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TEEN People Mag: Born with the wrong body - Transgender teens... (MEGA-BARF ALERT)
Teen People Magazine | June / July 2003 | Stephanie Booth

Posted on 06/28/2003 3:50:21 PM PDT by tgslTakoma

Their True Selves

Kade Collins, 18, was a girl who felt like a boy. Samantha Lease, 19, was a boy who felt like a girl. Then each came out as transgender and felt much better
as told to Stephanie Booth

Kade's story:
Growing up in Tucson, I was way more masculine than other girls. As early as four, I wanted my hair cut short like a boy's. When I was five, my mom made me wear a dress on Christmas, and I cried so much that she promised I'd never have to wear another. By age six, I'd only wear boys' clothes. People would scream when I went into a girls' bathroom and think a boy had sneaked in. I was mistaken for a boy a lot, but it didn't bother me. I wanted to be a boy: I dressed like one, and I liked girls.

When I was 11, I told my parents I was a lesbian. They're former hippies and really open-minded, so they were totally supportive. They encouraged me to attend a gay-lesbian support group at the local community center. At meetings I learned a lot, but being the youngest person there, I was too intimidated to ask the one question I really wanted to ask: Did other lesbians want to be boys too? Then one day I noticed the word "transgender" on a flyer at the center. I didn't know what it meant, so I looked it up in a book. I was blown away! Finally, a word that perfectly expressed what I was feeling. For the first time I could picture myself having the life I actually wanted to lead.

I started talking about how I felt with family and closest friends first. Luckily, they were accepting and respected my wishes by referring to me as "he" or "him." But at 13, when I got my period, I had to do something more concrete. I think I'd been in denial about being born into a girl's body, but suddenly it seemed official. And scary. When I became so depressed that I considered killing myself, my parents took me to a psychiatrist. He diagnosed me with gender identity disorder. I found it really insulting that he said I had a "disorder," but you have to get the diagnosis to go ahead with becoming a boy, and we all agreed that's what I would do. My doctor prescribed a synthetic hormone called Lupron to stave off my puberty and, to my huge relief, my breasts regressed and my period stopped. To become even more boyish, I'd have to take testosterone shots. My mom was ready for me to start, but my dad was more cautious. He came around, though, and most of my friends were cool with it too.

When I was a sophomore in high school, I started the testosterone. Before long my vooice started cracking, my muscles felt bulkier and I got facial hair. Then I got an elective mastectomy. During the surgery, doctors removed fat and tissue from my breasts to make them look more masculine. I'm not considering genital surgery, though. The results aren't that great, and right now, I'm happy with the body I have. Before hormones and surgery, I hated my body and didn't want to look at it at all. But after, I was admiring myself in the mirror. Other people started scrutinizing me too. My transition became the hot topic of conversation at school. I didn't mind the questions, but the stares and some of the comments were annoying. Most people lost interest after about a month or so, but a few kids couldn't let it go. At our winter formal, my older sister, Elliott, overheard some kid say, "That boy used to be a girl." Elliott said, "No, that's my brother. He's a boy." Having her stick up for me meant a lot. My transition was hard for her to understand at first, and I felt like this was her way of reassuring me that she loved me, no matter what.

You'd think all this stuff would make dating more difficult, but it's actually gotten easier - maybe because I'm more confident now. Just three months after I began taking the testosterone, I started dating a girl from school, Anna. We kept things quiet at first because she worried what other people would think. But she got over it quickly and was very supportive of me. We dated seriously for more than a year. Since our breakup I've had relationships with other girls, but I wouldn't rule out dating a guy, either. While I'm primarily attracted to girls, I focus more on each individual person and less on his or her gender.

It's kind of funny: When I first started "transitioning," I overcompensated by acting macho. I was trying desperately not to be seen as a girl, and I tried too hard to act like a boy. I was really into skateboarding and playing competitive sports. Now, I'm happy just reading and writing poetry. In a way, I don't identify myself as either male or female anymore. I'm just Kade.

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Samantha's story:
As far back as elementary school, I identified more with girls than with other little boys. I always chose to play house with the girls instead of rough-and-tumble games with the boys. But what I was feeling was more than just wanting to play with girls - I actually wished I was one.

I was brutally teased in school. One time my mom took me over to a bully's house to show his parents the welts I had on my back - a result of his beatings. By the time I was eight, things had gotten so bad that my parents pulled me out of school and taught me at our home in Arlington, Mass. Still, whenever I was around other kids, like at my community theater group, someone always goofed on me for being different and said I was gay. But I knew I wasn't gay: I actually had huge crushes on girls.

Puberty threw me into an enormous depression. Becoming more masculine felt so wrong. Sometimes I'd secretly pray to God to make me into a girl. Other times I'd worry that I was a bad person because I couldn't just turn off those thoughts. It wasn't until I was 17 that I learned that there was an explanation for what I was going through: I was "transgender" and didn't identify with the sex I'd been born with. Although it was good to realize there were other people who had these feelings too, it didn't really solve anything.

Finally, when I enrolled at a small college in Iowa last year, I became involved with the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender (GLBT) community. It gave me both a better understanding of what being transgender was all about and the courage to tell my parents. They hadn't ever been alarmed by my femininity, but when I called them to tell them that I wanted to become a girl, they were more supportive than I'd imagined. It was a weight off my shoulders. With that, telling my college friends was no problem.

Not long after, I attended my regular GLBT support group dressed in women's clothing for the first time. Even though I was wearing a binder around my waist and false breasts, I felt so liberated. I started indetifying myself not as Spencer, my given name, but as Samantha.

The full transition to becoming a woman is going to be difficult. I'm starting vocal therapy to help make my voice more feminine. When I can afford it, I want to get sex reassignment surgery. If I had webbed toes or an ugly birthmark, no one would think less of me for repairing them. So why shouldn't I fix my misleading anatomy?

Still, it can be nerve-racking. I've never really dated, and I'm scared I might wind up alone. It's also unnerving to imagine how strangers will react. Once, when my friends and I were at a restaurant, a few cops asked where we were from. I was so anxious about how they'd respond to my male voice that I didn't say anything.

Even so, I don't feel that living as a woman is a choice for me. It's a necessity. In February, I arranged a rebirthing ceremony - sort of a "christening" for my new identity - in our campus chapel. The chaplain presided and 25 people, including professors, showed up. My friends read a few poems and took a vow to protect me. My mom announced how much she loved me. Afterward, a lot of people told me how strong I am to become a woman. All I know is, I have to be true to myself.


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I know this is a long article, but I didn't feel that I could cut it down without losing the impact of the message.

Remember, this article is in a magazine that is marketed to teenagers, with cover photos of today's teen idols and ads for makeup and teen products.

I was in the checkout line at a local drug store and saw "TEEN People" prominently displayed on the counter. The "TEEN" part caught my eye, and I then glanced down to read the titles of articles inside. When I saw the "transgender" article title, I was stunned. Is it not enough that adults are being bombarded with aberrant behavior as normal, but now we are recruiting teenagers into their ranks as well?

I had at first walked out of the store without the magazine; but then thought better of it and decided to post it here, in all its glory... for those of you who have kids and teenagers.

Comments anyone?

1 posted on 06/28/2003 3:50:22 PM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: tgslTakoma
I always thought I was a boy on the inside and destined to be a boy. That was because my pervert cousin was abusing me and I truly felt I was a boy. This was when I was young like 12 or 13 and I even had a little girl-friend. Then I heard that boys got raped too and that phase went out the window... I wonder how many of those teenagers had the same experience?
2 posted on 06/28/2003 3:53:41 PM PDT by cyborg (I'm a mutt-american)
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To: sauropod; nutmeg; AGreatPer; Angelwood; Constitution Day; Gore_ War_ Vet; FreeTheHostages; ...
Guard your children...
3 posted on 06/28/2003 3:56:56 PM PDT by tgslTakoma (Hillary!'s book tour is reputation-cleansing prep work for presidential run. FReep her everywhere!)
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To: tgslTakoma
Yeah, I have some.

For one thing, this is a mega-BS alert. God does not make mistakes. If He wanted you to be female, you would be born a female. Period. Same thing for males.

Secondly, I have a major problem with this being in a magazine whose target audience is high school age kids. Is this kind of stuff really appropriate for kids?

4 posted on 06/28/2003 4:02:34 PM PDT by Houmatt (Remember Jeffrey Curley and Jesse Dirkhising!)
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To: cyborg
I want to know what is wrong with the parents of the girl who had a mastectomy at age 14 (or so, a sophomore in high school)? What in the he!! were they thinking? And what is wrong with the surgeon who performed to operation?

Adolescence is a time of topsy-turvy hormones and emotions, and kids at this age often don't know who they are from one moment to the next. And for this girl's parents to help her mutilate herself - no, to encourage it - is beyond unbelievable to me. I think they should be charged with child abuse, or something. I fear this poor girl will one day realize what she did and will be emotionally scarred forever. God, I pray that I am wrong.

5 posted on 06/28/2003 4:04:13 PM PDT by tgslTakoma (Hillary!'s book tour is reputation-cleansing prep work for presidential run. FReep her everywhere!)
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To: Coleus; MHGinTN
PING!
6 posted on 06/28/2003 4:04:54 PM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: tgslTakoma
This weekend is the big "Gay Pride" shindig in San Francisco. Last night I was waiting for the bus and three young "transgendered" things (female-to-male) came up to the bus stop. They were totally drunk and acting out. One was so drunk he just laid down on the sidewalk. I said to the other two "Look, guys, if that's your friend you'd better get him up and help him keep it together. It's not safe to be out here in such a vulnerable condition." They gave me some attitude but then started taking care of their friend a little bit. They were young and drunk and everyone does stupid stuff when they're young and drunk. But I was really struck by how completely removed from reality they were. It was as if, to them, they were invisible or something. This is at 11:00 pm on the busy streets of a major city, in kind of a rough neighborhood. These kids weren't just differently "oriented." They were nuts!
7 posted on 06/28/2003 4:05:23 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Houmatt
You'll also notice the typical use of words and phrases throughout the article that attempt to "normalize" and justify transgender behavior.

The boy who became a girl talks about how, if he had webbed toes, nobody would get upset if he fixed them... his college chaplain participating in a "christening" of him as a her...

8 posted on 06/28/2003 4:09:47 PM PDT by tgslTakoma (Hillary!'s book tour is reputation-cleansing prep work for presidential run. FReep her everywhere!)
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To: lilDuce
Do you think these particular people will EVER be happy? You don't get happy by trying to change reality to meet your wishes, you adjust your wishes to deal with reality.

Besides which, the real point is, how many other mixed-up kids will an article like this help to screw up?
10 posted on 06/28/2003 4:11:26 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: lilDuce
Do you suggest we make life even harder for these children by not accepting them for who they are and continuing to heap scorn and ridicule upon them?

I don't think an 11 year old can know at that age that she's a lesbian. At age 11 a child should not be forced (by society, by parents, by friends, by anyone or anything) to make a determination of his or her sexual preference.

Would you encourage your 11 year old girl to go to lesbian support group meetings? Would you pay for her to have her body mutilated forever at age 14?

11 posted on 06/28/2003 4:14:19 PM PDT by tgslTakoma (Hillary!'s book tour is reputation-cleansing prep work for presidential run. FReep her everywhere!)
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To: tgslTakoma
A true liberal knows that a person born in a body that is the wrong gender can change genders, almost at will, but a faggot is forever because sexual behavior is immutable.
13 posted on 06/28/2003 4:24:08 PM PDT by Tacis
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To: tgslTakoma
Kade's story: Growing up in Tucson, I was way more masculine than other girls. As early as four, I wanted my hair cut short like a boy's. When I was five, my mom made me wear a dress on Christmas, and I cried so much that she promised I'd never have to wear another. By age six, I'd only wear boys' clothes.

Let me get this straight...this little girl had a 'gene' that told her that boys hair is short? And that girls 'genes' have a 'I want to wear a dress' code; which she didn't have?

Wow! this is a scientific break! But we better inform the rest of planet earth that has all kinds of hair styles and clothing styles for males and females from ours that their children are mutants...

What a stupid, stupid article...

14 posted on 06/28/2003 4:24:33 PM PDT by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...if we can keep it!)
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To: saramundee
sara: this describes your son right?
15 posted on 06/28/2003 4:26:37 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Polycarp; weegee; RAT Patrol; scripter
gay agenda never sleeps ping
16 posted on 06/28/2003 4:27:32 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: rogue yam; my_pointy_head_is_sharp; L.N. Smithee
Hey neighbors!

We SF'ers...what are we going to do? I'm sooo friggin' disgusted I am thinking of that movie with Charles Bronson, you know?

I'm Fed Up To The Gills. I've seen the homos here having sex in the open, etc. It's all about sex to them. That's what their lives are based on.

I have lived here for 20+ years...and it's only getting worse. We have to do something.

17 posted on 06/28/2003 4:32:09 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband (Charles Bronson was a hero to me so was Tailgunner Joe & Ann Coulter)
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To: tgslTakoma

18 posted on 06/28/2003 4:37:45 PM PDT by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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To: tgslTakoma
Some Transsexuals come out ok.

Lynn's Story

19 posted on 06/28/2003 4:38:18 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
Didn't s/he/it sue someone in the last couple of years? I think if that's the same person I've seen a different pic of the person sans stylist and makeup and it's a different look. The pic you linked shows someone that might be hard to tell. The pic I saw was of a screaming icky ugly person and you could definitely "tell".
21 posted on 06/28/2003 4:42:06 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: tgslTakoma
Hippie parents and a single mom...hmmm.
22 posted on 06/28/2003 4:44:26 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
My thoughts exactly.
23 posted on 06/28/2003 4:48:37 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: tgslTakoma; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; ..
In February, I arranged a rebirthing ceremony - sort of a "christening" for my new identity - in our campus chapel. The chaplain presided and 25 people, including professors, showed up.

No statistics are provided by the magazine regarding transgendered teens. They must have shopped long and hard to come up with these two examples.

One thing is certain, the Gov't education system, a/k/a the public school system is systematically indoctrinating your children into the GLBT lifestyle as "normal". To that end, they have allowed GLSEN to sponsor a "student" lead event at thousands of schools across the US, including religious schools! Last year, Governor Gray Davis of California issued an official proclamation making April 10, 2002 the National Day of Silence.

So what is the Day of Silence?

The Day of Silence institutes a visible silence, a silence during which participants protest anti-LGBT discrimination and abuse. Such an effort also allows us to reflect upon how powerful silencing can be, to focus on how we can make our own voices stronger and to begin to stop silencing ourselves.

The fact that one of the teens in the above story had "his/her" outing event in a chapel truly stretches the lengths to which these individuals will go to be accepted as normal.

This trend is a downward spiral to full societal degeneration. I don't recall any other period in history, short of the Roman Empire, when these forms of behavior were accepted and blessed. If you have children in middle, junior or high school, check the Day of Silence web site to determine whether or not your school is already participating. Contact your school administrators and demand that it be terminated or than an alternative program be offered on the same day. Only you can stop this!

Days of Silence

24 posted on 06/28/2003 4:50:05 PM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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To: tgslTakoma
The people who publish this sort of thing are truly sick. Just because we have "the right" to print anything we like, does not mean we should. They are truly evil.
25 posted on 06/28/2003 4:53:19 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: lilDuce
Hopefully, this article will help someone else who is struggling with the same issues.

Nonsense. That type of stuff only serves to "legitimize" deviancy and mental illness. It should be shunned like the plague.
26 posted on 06/28/2003 4:56:29 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: NYer
Yes, schools are definitely brainwashing kids into the GLBT lifestyle. The SF school district has been doing this for years.
27 posted on 06/28/2003 4:59:30 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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28 posted on 06/28/2003 5:02:26 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: lilDuce
I say let them do what they want.

Okaaaaaaaay...let's see, this poor girl is so fixated on her idea that she's really a boy that, when she got her period at thirteen, she wanted to kill herself.

Would you have allowed her to do that? After all, she wanted to do it very badly.

Why, then, would you allow her to sink even deeper into a hatred of her SELF that requires mutilation and serious drug therapy to assuage?

Depressed people very often take their rage out on their own bodies. Wouldn't it have been better for the parents to take her to a shrink that would help her accept herself for what she really is-- a young female human with a vagina, uterus, breasts, and a woman's brain as well? Instead, they all decide to enter her fantasy world.

I'm frankly horrified. This girl could have been me.

29 posted on 06/28/2003 5:03:30 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Not the same one.

Lynn Conway is a well-adjusted person who is an electronics / computer scientist and a college professor.

The transsexuals who go through their "sex change" at an earlier age are generally happier and more well adjusted than the ones who transition later in life.

The transsexual who is running for the major of Lansing is the one you are likely thinking of. That person had his, I mean her, sex change at 40-something years old, and still looks like a guy in a dress - due to body build and facial structure. This person apparently has a lot of anger due to society's rejection, and has dedicated the remainder of "her" life to being a "Transgender Activist".

Someone who transitions earlier in life can just go on and build a career doing something useful.

Bottom line - If someone's that sure they are a TS (Transsexual) at that early of an age, then I think it's best to let them "transition". Better that than to have others have to deal with the fallout if they decide to "transition" to the opposite sex once they're married and have a job.
30 posted on 06/28/2003 5:04:32 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: tgslTakoma
The indoctination has been going on for the last decade at least...Heather has two Mommies brought it down to the kidergarteners. All MTV does is indoctrinate not only into the homosexual lifestyle---into a very sexually promiscuous one.....The media has been making teenagers (and younger) into voyeurs where sex is meaningless....and an activity for "groups" of people to partake in.....It makes marriage meaningless since sex is supposed to be a "special" "intimate" act. The media is now working to make NAMBLA normal.
31 posted on 06/28/2003 5:04:39 PM PDT by savagesusie (Ann Coulter rules!)
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Hey , if I were a woman I'd be a lesbian , too ! ( hehehe )
32 posted on 06/28/2003 5:04:50 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: tgslTakoma
This is probably not a behavioral issue. Instead, it is a birth-defect issue. A child can be born with physical deformities such as webbed feet or a cleft palate. There can also be mental deformities such as Down's Syndrome.

Surely all of us would be compassionate to those children with such problems. Unless, of course, the birth defect involves sexuality, then some people just freak out.

When I was younger I mocked people with gender problems. I scorned them. Until an old man advised me to say to myself when I was tempted make fun of such people or to condemn them: "There, but for the Grace of God, go I."

I'm an old man now, and now I know the wisdom of that advice.
33 posted on 06/28/2003 5:06:57 PM PDT by Anarchist
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To: tgslTakoma
I was one of those girls that developed way early, and naturally recess was an absolute horror for me. I was literally tortured by boys on the playground. So at age eleven I sure didn't like BOYS. And after years of fleeing from hordes of little boys trying to grab my boobs, I wasn't too fond of my breasts either, and if someone had offered to make me flat-chested back then I would have jumped at the chance.

I was also very attached to the one or two friends I did have, who were female. I simply adored them. Of course, those feelings were not to be confused with SEXUAL feelings (they certainly weren't, as I learned later through having real sexual feelings). Now they try to tell you that "warm close feelings" for someone of the same sex could mean you're really gay or lesbian. And "feeling different from everybody else". Hell, I may have been an extreme example, but there's not an adolescent out there that doesn't feel like a freak inside, no matter what they look like outside.

Thank goodness I didn't have "enlightened" parents who'd send me to a lesbian support group full of adults, simply because boys made me cry and I hated my body.

34 posted on 06/28/2003 5:20:59 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: tgslTakoma
Samantha will even be able to have a pregnancy, given the new technologies. Is this better living through 'chemistry'?
35 posted on 06/28/2003 5:35:38 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: Anarchist
I think what you say here, about birth-defects, is important......there are, everyday, children born, and the doctors are unsure as to what gender they actually are...because at birth its not clear....and as the child growns over months, its still not clear...often the doctors will tell the parents that it is in the best interest of the child to assign it a gender and stick with it....

The doctors will usually tell the parents what they believe would be the best for a particular child...depending on the birth deformities...there have been a few documentaries done about these children, tho not many, I must admit...

Some of these children grew up, and altho they were assigned a gender while still very young, and had corrective surgeries to complete that assignment, the child, once grown felt that he/she was the wrong gender..some have even had corrective surgery to become the other gender...

I am not sure how often this happens, but it does happen...trying to believe that it does not happen, is just burying ones head in the sand...

I dont buy into this line about God not making mistakes, and that all babies are born perfect...good grief, not every baby is born perfect...many are born with all sorts of birth defects, some minor, some major and life threatening...

I am not taking any side one way or another...just pointing out, that sometimes babies are indeed born so badly deformed that even the doctors dont know if to say, :"Its a a boy", or "Its a a girl"...
36 posted on 06/28/2003 5:50:04 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: Calpernia
mega barf alert alright. What does hubby say about this? Seems these kids lack some self worth and the problem seems to be a lack of proper guidance, counseling and no formal traditional religion. Seems you never see this sort of stuff in Muslim, Orthodox Jewish and Amish communities where living their respective orthodox religion is the vanguard of their daily lives.
37 posted on 06/28/2003 5:56:39 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight and gave an innate predisposition for self-preservation and protection)
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To: hellinahandcart
Good point H. Most girls today get emotionally attached to each other (ie BEST friends). It starts when they're young and ends later (when they get married or sooner when they are in the workforce).

Girls even fight over friendships with other girls and get jealous, etc. Our culture tries to teach them that these are "lesbian" feelings when in fact they are a normal part of being a girl.

Other girls that in the past were Tomboys and grew out of it are again told by the media/teachers/school/mtb that they are also Lesbians or Transgenders.

In the past it was thought that these girls would "grow out of it" and most did.

Personally if I had a kid that was gender confused I would contact NARTH and get them gender UN-confused immediately.
38 posted on 06/28/2003 6:02:24 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: tgslTakoma; apackof2
This just ain't right. Whatever people do is their one business, but leave the kids alone.

On Lansing TV, there's one "it" who is running for Lansing mayor. By law, it has to have it's former name as well as current name, since all people that change their name within 5 years have to have both names listed.

There's even TV commericals with this "it". Looks like a drag queen. Talks like one too. I wonder how many votes it'll get.

39 posted on 06/28/2003 6:04:29 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Liberals - "The suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked")
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To: Dan from Michigan
Depends on how many Democrats there are in Lansing...
40 posted on 06/28/2003 6:07:16 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
I saw those TV commercials. My first reaction was "Is this Saturday Night Live?"
41 posted on 06/28/2003 6:09:55 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Liberals - "The suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked")
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Well, that's about 65% of Lansing.

Although I think everyone running is a dem.

42 posted on 06/28/2003 6:11:03 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Liberals - "The suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked")
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To: Van Jenerette
You're right. What this girl describes isn't even sexual "orientation", but an an extreme obsessive behaviour. Boys don't wear girls clothes because they will be made fun of, not because of a genetic issue. Girls who are shy about wearing mens clothes are responding to social effects. Girls who MUST wear this or that, or CAN'T wear this or that, are mentally disturbed.

I don't wear womens underwear because to do so feels silly...but do do so would not cause me to flip out.

43 posted on 06/28/2003 6:18:28 PM PDT by lepton
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To: I_Love_My_Husband; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; ..
Thanks for the contact data.
44 posted on 06/28/2003 6:25:32 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Most girls today get emotionally attached to each other (ie BEST friends). It starts when they're young and ends later (when they get married or sooner when they are in the workforce).

Young girls then to bond as "Best Friends", have sleepovers, and some even explore each other's bodies.

We have known about it for many years, and yet when Puberty starts, most girls begin to outgrow this. The real problems occur with the "you two girls like to touch and hug each other, therefore you must be a "lesbian"" crowd, always on the ready to "recruit"

45 posted on 06/28/2003 6:27:14 PM PDT by Lael (Well, I Guess he DIDN'T go wobbly in the legs!! Now, "W", lets do the REST of the AXIS of EVIL!!)
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To: lilDuce
just out of curiosity does that mean that a person with criminal tendencies such as rape should be encouraged because he/she was born that way. Much better guideline would be what is better for society and we all have to change ourselves to not imperil others.
46 posted on 06/28/2003 6:30:23 PM PDT by chuckwalla
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To: All
I was a condo property manager six years ago and you would not believe the reaction my co-workers had.....when a "transexual" came into the office headquarters needing to speak to me. I had never met "Gail" but listened respectfully and patiently as she/he explained the problem they were having. My co-workers were very impressed with my patience and the fact that I did not burst out loud with laughter. What could I do.

Years before that, I was an aerobics instructor at a "only womens health club" and had a similar problem with a "transexual" as he was in the middle of making his transformation and had to explain to our members that it was somehow legal for "it" to be there......bizarre!!!!

47 posted on 06/28/2003 6:36:16 PM PDT by jhw61
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To: tgslTakoma
its the homosexual agenda. GLSEN and their ilk are trying to trap these chidren into perversion pigeon holes. The militant homos rejoyce at agony they cause confused young children.

Keep the homosexuals out of schools and away from children.
48 posted on 06/28/2003 6:49:12 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: Coleus
Just showed hubby the article. He didn't even finish reading it. He won't believe a word of it unless he saw the patients charts.

He doesn't trust the source, he sees no medical background, no medical history. So no input on the topic from him.

He has some good points. Do you think this is propaganda? I'm thinking of the UN article I pinged you too, the posted one in the thread about NGO
49 posted on 06/28/2003 6:49:47 PM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
"Some Transsexuals come out ok."

Guess it all depends upon your definition of "okay."

It's still a mutliated guy in a dress as far as I'm concerned.


50 posted on 06/28/2003 6:49:48 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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