciding with what may be America's most rain-drenched spring in history.

On the East Coast there have been less than 10 rainless weekends the entire year. And in the West, certain crop-eating pests are having their best year in six decades amid dry conditions.

In the early stages of the Road Map peace process, weather catastrophe and recent violence in Israel have competed for the headlines. That violence coupled with America's own battles at home are leading some to question the Road Map. Is there a connection between dividing the Holy Land and utter disruption? Some Bible scholars think so.

In the book of Joel, God warns against dividing the land of Israel. Joel 3:1-2 says, "...I will enter into judgment with them there on behalf of my people and my inheritance, Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations; and they have divided up my land."

Bill Koenig, author of Israel: The Blessing or the Curse, said, "We know for a fact that God gave this land, through the Abrahamic covenant, He gave the land of Israel to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their descendants, and this land is God's land."

Koenig said the U.S. should not consider such chaos a coincidence. "These are warning signals, these are warning judgements to America that this is My covenant land and it's not to be traded for promises of peace and security. This land is not to be parceled," he said.

In the last 12 years, the U.S. has stepped up its efforts to pressure Israel to give up her covenant lands, several times sharing the spotlight with major storms.

On October 30, 1991, in a meeting scheduled by the first President Bush, Israelis and Palestinians discussed ways to achieve peace in the Middle East. Opening talks focused on trading the lands of Israel for a peace agreement.

That same day, thousands of miles away, a powerful storm was brewing off the coast of Nova Scotia. On October 31st, what would be called "The Perfect Storm" smashed into New England, pummeling the President's Kennebunkport, Maine home with waves 30 feet high. It was a storm so rare that the weather patterns required to create it only happen once every 100 years.

August 23rd, 1992, Middle East peace talks resumed in Washington, D.C. The issue remained surrendering the biblical lands of Judea and Samaria in exchange for peace. Hundreds of miles south, Florida was the target of the worst natural disaster in American history. Hurricane Andrew tore through with an eye more than 30 miles wide and winds up to 178 miles per hour leaving a $32 billion disaster.

Koenig said, "The world leaders have attempted to parcel the covenant land, so as Israel's property and land is at risk, so is the property of the nation that's promoting the peace process. And I might add that the greater the pressure on Israel to give up this property, the greater the repercussions and the greater the following events that take place afterwards."

In the Bible, the prophet Zechariah warned the nations that would come against Jerusalem. "On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves," says Zechariah 12:3.

Koenig said, "We have the nations of the world right now siding with the Arabs and the Muslims that are focused on the covenant land, but we know God is standing with the nation of Israel."

Is America playing a dangerous game? As the Road Map peace process encounters resistance, the Bush administration's determination to see it through has escalated.

Secretary of State Colin Powell said, "We have a plan, we have the commitment of leaders and now we have to execute that plan, keep moving forward and not allow ourselves to be distracted or thrown off point, from the promise that's out there with the Road Map, by this surge of violence. We've got to punch our way through it."

But, up against biblical prophecies, Koenig said America is standing against the very Word of God and should expect major obstacles.

"I believe the Lord will allow these events to happen that disrupt the peace process," he said. "As long as you are going to have a terrorist infrastructure that's allowed to co-exist in the nation Israel, we're going to have a problem."

And with those same terrorist groups opposed to America's brand of peace, the future of the Road Map is dim. Israelis maintain they will be relentless to protect their country while all plans to split up the tiny nation may be curbed.

Koenig said, "God loves the nation of Israel. He still, to this day, loves this nation. He is in hot pursuit of the people of Israel. Through these events, we look at the tragedies and we look at the trials, but God's trying to wake up the world."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cbn; divide; god; idf; israel; land; terrorists
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To: Yehuda
You are, as I said, free to be a bigot if you wish, and I see you are exercising that right. Good for you.
101 posted on 06/30/2003 2:16:12 AM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: MissAmericanPie
You and I will have to respectfully agree to disagree on scruptural interpretation.
102 posted on 06/30/2003 2:17:35 AM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: Yehuda
Oh gross Belafonte ! Enough said ! Thanks I was just scanning with my remote when it came on...I saw some previews that were very anti-American...Thanks for looking out for me...I sure need it ...(grin)
103 posted on 06/30/2003 7:56:36 AM PDT by OREALLY
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To: MississippiMan
"I didn't know he taught Sunday School. For how long?"

My understanding is that after he sobered up, he taught Sunday school. It was for a "few" years. In other words the article I read on how long was vague. BTW, he had a drinking problem. Heck, we all have out shortcomings ... atleast he overcame that one.

104 posted on 06/30/2003 8:19:41 AM PDT by nmh
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To: MississippiMan
"I didn't know he taught Sunday School. For how long?"

My understanding is that after he sobered up, he taught Sunday school. It was for a "few" years. In other words the article I read on how long was vague. BTW, he had a drinking problem. Heck, we all have out shortcomings ... atleast he overcame that one.

One more thing, he has an undergraduate degree in History so he SHOULD know all about Muslims and their reign of terror. Surely he can't still believe these are peace loving people after knowing their history.

105 posted on 06/30/2003 8:20:51 AM PDT by nmh
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To: Norse
I found this term to be funny "Jewish supremacist". If I am understanding this right, that's a hoot considering how the Jews have been harrassed throughout history. To be a Jewish supremist" is silly when the opposite has been true. Poor soul, doesn't learn from the misdeeds of others in the Old Testament. In fact, He hasn't learned a thing other than to be just like his enemy.
106 posted on 06/30/2003 8:23:54 AM PDT by nmh
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To: yonif
Bump
107 posted on 06/30/2003 8:27:44 AM PDT by carolina_rn7
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To: Dave S
NO comment on the homos Bush appointed? Or WHY he catered to the 1-2% of the population that is homo for these positions? My, my, how we love to gloss over the issue.

"Personally I would trust any ten fairys that Bush might appoint to these low level staffer positions than I would any of the idiots that Chuck Baldwin would recommend."

Going from one extreme to the other doesn't become you or make yo credible.

"I mean can you seriously take the advice of people that see God's face in a thunder cloud or attribute every tornado outbreak to God's vengence over Israel. Next Baldwin wont allow divorced people to serve in Government."

Ridicule of others beliefs also doesn't win you any points or friends. It only highlights how pathetic you are.

"He might even prohibit appointments of Catholics, after all some wingnuts consider them a cult."

Instead of the race card you now seek to divide people ... Hmmmmm taking lessons from Hiltery and her gang i.e. "right wing conspiracy". Or do you buy into that one too? LOL!

"Maybe later Baldwin might eliminate all women because according to the scriptures they must be subject to their husbands and barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. "

The more you squeal the more you display how moronic you are. Here's another one for you - "Maybe" Baldwin would put you to death because you are guilty of adultry. (Assuming a woman would have you ... and like ole bill can't keep his zipper up). You see all these extreme allegations only serve to show your extreme ignorance and inability to debate rationally.

"If homosexuality ever becomes accepted in this country it will not be because George Bush appointed some Log Cabin Republicans to low level positions, but because extremists like Chuck Baldwin make the gays look good by comparison."

Still NO comment on all the homos George appointed? Nah, we want to ignore all that, ridiclue, use extreme analogies and make up extreme situations to mock others on a subject you know nothing about.

BTW, since you chose to remain blind ... George Bush CATERS to the 1-2% of the homo segment. Yet, YOU remain silent on this FACT. What George Bush does is ENABLE the homos in their agenda, Dah, how stipid can one be NOT to see that? Surely, YOU get the prize for such stupidity.

108 posted on 06/30/2003 8:35:34 AM PDT by nmh
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To: Dave S
"Nothing personal but from a curiosity standpoint, why do you peruse gay web sites? Seems odd for a non-queer."

I don't. The ten or so gay appointments by your idol George Bush were not taken from a "gay website". I think paranoia maybe setting in with you. Sure you're not "queer"? You get soooo defensive of Bush elevating gays in positions of authority.

"The only position that you mentioned that has any "Power and authority" was the Canadian Ambassador and the person appointed to that position "

Ah, now we're going to MINIMIZE gay positions appointed by Bush. What a hoot! ALL positons that Bush appoints ARE positions of power and authority. Any ONE of those appointments has more clout, power and authority than you'll EVER have well unless you're gay - then maybe ile George will consider you. You see brilliance has nothing to do with it. It's all about your sexual persuasian and it wouldn't shock me if you're a closet gay.

"Face it, five to ten percent of the population is gay."

Fact is 1-2% of the population is gay. And with all the people to chose form ole George picks folks that can't figure out who they should be sexually attracted to. Heavy duty denial of WHO they are made to be attracted to is a tad scarey. There's no telling what other issues allude them. They are NOT normal nor trustworthy. Sorry, if you're gay, that applies to you as well.

109 posted on 06/30/2003 8:43:00 AM PDT by nmh
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To: nmh
Fact is 1-2% of the population is gay. And with all the people to chose form ole George picks folks that can't figure out who they should be sexually attracted to.

Must make you and your religious bigot friends feel pretty inadequate, huh, that GWB would appoint talented homosexuals over moronic nutcases and Gary Bauer butt kissers.

110 posted on 06/30/2003 9:05:08 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: nmh
ALL positons that Bush appoints ARE positions of power and authority.

I bet they have to sharpen their own pencils and make their own copies.

111 posted on 06/30/2003 9:06:35 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: nmh
NO comment on the homos Bush appointed? Or WHY he catered to the 1-2% of the population that is homo for these positions? My, my, how we love to gloss over the issue.

I didnt think I did scuz for brains. How is appointing a handful of homosexuals to as you put it POSITIONS OF POWER so threatening to you? If they represent 1-2% of the population, I would be surprised if Bush didnt appoint a few. Unlike Clinton, you can be sure he didnt go out and hire them on the basis of their sexual preference.

Going back to this paranoia you have, why is it again that you are so threatened by these few queers. Are you afraid they are going to seduce you, or do you think they will gather together and rape you. You act like another latent homo badmouthing what he secretly desires. Is that you, a latent homo? LOL!!

112 posted on 06/30/2003 9:13:22 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Dave S
Excuse me but didnt Abraham have two sons. The Jews descended from one and the arabs from the other. Doesnt that make the arabs co-heirs?

Not at all. Ishmael was born after the flesh. Isaac was born after the promise. The Father did not promise Ishmael. He came due to Sarai's (Sarah) lack of faith.

Ishmael's progeny is not the heir(s) of anything although the Father blessed him due to Hagar's cry. He was Abram's (Abraham) illegitimate son. Isaac was legitimate, and the promised one (Genesis 16, 17:21).

113 posted on 06/30/2003 9:24:59 AM PDT by rdb3 (Nerve-racking since 0413hrs on XII-XXII-MCMLXXI)
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To: Republic
God wraps all in His lov.

Be careful with that one. See Malachi 1:2,3 & Romans 9:13.

114 posted on 06/30/2003 9:29:39 AM PDT by rdb3 (Nerve-racking since 0413hrs on XII-XXII-MCMLXXI)
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To: nmh
"On Dec. 21, 2001, President Bush signed a historic bill, which "for the first time allows the District of Columbia government to fund a program that will give domestic partners of city employees access to health benefits."

The President of the U.S. signed a bill for a city program? Me thinks your information is incorrect (and not just on this particular point).

As far as the other items listed in your post:

Bush has no control over what kind of rally any gay or lesbian group decides to hold. Apparently it wasn't very big - it sure wasn't mentioned on any news shows or in any papers I read.

I doubt Bush has had any time to even think about reversing policies put in place by Clinton re: gays. Seems he's been a bit busy lately fighting the war on terror and dealing with the economy. This argument doesn't hold any water with me.

As to the appointments you mentioned, I will say again, it does not appear he's appointed any to positions from which they can significantly impact the political/moral landscape.

115 posted on 06/30/2003 10:21:11 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: MississippiMan
"The covenant in which the land was given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob"

Actually, as was pointed out here earlier, it as given to Abraham and his descendents. Ishmael was one of them.

116 posted on 06/30/2003 10:23:11 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: nmh
"Me: These are politically correct excuse and you know it. He appointed atleast TWO homos to postions of authority. COnsdiering that homos make up 1-2% of the ENTIRE population in the U.S., I'd say that is out of line."

So you're talking quotas? I was talking appointing the best person for the job.He's suggesting that this is normal and they are equal in judgement to those who are atleast heterosexuals.

He's suggesting that this is normal and they are equal in judgement to those who are atleast heterosexuals.

So Newt Gingrich should have been tossed out on his ear when he told his wife (while she lay in her hospital bed) that he wanted a divorce? That seems very immoral to me. (I agree with Newt on politics, but this was an utterly distasteful act on his part.)

Me: COrrect - exisiting embryonic stem cells even though he LIED to conservative organizations through letters stating that he WOULD NOT okay this. Besides it is WRONG to do this to begin with. So, he blatently lied and compromised himself on embryonic stem cell research.

Sorry, we disagree on this. I don't see how it could be considered a lie. The concern was the destruction of embryoes to obtain their stem cells. With Bush's decision, that is not permitted.

Fine, don't vote for Bush next time. Who will it be? Dean? Kerry? Or will you simply not vote?

117 posted on 06/30/2003 10:29:50 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: nmh
"You see brilliance has nothing to do with it. It's all about your sexual persuasian."

Using a little hyperbole there, fella? While you may think that all gays should be locked out of ever working, there are some brilliant ones out there.

Perverted, but brilliant.

If we are going to lock out anyone who practices sin from working, then most likely, your very favorite congressperson would have to be done away with.

In fact, I doubt you'd have a job yourself.

118 posted on 06/30/2003 10:33:25 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: MEGoody
The Ishmaelites are a great nation. They are the Arabs. They have 2o+ countries including 3/4 of Palestine.
119 posted on 06/30/2003 10:33:39 AM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: rmlew
"The Ishmaelites are a great nation. They are the Arabs. They have 2o+ countries including 3/4 of Palestine."

Agreed. And if we are talking from a purely political standpoint, I don't think Israel should have to give up a single inch of land.

But when we start talking about 'don't turn on Israel or God is going to get you,' that's a different thing entirely. The Israel of today is a secular state, not a theocracy. Therefore, we can't be sure that God's warning refers to THIS Israel at all.

120 posted on 06/30/2003 10:37:00 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: MEGoody; nmh
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" That is me !

James 2:10 " For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." (Me again!)


121 posted on 06/30/2003 11:19:18 AM PDT by OREALLY
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To: Dave S
Oh, dave ... wrong again on your estimate on gays in the U.S. population. The gay crowd who you apparently defend even admit that the 5-10% figure is wrong. It's just a tad exaggerated. Reference this thread on FR:

Homosexual Groups Admit ‘10%’ Figure Is Wrong

Summary: In fighting to overturn a Texas law against homosexual sodomy, homosexual activists have quietly admitted that their claim that 10% of the population is homosexual is wrong.

In what will go down as one of the most underreported stories of the year, homosexual activists fighting against a sodomy law in Texas have admitted in a legal brief that 10% of the population is not homosexual.

The 10% claim has been used for more than 20 years to push the homosexual agenda—and to recruit public school children into the homosexual deathstyle.

The admission that the 10% figure is wrong appeared in an obscure footnote in a legal brief filed by a coalition of homosexual groups in the Lawrence v. Texas case now before the Supreme Court.

The coalition consisted of 31 groups including: Human Rights Campaign, National Gay & Lesbian Task Force, Parents, Families, & Friends of Lesbians and Gays, The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, and the People for the Way Foundation.

In a footnote on page 16 of this homosexual coalition’s legal brief, they admit that "2.8% percent of the male, and 1.4% of the female, population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual."

Our thanks to the Family Research Council for pointing out this footnote and exposing the fact that homosexuals are finally telling the truth about their numbers. To read FRC’s analysis of this controversy, click here: Family Research Council: CultureFacts: Culture Facts - April 4, 2003

Read TVC’s Homosexual Urban Legend, published last year on this subject: Exposed: The Myth That "10% Are Homosexual".

Link

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/910022/posts?page=2

So dave, wrong on Bush not being in bed with homos, appointing them to positions of power and authority and wrong again on the % of homos in the U.S.. Dave, it's time to get real or if you are a homo get help! Visit Exodus International on the web. They've turned many a wayward homo around to lead the happy heterosexual life they were designed for. Denial of this is ludicrous.

122 posted on 06/30/2003 11:31:26 AM PDT by nmh
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To: OREALLY
"Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" That is me ! "

Care to follow through on the Biblical perspective? ALL have fallen short however as followers of Christ we are to repent and sin no more. Have you seen homosexuals repenting and sinning no more? Or are they reveling in their sin and trying to nomalize it? Hmmmmm? Your best bet is to READ THE BIBLE in its entirety and not pick and chose what you wish to be gospel. When you do this, you misrepresent what is written.

"James 2:10 " For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." (Me again!) "

True but I repeat what is a Christian to do? Repent and sin no more? Hmmmm? Or revel in the sin and enlist others to sin with he/she such as in homosexuality?

123 posted on 06/30/2003 11:35:47 AM PDT by nmh
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To: MEGoody
"Using a little hyperbole there, fella? While you may think that all gays should be locked out of ever working, there are some brilliant ones out there.

"Perverted, but brilliant."

Really? LOL! I know quite a few gays and guess what? Some attempt to think, (not brilliant though), some are stupid, dumb, fat, skinny, feminine, masculine, black, white, asian etc.. So your observation isn't valid and bases its truth on gay propaganda. You've been duped.

"If we are going to lock out anyone who practices sin from working, then most likely, your very favorite congressperson would have to be done away with."

There you go again ... pointing to extremes to give validate your defending of gays. The issue is on gays and Bush appointing gays in positions of power and authority. Topic shift doesn't work with me. Ole George goes out of his way to put these demented souls in these positions. Their judgement is fatelly flawed by their "lifestyle choice".

"In fact, I doubt you'd have a job yourself."

And of course to end you little diatribe we have the personal ad hom. LOL! You couldn't raise me ire no matter how hard you try. Actually I pity you for being so blind.

124 posted on 06/30/2003 11:41:47 AM PDT by nmh
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To: MEGoody
Me: These are politically correct excuse and you know it. He appointed atleast TWO homos to postions of authority. COnsdiering that homos make up 1-2% of the ENTIRE population in the U.S., I'd say that is out of line." So you're talking quotas? I was talking appointing the best person for the job.He's suggesting that this is normal and they are equal in judgement to those who are atleast heterosexuals.

Me:He's suggesting that this is normal and they are equal in judgement to those who are atleast heterosexuals.

You: So Newt Gingrich should have been tossed out on his ear when he told his wife (while she lay in her hospital bed) that he wanted a divorce? That seems very immoral to me. (I agree with Newt on politics, but this was an utterly distasteful act on his part.)

There we go again - topic shift when cornored. I suspect you're having a cyber tantrum and lost track of the topic. The topic is George Bush and his appointing of homos in positions of power and authority. Odd how you can't defend yourself and need to drag in unrelated issues as a distraction. The truth is it's tough to defend the undefendable, isn't it? About Newt, he was divorced BEFORE she became ill with cancer but truth doesn't matter to you.

Embryonic stem cell researh disagreement:

Me: COrrect - exisiting embryonic stem cells even though he LIED to conservative organizations through letters stating that he WOULD NOT okay this. Besides it is WRONG to do this to begin with. So, he blatently lied and compromised himself on embryonic stem cell research.

You: Sorry, we disagree on this. I don't see how it could be considered a lie. The concern was the destruction of embryoes to obtain their stem cells. With Bush's decision, that is not permitted.

Me: Sending out letters to conservative organizations reassuring them that he will NOT approve further research on this is lying. In writing, no less to multiple organizations ... .

You: Fine, don't vote for Bush next time. Who will it be? Dean? Kerry? Or will you simply not vote?

Did you stomp your feet when you wrote the above also? Sounds like you're a tad pissed at what the true pictrue of George Bush is and frustrated beyond words to defend the undefendable. Oh well ... Next comes more evidence of your lack of logic. If I'm disgusted with Bush and his LACK of Biblical conservatism, why in the world would I vote for a party that is out in the open with PRO gay rights, PRO abortion and anti-Biblical stands on any issue you can conjure up? Silly boy. YOU've amused me enough today with your silliness.

125 posted on 06/30/2003 11:51:51 AM PDT by nmh
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To: MEGoody
Bush HAS control over who is appointed to what and the fact is that he insists on appointing gays to positions of authority and power over and above NORMAL heterosexual people who comprise the MAJORITY of the population. Why Bush goes out of his way to chose the abnormal, 1-2% of the gay population so they "feel good" about their stupid perverted lifestyle that is a choice. By doing this he attempts to NORMALIZE what is ABNORMAL - homosexuality. It sure DOES send a moral message out there. Unfortunately you're too worked up to see it and defend the undefendable.
126 posted on 06/30/2003 11:55:31 AM PDT by nmh
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To: nmh; MEGoody
Why are you so angry with me ? I have 'never' mentioned homosexuals on this thread and wasn't even thinking about them ! I was pointing a finger at myself, about judging other christians...I do not know the heart of man only God knows that...
127 posted on 06/30/2003 12:04:45 PM PDT by OREALLY
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To: nmh
So dave, wrong on Bush not being in bed with homos, appointing them to positions of power and authority and wrong again on the % of homos in the U.S..

You are an absolute idiot. I've been using the 1 1/2 % figure since post #112. Even if the percentage is that small its still virtually impossible for Bush not to hire a handful of gays out of ten or twenty thousand he has hired for his administration. Unlike you, I cant imagine George Bush or Dick Cheeney asking someone who they sleep with in a job interview. Appointing Condi Rice doesnt mean that Bush is in bed with strong women or blacks. To care this much about what someone else is doing in their bedroom, you must be a latent queer. What is it, are you afraid that some Bush appointee is goign to seduce you?

128 posted on 06/30/2003 12:18:56 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: nmh
ALL have fallen short however as followers of Christ we are to repent and sin no more. Have you seen homosexuals repenting and sinning no more?

No but then I havent seen you repenting and sinning no more either. For one who is not sinning, you have a very dark heart. Christ's number one commandment, love thy neighbor as thyself, seems to ellude you. Better repent some more.

129 posted on 06/30/2003 12:22:06 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
Yes, I agree. I think Bush needs to really seek God's opinion on this, not Mr. Powell's or any of his other cabinet members. We could be in deep doo if he gets them to divide Jerusalem.
130 posted on 06/30/2003 12:25:01 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Excellent references. Thanks!
131 posted on 06/30/2003 12:26:12 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: yonif
The tornadoes of May devastated the Midwest with the third worst property damage in American history. Since then, the Road Map has endured a rocky road to June, coinciding with what may be America's most rain-drenched spring in history.

Funny, but out West, there's still a drought. One can always find prophecy weather somewhere if one looks around hard enough.

132 posted on 06/30/2003 12:28:09 PM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: MississippiMan
He's also a Methodist and I was one for many years even after being saved. You don't learn anything much in most Methodist Churches about salvation or about the Holy Spirit. Perhaps he needs the baptism of the Holy Spirit to receive the fullness of the Holy Spirit, as his guide and teacher. Many are born again. Not all are filled with the Holy Spirit. I personally believe that makes a great difference in how you live the Christian life.
133 posted on 06/30/2003 12:39:36 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: dirtboy
CBN is not fair and balanced...America is just one nation involved in the peace process...They didn't mention the natural disasters in the other counties involved in the peace process...As usual America gets all the blame !
134 posted on 06/30/2003 12:48:58 PM PDT by OREALLY
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To: MEGoody
Actually, as was pointed out here earlier, it as given to Abraham and his descendents. Ishmael was one of them.

No, it most certainly was NOT given to Ishmael's line, as has also been pointed out quite clearly in this thread. The Bible is crystal clear that the land was given to the Abraham/Isaac/Jacob line, NOT to Ishmael. Read post 54. Sim does an excellent job of summarizing the issue as presented by the Bible.

You're relying on a single verse out of context, in which it says Abraham and his descendants. What's key to understand in that one verse is that it does NOT say it is given to Abraham and ALL his descendants. It simply says "descendants." Then, as you continue to read what else God has to say on the issue, it is brilliantly clear which descendants it was given to.

MM

135 posted on 06/30/2003 1:14:13 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Marysecretary
BTW, where does he attend church in Washington? Tell me it's not that same "church" that the Klintons went to.

MM

136 posted on 06/30/2003 1:14:59 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Marysecretary
When we accept Christ we are filled with his spirit and complete....
I went to a pentacostal church and got to know people who claimed to have been baptised with the holy spirit...
They were some of the worst people I ever knew !
There have also been many pentacostal evangelist on T.V. that have been down right criminals and perverts ...
Just my opinion from my own life experiences as a born-again christian.
I also know many Methodist who truely love the lord, and Catholics, and Lutherans,and Baptists, and well it is a pretty long list...God knows who his children are and they go to many different churches. And they are God's church.
137 posted on 06/30/2003 1:25:20 PM PDT by OREALLY
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To: OREALLY
I know and agree with what you say. But the power to live the Christian life comes from the baptism of the Holy Spirit. When Christ comes to live in our lives, we get a deposit of the Holy Spirit but there is a fullness experience that we need as well. The early Christians received it at Pentecost. You will always find wierdos in every religion but they have to answer to God for their ways. There are, indeed, many born again Christians in all denominations. I was Methodist but found I had to leave. I'm in a good, solid, balanced pentacostal fellowship now and it's truly inspiring and biblically sound. Our pastor watches over his flock carefully and won't allow 'weirdness'. He's cautious, sometimes too cautious, but it serves us well. It doesn't matter in the long run what denomination you belong to. It's what you do with Jesus Christ that matters.
138 posted on 07/01/2003 6:07:49 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: yonif
Two prophetic sources--both of whom I respect--take opposite positions on this.

My own sense is that God is very jealous over Israel and will be very stern with any who undermine her or become fickle friends etc.

I believe we do ourselves hurt to play satan's game with the Palestinians.

I suspect Bush knows this as he has very Spirit-filled advisors close at hand.

There have been hints that we ought not believe at face value all the things going on politically even with regard to the Middle East. That Bush and others are working in unexpected ways underneath the surface news items.

I just hope he doesn't underestimate God's priority vis a vis Israel--and that he is not overly threatened etc. vis a vis the puppet masters.
139 posted on 07/01/2003 9:26:01 AM PDT by Quix (FAIR MINDED & INTERESTED--please watch UFO special Tues eve & share opinions)
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To: Cacophonous
IMHO, any theological position that misses God's clear intent to use BOTH blood Israel and The Church just misses out wholesale on God's heart as well as His intent.
140 posted on 07/01/2003 9:27:22 AM PDT by Quix (FAIR MINDED & INTERESTED--please watch UFO special Tues eve & share opinions)
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To: Cacophonous
The Bible is CLEAR that Blood Israel WILL BECOME Believers in their TRUE MESSIAH.

You seem to indicate such is not likely, is impossible, or of no real special interest to God. I consider such a perspective Biblically ignorant.
141 posted on 07/01/2003 9:28:46 AM PDT by Quix (FAIR MINDED & INTERESTED--please watch UFO special Tues eve & share opinions)
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To: nmh
I have observed that being Blood Israel means tons.

Typically they have given us well over what--75% of the major innovations--scientific and technological over the last 200 years.

When they get into the occult--they are VERY BAD INDEED. When they become Spirit-Filled--they are extremely potent, indeed.

The blessings God gave to Abraham are God's thanks to Abraham for being such a great Friend of God. GOD HIMSELF DECLARED A LIST OF THOSE BLESSINGS WOULD FOLLOW ABRAHAM'S CHILDREN THROUGHOUT THE GENERATIONS. When the descendants wandered away from God, God would discipline them--as HE HAS--ABUNDANTLY. But that God would always draw them back to Himself.

Ignoring such in the Scriptures is silly and/or ignorant.

Missing such about God's nature and heart is tragic.
142 posted on 07/01/2003 9:32:22 AM PDT by Quix (FAIR MINDED & INTERESTED--please watch UFO special Tues eve & share opinions)
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To: Dave S
HELLO GROUP???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE BIBLE IS VERY CLEAR about Isaac being the son of promise.

The followers of the moon god Allah assert that Ishmael is the son of promise. That's simply not true.

There are God declared consequences of being the son of Promise.

God has decreed that HE WILL BLESS Ishmael's offspring as He is the God of the underdog. But they will NOT be given the land of promise ultimately. Egypt will also be blessed after some discipline. You can bet the Arabs will be disciplined for giving Israel such a hard time.

143 posted on 07/01/2003 9:35:16 AM PDT by Quix (FAIR MINDED & INTERESTED--please watch UFO special Tues eve & share opinions)
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To: yonif
YOU ARE WONDERFULLY AND ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

YEA GOD!
144 posted on 07/01/2003 9:36:06 AM PDT by Quix (FAIR MINDED & INTERESTED--please watch UFO special Tues eve & share opinions)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
ABSOLUTELY.

This "replacement theology" garbage is from the pit, IMHO.

It fosters silly arrogance and more importantly misses God's heart, His nature, His habits.

And it certainly misses His clear declarations as listed above in many Scriptures.
145 posted on 07/01/2003 9:37:36 AM PDT by Quix (FAIR MINDED & INTERESTED--please watch UFO special Tues eve & share opinions)
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
Quite so!
146 posted on 07/01/2003 9:38:14 AM PDT by Quix (FAIR MINDED & INTERESTED--please watch UFO special Tues eve & share opinions)
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To: OREALLY
Christian...
147 posted on 07/01/2003 9:39:17 AM PDT by Libertina (FR - roaches check in, but they don't check out....)
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To: Mark17
Your evidently/seemingly arbitrary ascription of the NT presentations to the fulfillment of these Scriptures is a mental gymnastics exercise I'd be embarrassed to allow anyone to know--much less God.

God is rather clear in a host of Scriptures presented above what He will do with Blood Israel.

He's somewhat to moderately clear what He will do with The Church.

It is discernable, visible that He fully intends to use both in His ways for His glory and cause both to be wedded into Himself; into The Church at the end of the ages.

This is hinted at by the 24 thrones--12 for Blood Israel and 12 for the founders of The Church. There's plenty of other evidence for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
148 posted on 07/01/2003 9:41:55 AM PDT by Quix (FAIR MINDED & INTERESTED--please watch UFO special Tues eve & share opinions)
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To: Cicero
Well stated.
149 posted on 07/01/2003 9:42:47 AM PDT by Quix (FAIR MINDED & INTERESTED--please watch UFO special Tues eve & share opinions)
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To: Libertina
Christian...Is that a question ?
150 posted on 07/01/2003 9:48:28 AM PDT by OREALLY
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