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Santorum rips gay sex ruling
The Tribune-Democrat ^ | 6/28/03 | Kirk Swauger

Posted on 06/28/2003 9:37:25 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband

Santorum rips gay sex ruling

By KIRK SWAUGER, THE TRIBUNE-DEMOCRAT June 28, 2003

U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum is sharply criticizing a Supreme Court decision outlawing a Texas anti-sodomy law, saying in a local visit it will open the door to same-sex marriages. Measuring his words carefully after coming under fire for attacking homosexuals two months ago, Santorum, R-Pittsburgh, said the court redefined sexual mores. “We have now laid the framework for rewriting marriage statutes across the country,” Santorum said during a stop in Westmont for the 10th anniversary of a job training and placement program for veterans. He called the ruling unfortunate.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 6-3 on Thursday that gays and lesbians have a right to privacy and dignity in their personal lives, striking down laws that declare sex between gay adults criminal. In concluding that the Constitution prohibits singling out gays on moral grounds, the court voided laws in Texas and 12 other states.

The majority of the court determined the issue was not whether states could ban particular sex acts, but whether laws may treat gays with contempt. The laws “demean the lives of homosexual persons” and are a form of “state-sponsored condemnation,” Justice Anthony M. Kennedy said. But, Santorum said, instead of basing its decision solely on constitutional grounds, the court went a step further by overturning the Texas statute.

“The right to privacy, up until yesterday, was within marriage,” said Santorum, sporting a blue tie with yellow elephants. “They have now changed it to consenting adults. “I think most Americans would find that to be a very broad reading of the Constitution.” Now, Santorum said, “nobody can regulate anything” when it comes to consensual sex. In April, Santorum was lambasted for equating gay relationships with bestiality and with priests molesting teenagers.

In an interview with The Associated Press earlier this month, Santorum said he feared moral repercussions if the Supreme Court struck down Texas’ anti-sodomy law. Making homosexual sex legal, Santorum said, would mean “you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to do anything. Does that undermine the fabric of our society? I would argue yes, it does.

“Whether it’s polygamy, whether it’s adultery, whether it’s sodomy, all of those things are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family,” he added. Santorum said the sexual abuse scandal rocking the Roman Catholic Church was spurred by tolerance of homosexuality among adults. “In areas where you have that as an accepted lifestyle, don’t be surprised that you get more of it.”

The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation is pleased with the Supreme Court’s decision. In a news release on the alliance’s Web site, Executive Director Joan M. Garry said the Supreme Court’s decision marks a turning point in its civil rights movement and a victory for all Americans. “In stating that gay and lesbian people ‘are entitled to respect for their private lives,’ Justice Kennedy’s majority opinion today affirms our dignity and humanity in a way we hope others will follow,” Garry said. “Make no mistake, there is much work ahead of us. And our community must continue to change hearts, minds, and laws as we continue down the road to equality.” The alliance does not have a representative in the Johnstown region.

In April, some Democrats and advocacy groups for gays and lesbians demanded Santorum’s resignation or ouster from his third-ranking post among GOP leadership in the Senate. Santorum was honored yesterday in Westmont for his efforts on behalf of Vietnam Veterans Leadership Program/Veteran Community Initiatives.

n the decade since he sponsored the program, $3.4 million in federal subsidies have helped 2,500 veterans and their families in the Southern Alleghenies region. “They have a population that has some unique needs,” said Santorum, whose parents both worked for more than 40 years for the Veterans Administration. “These are veterans working with veterans.”



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Go Santorum!!!
1 posted on 06/28/2003 9:37:26 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: scripter; RAT Patrol
ping
2 posted on 06/28/2003 9:38:07 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Is this a gay newspaper or a regular daily fishwrap? The way the article is phrased you would assume it is for gays, but the name sounds like a regular paper.
3 posted on 06/28/2003 9:42:02 AM PDT by speedy
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To: speedy
Regular daily newspaper.
4 posted on 06/28/2003 9:44:05 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
I am starting to think that would make a good President.
5 posted on 06/28/2003 9:46:07 AM PDT by Ahban
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To: Ahban
I meant I am starting to think that Rick Santorum would make a good President.
6 posted on 06/28/2003 9:47:02 AM PDT by Ahban
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To: Ahban
Me too! He is great!
7 posted on 06/28/2003 9:47:58 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Phew, talk about slanted!! They don't even try to be subtle, do they? I'm afraid Santorum is going to be target number one of the homosexual lobby. Also, you have the greatest screen name!! I showed it to my wife and asked her why she didn't use names like that, and she hit me over the head with a mid-sized novel. But I think she meant it in a nice way.
8 posted on 06/28/2003 9:51:53 AM PDT by speedy
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
I, frankly, am glad that Santorum is saying what he is. I think Pittsburgh has become a pivotal location for Christianity in America - there are so many big charismatic, evangelical Churches there - some days, I think I should move there, rather than stay in this pothole called No. VA.

And yes, the NJ gay couples used exactly this ruling to file for legalizing their "marriages".
9 posted on 06/28/2003 9:52:45 AM PDT by TruthNtegrity (God bless America, God bless President George W. Bush and God bless our Military!)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Santorum rips gay sex ruling

U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum is sharply criticizing... Measuring his words carefully...

Wow! Santorum must be quite the orator to rip and sharply criticize while measuring his words carefully. That must be it, because the RAT writer would not be doing Incendiary headline...exaggerated characterization...tone it down by the actual quote to avoid libel. Nah.

10 posted on 06/28/2003 9:53:37 AM PDT by Dahoser (I wonder how I can put that Aw Jeez picture in a tagline.)
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To: speedy
Why thank you! I do absolutely adore him! He's still sleeping at the moment (We're in CA). We've been married a year this July 26th :) and have been together since 2000. He's wonderful :)

Say hello to your lovely wife :)
11 posted on 06/28/2003 9:55:52 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Bless Santorum, but the battle has been lost. I have since given up hope for mankind to wake up to the evil amongst us. It's a lost cause. The Bible predicted this when he said the road to destruction would be wide and broad. If you are a believer in Revelations and Armageddon as I am, you know God will remember the people who stood up for his word (who will be in the minority) in the the final battle of good vs evil. It is my only comfort now in this wicked system we are living under now.
13 posted on 06/28/2003 9:56:21 AM PDT by bluebunny
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
to borrow from a WWII line about Churchill:
"In your heart, you know he's right"
14 posted on 06/28/2003 9:56:35 AM PDT by VOA
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
"And Georgia struck down the very same law that the United States Supreme Court upheld in Bowers.." The Georgia Supreme Court noted:

The individual's right to freely exercise his or her liberty is not dependent upon whether the majority believes such exercise to be moral, dishonorable, or wrong. Simply because something is beyond the pale of "majoritarian morality" does not place it beyond the scope of constitutional protection. To allow the moral indignation of a majority (or, even worse, a loud and/or radical minority) to justify criminalizing private consensual conduct would be a strike against freedoms paid for and preserved by our forefathers.

15 posted on 06/28/2003 9:57:24 AM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: TIMLEIBY
True. Man's laws can change all they want. Homosexuals were disgusting back then and will continue to be forever.
16 posted on 06/28/2003 10:04:55 AM PDT by bluebunny
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To: AntiGuv; Blood of Tyrants; buffyt; milan; weegee; TLBSHOW; The Old Hoosier; Jorge; Normal4me
ping
17 posted on 06/28/2003 10:05:00 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: TIMLEIBY
Exactly, except they cry to the government for EVERY SINGLE HANDOUT!
18 posted on 06/28/2003 10:07:06 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Not to get too far off the Santorum subject -- but you two have obviously got this marriage business right!! Bless you. Actually we just passed year 24 -- and it only gets better with time, believe me, especially with an attitude like yours. Thank you so much for posting this -- Santorum deserves a national platform. And when your husband wakes up, tell him he has a fan in Manhattan!!
19 posted on 06/28/2003 10:08:07 AM PDT by speedy
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To: speedy
Thank you again! I certainly will!

24 years! Congratulations!!!!!!!!! :)
20 posted on 06/28/2003 10:10:44 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Rick, you've got my support! Go gettim, boy!
21 posted on 06/28/2003 10:10:54 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: I_Love_My_Husband; sinkspur; .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; ...
“The right to privacy, up until yesterday, was within marriage,” said Santorum, sporting a blue tie with yellow elephants. “They have now changed it to consenting adults. “I think most Americans would find that to be a very broad reading of the Constitution.” Now, Santorum said, “nobody can regulate anything” when it comes to consensual sex. In April, Santorum was lambasted for equating gay relationships with bestiality and with priests molesting teenagers.

In an interview with The Associated Press earlier this month, Santorum said he feared moral repercussions if the Supreme Court struck down Texas’ anti-sodomy law. Making homosexual sex legal, Santorum said, would mean “you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to do anything. Does that undermine the fabric of our society? I would argue yes, it does.

“Whether it’s polygamy, whether it’s adultery, whether it’s sodomy, all of those things are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family,” he added. Santorum said the sexual abuse scandal rocking the Roman Catholic Church was spurred by tolerance of homosexuality among adults. “In areas where you have that as an accepted lifestyle, don’t be surprised that you get more of it.”

The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation is pleased with the Supreme Court’s decision.

Of course they are, but golly gee, what's everyone getting so hysterical about?

"This is ONLY about what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms!"

"Do YOU really think the gov't has a right to be in our bedrooms/lock people up for what they do in their own private home?"

"Its a SILLY law anyways, what difference could it possible make?!?"

" Santorum obviously was wrong/made an ass of himself/mis spoke/shoulda kept his big mouth shut/was imprudent/embarrassed us etc. "

Right?

Right?




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Posted by JohnHuang2
On 06/25/2003 1:53 AM EDT with 6 comments

NEWSLINE FOLKS:

SANTORUM WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!

And those who excoriated him are fools.


22 posted on 06/28/2003 10:11:33 AM PDT by Polycarp (Just like calling others a Nazi, Once you throw out the label "homophobe" you have lost the debate.)
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To: TIMLEIBY
Well, they are definitely overplaying their hand (no perverted interpretation intended) and I think there is a backlash building. Jeez, it's Gay Pride weekend here in New York and you might think the US just won World War II.
23 posted on 06/28/2003 10:14:09 AM PDT by speedy
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To: Polycarp
Poly, fantastic post! Thank you!
24 posted on 06/28/2003 10:15:13 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Santorum stands on principle and truth and true conservatism.

I'd like to see him hold a seminar for RINOs.

25 posted on 06/28/2003 10:16:52 AM PDT by F16Fighter (What color pants-suit did Hitlery wear today?)
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To: speedy
It appears to be a regular newspaper. Apparently in a strong Catholic area.
26 posted on 06/28/2003 10:17:19 AM PDT by gitmo (What's in the Constitution isn't. And vice-versa.)
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To: speedy
Oh it's Gay Pride weekend here too. We live *close* to the parade route. Luckily it's boiling hot (again) outside so we won't venture out today.

Plus they stare like vultures at my hubby (ick! I hate that!). He is gorgeous (luckily for me he doesn't think so, he's very Catholic and religious), but it IS unnerving.
27 posted on 06/28/2003 10:18:17 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
The court only ruled about private acts, not public, government sanctioned marriage.
28 posted on 06/28/2003 10:19:31 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: speedy
it's Gay Pride weekend here in New York and you might think the US just won World War II.

I am near San Francisco, and on TV yesterday, it showed a bunch of digusting people, and they came right out and said, their next objective, is to legalize same sex marriages. It sure did not take long did it?

29 posted on 06/28/2003 10:20:18 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
I say more then go, I would tell him that he should run against HIllary in 2008.

What he said is absolutely true. I was especially impressed with his ability to speak the truth about the problem with the priests. He is a clear thinker to be able to see that because there are many who try to surpress that kind of clear vision.
30 posted on 06/28/2003 10:21:17 AM PDT by rodeo-mamma
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To: F16Fighter
I'd like to see him hold a seminar for RINOs.

I'd like to see him hold a seminar for FREEPERS. They need to learn what conservatism is.

31 posted on 06/28/2003 10:23:15 AM PDT by Polycarp (Just like calling others a Nazi, Once you throw out the label "homophobe" you have lost the debate.)
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To: F16Fighter
I'd like to see him hold a seminar for RINOs.

I'd like to see him hold a seminar for FREEPERS. They need to learn what conservatism is.

32 posted on 06/28/2003 10:23:15 AM PDT by Polycarp (Just like calling others a Nazi, Once you throw out the label "homophobe" you have lost the debate.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 6-3 on Thursday that gays and lesbians have a right to privacy and dignity...

I didn't realize one could simultaneously engage in sodomy AND have "dignity"(?) Seems a bit mutually exclusive to me!

Maybe next week the Supreme Court will preserve the dignity of ex-presidents who are best known for masturbating into the corner sink on company time?

33 posted on 06/28/2003 10:24:15 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: Mark17
It took them like .1 seconds to think of that.

I feel like the homo lobby is unstoppable :(
34 posted on 06/28/2003 10:24:25 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
it will open the door to same-sex marriages.

I think he is correct. What he didn't say was that if the moralists had not tried to regulate private behavior, there would not be a SC decision that will affect the public institution of marriage.

35 posted on 06/28/2003 10:24:56 AM PDT by RJCogburn ("Who knows what's in a man's heart?".....Mattie Ross of near Dardenelle in Yell County)
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To: Polycarp
Conservatism is not necessarily the same as believing that morality should be legislated.
36 posted on 06/28/2003 10:28:14 AM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
The US Supreme Court and the homosexual agenda ignore the social importance of marriage between a man and a woman. Only conventional families and the children they raise insure the long term survival of society.

Sex partners do not equate with heterosexual marriage. Real marriage is a long-term private and social compact of family raising, not just sex. Because of the social benefits, Society has recognized it and granted marriage special status.

Families with children pass on society's good values to their children, defer immediate gratification to store up wealth for their children and stay together for love of the spouse and the protection of their children.

Society benefits by stable families as they, not the state assume the burden of child raising. Society benefits by families' long-term wealth building as there is more wealth for investing in businesses and social infrastructure.

Homosexual and casual sex alliances do not generate wealth building as they live for today, not tomorrow. Children of casual sex do not have two parents to guide and protect them. Most single mothers try hard to raise their children, but only with sacrifice and extra efforts. Look at the wealth statistics for single moms, they don't have the second income source two parent families do.
37 posted on 06/28/2003 10:28:16 AM PDT by RicocheT
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Now, Santorum said, “nobody can regulate anything” when it comes to consensual sex.

Santorum is right. This is going to open the floodgates for all sorts of stuff we've been trying to keep under control, like prostitution and pedophelia.

I fear the judgement of God on our nation.

38 posted on 06/28/2003 10:29:08 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Yes they are unfortunately. Sad world.
39 posted on 06/28/2003 10:32:07 AM PDT by bluebunny
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To: RJCogburn
Yeah, it's all the "moralists'" fault. The AIDS-spreading sodomites had nothing to do with it--innocent, noble, and pure victims that they are.

Weep a libertarian crocodile tear for them on my behalf, ok Cogburn?

It's a gay new world, brought to you by the liberal-libertarian alliance.

40 posted on 06/28/2003 10:33:12 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: lemondropkid56
Maybe O'Connor will step down and Bush could put in someone much more conservative?
41 posted on 06/28/2003 10:33:57 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: lemondropkid56
Bless Santorum, but the battle has been lost. I have since given up hope for mankind to wake up to the evil amongst us. It's a lost cause. The Bible predicted this when he said the road to destruction would be wide and broad. If you are a believer in Revelations and Armageddon as I am, you know God will remember the people who stood up for his word (who will be in the minority) in the the final battle of good vs evil. It is my only comfort now in this wicked system we are living under now.

Amen. Keep looking up.

42 posted on 06/28/2003 10:37:53 AM PDT by Ferret Fawcet (Trust God's authority, not man's majority.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
I feel like the homo lobby is unstoppable :(

I think you are right. We are doing our best however. Don't give up, don't ever give up. I am glad I still have a country to move to, if things really get out of hand.

43 posted on 06/28/2003 10:37:58 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: Mark17
You're right.

I was just sitting here feeling very depressed, but the bad guys aren't going to get me down.

Our side still has HOPE that things will get better. We have Santorum! We have morals on our side!

Good WILL eventually win out (I hope!).
44 posted on 06/28/2003 10:41:00 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: lemondropkid56

This is what Bravo network is premiering next month!!

45 posted on 06/28/2003 10:41:37 AM PDT by StayoutdaBushesWay
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
You'll be waiting a long time, my dear. After seeing what the Bush adminstration has been doing lately in the name of the "inclusive" big tent, I don't think you will get it. I have a suspicion that we are going to get disappointed by ye another Bush.
46 posted on 06/28/2003 10:42:08 AM PDT by bluebunny
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To: nightdriver
Santorum is right. This is going to open the floodgates for all sorts of stuff we've been trying to keep under control, like prostitution and pedophelia.

This is absolutely silly, laughable, and more to the point, wrong. Pedophilia has NOTHING to do with a ruling that addresses private acts between consenting adults. Such extreme statements are the kind that gives the left ammunition when stating that the religious right is trying to impose their religious moral ethic on the nation.

As for prostitution, I have long held that if Roe is to be interpreted as recognizing the right to bodily privacy and control under the 9th ammendment then prostitution must be legalized to apply the decision equitably. Lawrence makes the case even more clearly. Such is the nature of the law of unintended consequences.

However, this is nation of laws not of religions. The constitutional separation of church and state in part guarantees that a dominant religion cannot become a defacto national religion. One of the inherent problems with this is that we fight tooth and nail to keep the government out of our religions, yet we all too often insist that the government answer to our religious ideals. To be effective within a free government the church must recognize and respect the separation as equally as they expect the government to do so. The church must uphold it's end of the 1st Ammendment separation. There will forver be times when the government, in it's obligation to serve ALL citizens equally, must hold the basic moral ethics of judeo-christian theology at arms length.

47 posted on 06/28/2003 10:43:03 AM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: lemondropkid56
ye was supposed to be yet
48 posted on 06/28/2003 10:43:09 AM PDT by bluebunny
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To: Mark17
You may be in the one city where it is more prevalent than here. The openness of the public acts has gotten much more noticeable even over the past few years. Plus it seems like half the plays on and off Broadway involve some homosexual issue (always sympathetic, of course.) I have noticed that in private conversations, heterosexuals -- who after all, even in New York, are still a large majority -- are becoming more open about expressing irritation with the gay agenda. But no question, the loafers are lighter than ever this week in Chelsea and The Village.
49 posted on 06/28/2003 10:49:51 AM PDT by speedy
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To: gcruse
To allow the moral indignation of a majority (or, even worse, a loud and/or radical minority) to justify criminalizing private consensual conduct would be a strike against freedoms paid for and preserved by our forefathers.

And yet, I'd bet that those to whom you were speaking would be among the first to claim they're agaist "big government", excessive regulation, and encroachments on individual liberty.

50 posted on 06/28/2003 10:56:18 AM PDT by nravoter (I've given a name to my pain, and it's "Hillary".)
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