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Gay Pride Events Becoming Family Affairs
Excite News ^ | June 28, 2003 | LISA LEFF (AP)

Posted on 06/28/2003 2:33:12 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - For 10 years, Bryan Nadeu strutted in the Gay Pride parade as part of a marching band, hammering out a beat on a drum while wearing a rainbow-plumed hat. But that was B.F. - Before Fatherhood.

Now, with a 14-month-old toddler in tow, he has other things to worry about while preparing for Sunday's San Francisco parade: Baby backpack or stroller? Will there be diaper-changing stations? And how to retreat if his kid melts at the loud music and crowds?

"It's like I'm figuring out how I can be a father and still be gay," Nadeu said.

With 32 percent of same-sex couples now raising children, according to the 2000 census, organizers of gay pride parades across the nation have had to rethink their notions about a tradition founded on celebrating sexual freedom and challenging the status quo.

In New York City, which also has its Pride parade Sunday, the local Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Community Center is sponsoring a children's entertainment area for the first time. "Family gardens" have sprouted at Pride events in San Diego, Seattle, Columbus, Ohio, and Austin, Texas.

Steven Boulliane and Olivier du Wulf will march with their sons Laurent, 3, and Patrice, 2, in the San Francisco parade, along with about 200 other moms, dads and children from Our Family Coalition, a support group for gay parents.

They asked for a kid-friendly spot in the lineup, hoping to avoid a repeat of last year - when their stroller brigade was awkwardly sandwiched between two groups of leather-bound sadomasochists.

"I don't want my kids to see that, and I don't think either side was too pleased," said Boulliane, 35.

No one knows how many U.S. children have gay, lesbian, transgender or bisexual parents, although the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force estimates 1 million to 9 million.

These parents are making their influence felt beyond once-a-year gay pride events, transforming social dynamics both within and outside the gay community.

John Kirkley, 36, an Episcopal priest in San Francisco, says that after he and his partner adopted a son almost five years ago, straight couples, rather than other gay men, became the foundation of their social network.

"We had a lot more in common with straight parents than single gay or lesbian folks in terms of understanding the joys and challenges of parenting, understanding we can't be as flexible with our schedule," he said. "Some gay and lesbian folks of a certain age had lived in an all-adult world for so long they weren't really comfortable relating to children."

Gay and lesbian parents also have become their community's ambassadors to schools and other public institutions, breaking down stereotypes and biases, said Lisa Bennett, director of the FamilyNet project of the Human Rights Campaign.

"It's the most powerful thing I've seen that is changing public perceptions," said Bennett.

Gay families with children also build momentum for civil rights battles, said Aimee Gelnaw, executive director of the Family Pride Coalition, a Washington, D.C.-based advocacy group. "Everybody can identify with a family, so it's one of the things that everyone, gay or straight, can understand."

But despite Thursday's landmark Supreme Court ruling throwing out state sodomy laws, gay parents still face many legal hurdles. Laws affecting dual guardianship of their children are "dramatically different from state to state, county to county and even judge to judge," according to Bennett.

In Florida, Mississippi and Utah, gays and lesbians are prohibited from adopting. Nine states allow gays and lesbians to adopt the children born to their partners and 18 allow such "second parent adoptions" to be sanctioned at the county level.

Lyn Shimizu still remembers the grilling she got from the California social worker investigating her application to adopt twins with her partner, Silvia Castellanos.

"She really let her opinions be known and you had to listen to them for hours because she had the ability to make this incredibly important decision," Shimizu said. "She asked who was dominant in the relationship ... and she was also against taking your children to the Pride parade because she thought it was politicizing your children."

Boulliane hopes that changes will come in areas beyond just legal issues.

"My hope is that gay and straight will evaporate, to be replaced by the terms 'with children,' and 'without children,' where I just get treated like any other family guy," he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: California; US: Florida; US: Mississippi; US: New York; US: Ohio; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: downourthroats; famlies; gayprideparade; gayprideparades; homosexualagenda; homosexualparents; homosexuals; itsjustsex; kids; masochists; parentalissues; parenthood; parents; raisingkids; sadists; sadomasachism; samesexdisorder; sandm; sexaddicts; sexualdeviance; sexualperversion; sodomy

1 posted on 06/28/2003 2:33:13 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: LurkedLongEnough
How nice, how wonderful. Homos raising children. NAMBLA will be so proud of them.
2 posted on 06/28/2003 2:43:29 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Sick Sick Sick
3 posted on 06/28/2003 2:46:02 PM PDT by gg188
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Their organization estimates 1 - 9 million. That equals roughly 500,000.
4 posted on 06/28/2003 2:50:35 PM PDT by Norse
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To: nwrep
It ain't gonna get no better
5 posted on 06/28/2003 2:51:30 PM PDT by WKB (3!~)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
"It's like I'm figuring out how I can be a father and still be gay," Nadeu said.

** ** * * *

"It's like I'm figuring out how I can be a father and still be a canibal," Nadeu said.

"It's like I'm figuring out how I can be a father and still be a molester," Nadeu said.

"It's like I'm figuring out how I can be a father and still be a rapist," Nadeu said.

"It's like I'm figuring out how I can be a father and still be heroin user," Nadeu said.

"It's like I'm figuring out how I can be a father and still be prostitute," Nadeu said.

"It's like I'm figuring out how I can be a father and still be have adult incest," Nadeu said.

"It's like I'm figuring out how I can be a father and still be driving drunk," Nadeu said.


From what I have seen in real life. The two are EXclusionary. You can not have both.



6 posted on 06/28/2003 2:52:54 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: longtermmemmory
But the USSC says its just about what happens in their bedroom!
7 posted on 06/28/2003 2:58:53 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
"She really let her opinions be known and you had to listen to them for hours because she had the ability to make this incredibly important decision," Shimizu said. "She asked who was dominant in the relationship ... and she was also against taking your children to the Pride parade because she thought it was politicizing your children."

Like adoption for straight parents is a walk in the park and devoid of the conflict of personalities. Yeah, gays are the only ones who have it tough.
Grow up.
8 posted on 06/28/2003 3:01:51 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: thegreatbeast
they now have the "discrimination" card. Homosexual does not get what they want? They scream discrimination. Then it is up to you to prove that you did not know they were homosexuals.

Pehaps a referendum declaring homosexuality a chosen behavior. Win or loose it would elevate the publics ignorance to the fact that homosexual choose to behave in this "lifestyle"
9 posted on 06/28/2003 3:07:30 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Think of the baggage they are putting on these kids. How many universities have undertaken to follow these kids and see how they turn out in society? I won't hold my breath.

10 posted on 06/28/2003 3:15:43 PM PDT by witnesstothefall
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To: WKB
It ain't gonna get no better

Nope. Look to Canada to see what is in store for us.

11 posted on 06/28/2003 3:16:01 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: LurkedLongEnough
I often wondered what this PRIDE in gay pride stood for, I thought it was an acronyn, like the old TV series, "The Man From U.N.C.L.E". How's this for P.R.I.D.E: Prissy Rumpranging Idiots Demanding Equality
12 posted on 06/28/2003 3:18:08 PM PDT by dirtbiker (Nuke 'em all! Let God sort 'em out!)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Gay Pride Events Becoming Family Affairs

Gay incest?

13 posted on 06/28/2003 3:20:13 PM PDT by dead
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To: dirtbiker
Works for me.
14 posted on 06/28/2003 3:46:38 PM PDT by KEVLAR
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To: LurkedLongEnough
"It's like I'm figuring out how I can be a father and still be gay," Nadeu said.

Odd, I was just wondering the same thing. I guess as long as you don't care much about your child, it's not that difficult.

15 posted on 06/28/2003 4:44:11 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: DPB101
Sad but true
16 posted on 06/28/2003 4:50:57 PM PDT by WKB (3!~)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Son: Daddy, what's this parade we're going to?

Dad: Son, Daddy packs fudge and he wants to participate in a parade so he can tell everyone about it!

Son: I thought fudge was something you ate. How do you pack fudge?
17 posted on 06/28/2003 4:53:12 PM PDT by squidly
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To: nwrep
Indeed, how detestable that men who don't act like men and have exchanged the natural way for an abomination, will even have charge of children. Perverted societies do not last long.
18 posted on 06/28/2003 7:48:14 PM PDT by Hila
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To: LurkedLongEnough
I saw this in the fishwrap this morning. I was too disgusted to post it.

Ugh!!!!!!!!
19 posted on 06/28/2003 9:18:48 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
bump
20 posted on 06/28/2003 9:49:24 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Real Family Affairs:


Norway: "Proud Mamma" escorts "liberated son" though the local gay parade


Germany: Uncle Fritz and Uncle Hans share a special moment. Something every child should witness!

21 posted on 06/28/2003 10:13:22 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Celebrate Diversity or Die!)
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To: dagnabbit
And Justice Kennedy was concerned that anti-sodomy laws "demean" men-who-love-men who engage in same-sex perversions--those shy, retiring men who keep their sexual practices oh-so quiet and discrete behind the sacred walls of the home.

What planet does the idiot live on? Certainly not this one.

22 posted on 06/28/2003 10:17:11 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: LurkedLongEnough
They asked for a kid-friendly spot in the lineup, hoping to avoid a repeat of last year - when their stroller brigade was awkwardly sandwiched between two groups of leather-bound sadomasochists.

"I don't want my kids to see that, and I don't think either side was too pleased," said Boulliane, 35.

Now they know how we feel (whether it be at Disneyworld, on tv, or city streets).

Funny how all of this behavior is a private act that occurs in a bedroom. Then why flaunt it out in the streets? Doesn't seem very private to me.

23 posted on 06/29/2003 2:16:44 AM PDT by weegee
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To: LurkedLongEnough
No one knows how many U.S. children have gay, lesbian, transgender or bisexual parents, although the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force estimates 1 million to 9 million.

That would be an estimated 5 million parents with a margin of error of + or - 4 million (or 1.79% of the US population with a margin of error +-1.43%).

24 posted on 06/29/2003 2:22:31 AM PDT by weegee
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To: Kevin Curry
BUMP
26 posted on 06/30/2003 5:07:30 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: LurkedLongEnough
They asked for a kid-friendly spot in the lineup, hoping to avoid a repeat of last year - when their stroller brigade was awkwardly sandwiched between two groups of leather-bound sadomasochists.

Well, this is the problem with gays being parents and participating in the Pride events. Those darn sadomasochists!
27 posted on 06/30/2003 5:14:04 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: LurkedLongEnough
"My hope is that gay and straight will evaporate, to be replaced by the terms 'with children,' and 'without children,' where I just get treated like any other family guy," he said.

They think they should be considered normal simply because that's what they want. However, they are not normal simply by virtue of wanting to be normal. These people are deniers of reality.

28 posted on 06/30/2003 5:15:29 AM PDT by Fraulein
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