Skip to comments.BLAME THE GOP FOR PRO-SODOMY COURT DECISION
Posted on 06/29/2003 11:26:04 AM PDT by Polycarp
BLAME THE GOP FOR PRO-SODOMY COURT DECISION By: Reed R. Heustis, Jr. June 27, AD 2003
With one stroke of the pen, [homosexuality] has triumphed at the Supreme Court.
And guess what?
Republican-appointed Justices are to blame.
With a convincing 6-3 decision in Lawrence v. Texas, the United States Supreme Court on June 26 overturned a 1986 case, Bowers v. Hardwick, which had upheld the legitimacy of an anti-sodomy law. Sodomites and perverts all across America are hailing the Lawrence decision as the biggest gay rights victory in our nation's history.
Mitchell Katine, the openly gay attorney representing John Lawrence and Tyron Garner, the men whose arrest in 1998 led to the decision, proclaimed, "this is a day of independence."
Whereas homosexual deviancy has long been celebrated in the media and on our university campuses over the last two decades, the Johnny-come-lately Supreme Court now joins the orgy. As dissenting Justice Antonin Scalia correctly stated, "The court has taken sides in the culture war...."
How could this have happened?
Weren't Republicans supposed to be the champions of traditional values?
Weren't Republicans supposed to be the stalwart defenders of our nation's Christian heritage?
Seriously, just think:
Every four years without fail, the Republican Party instructs Christians to elect Republicans to office so that we can thwart the left wing agenda of the Democratic Party.
Every four years without fail, the Republican Establishment warns its rank and file never to vote for a third party candidate, lest we elect a Democrat by default by "giving him the election".
Every four years without fail, Christians are told that third party candidates cannot win, and that a vote for a third party candidate is somehow a vote for the Democrat.
Every four years without fail, Christians are bamboozled into believing that their beloved Republican Party will restore this nation to its Christian heritage.
Every four years without fail, we are told that only a Republican can appoint a conservative Justice to the high bench so that liberalism can be stopped cold.
Christians, wake up!
It is the Republican Party that is responsible for moronic decisions such as Lawrence. Quit blaming the liberals and the Democrats. Blame the GOP!
Out of the six Justices that formed the horrifying 6-3 Lawrence majority, four were appointed by Republicans! Four!
Justice John Paul Stevens was nominated by President Gerald Ford - a Republican.
Justices Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy were nominated by President Ronald Reagan - a Republican.
Justice David Souter was nominated by President George H.W. Bush - a Republican.
Two-thirds of the majority opinion were Republican-appointed!
"I believe this needs to be trumpeted," says Tim Farness, 1st District Representative of the Constitution Party of Wisconsin.
Indeed it does.
A 4-2 majority of the six Justices forming the Lawrence decision was Republican-appointed.
Republican President George W. Bush intends to run for a second term in 2004. Don't be too surprised when we start hearing the same-old song and dance all over again: "Elect Republicans so that we can defeat the Democratic agenda."
Mr. President: the Republican Party is the Democratic agenda.
© AD 2003 The Heustis Update, accessible on the web at www.ReedHeustis.com. All Rights Reserved.
But I fear the day is fast approaching when social conservatives and/or Christian conservatives will have no choice,
GW Bush is not CFR but again, the majority of his cabinet are members. You want to know more about this looming threat to our freedom? Read these books available from American Opinion Book services at http://www.jbs.org Shadows of Power by James Perloff and Global Tyranny: Step by Step and I forget the author, just now.
Ain't gonna happen.
The majority of people in this country do not wish to live under a theocracy. The Republicans know this.
If the Republicans ran under a platform of "restoring this nation to its Christian heritage" they would not win many elections --not the ones that count, anyways.
There's not much holding social conservatives in the GOP. If they go soft on guns, gays, and abortion, why the hell should I stay?
All you need is for Congress to exercise its Article III, section 2 power to regulate and make exceptions to the appellate power of the Supreme Court.
Amend the Judiciary Act to read, "The appellate power of the Supreme Court does not extend to judicial review of state laws pertaining to marriage or sexual behavior"
Simple majorities, both Houses, no Presidential approval required-it should take a week.
"Be" what, perverters of human nature? Conveyors of AIDS? Openly lewd, lascivious pigs? Child molesters? Truck stop and men's room predators? Voyeristic Boyscout troop leaders who leer at the boys? Same-sex Sodomites who play with each others genitals but can't procreate? NAMBLA members who push for man-boy sex? Angry pigs who parade themselves down Main Street each year in drag and throw condoms at Saint Patrick's Cathedral? National sub-culture members who rank number one in suicides, alcoholism, drug addiction, partner abuse and sexually transmitted diseases?
"2... How many people abstain from this sort of behavior simply BECAUSE OF THE LAW AGAINST IT?"
Nobody can ever know that, but the law represents the PEOPLE and their interests, and is based on the moral and physical good for the nation as a whole. How many people refrain from robbing and killing because the law is against it?
"3... Do you really think that putting the two original sex partners in this case in prison (with umpteen thousand other male inmates) is likely to REDUCE their homosexual behavior?"
Prison isn't really designed to reduce behaviors, it's designed to punish bad behaviors and keep dangerous people away from the general population.
Looking for all the "usual suspects" again?
Cripes, blame the society. Politicians go where the people are. Otherwise, they are just ex-politicians.
If you don't like what the politicians are doing (or not doing), look back at the people whose votes put them in office.
This court decision had to with societal forces (such as entropy) well beyond the power of political figures to control.
Why would you expect the government, seated through democratic elections, to do anything else but represent the beliefs, values and desires of those that put them in office.
Your beef is truly with the society that America has become, aiming at the politicians is closing the barn door after the horses have gone, spitting into the wind, and many other cliches (!)
That morality has been driven from the public square and replaced with the relativism that comes from the absolute power of individual choice -- and in the collective, from the tyranny of opinion that rules the majority -- is not because of the politicians. They are merely the whores to the tyranny of opinion. And if society has fallen this far, the politicians will not save it.
Justices Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy were nominated by President Ronald Reagan - a Republican. And who controlled the Senate then?
Justice David Souter was nominated by President George H.W. Bush - a Republican. And our current president's father should have his butt kicked for that error!
Two-thirds of the majority opinion were Republican-appointed! All the more reason to demand that Frist get cahonies and bust the democrat leftist filibustering of conservative judges! What you folks seem to miss is the purposed effort to divide the pubbies and allow the dying democrats to regain some control! Wake up! The real results will come from even larger pubby numbers in House and Senate, and the Senate showing some courage in facing down the damn destructive democrats! Threatening to act in a way that will return control to the societal engineering leftist party of democrats isn't gonna get one damn thing out of the career politician pubbies or democrats. You know why?... Because it fosters the notion that there is no consensus in America so every man should do what is right in his own political survival, which means compromising our national interests to get re-elected locally.
I didn't want to bail, either, but the sad part is that if you don't, nothing will ever change.
Reagan himself had tons of them (as it came out in those court cases) so did Bush Sr.
I'm all for this, but it seems like they are too numerous.
Start your own party. Call it the "Fred Phelps (God hates Fags) Party."
Bet Fred would join, too.
Imperialism put it over the top for me.
It's worth emphasizing that this decision did not legitimize same-sex marriage or anything else. It only decriminalized same-sex relationships to the same extent as hetero relationships, and these relationship MUST have ALL the following characteristics:
(1) Between (among) full adults,
(2) Entirely voluntary,
(3) Entirely in private,
There are still laws on the books that criminalize any relationship - hetero or homo - that lack any one of those characteristics.
Look up "theocracy" in the dictionary and here is what you will find:
2. A state so governed, as the Hebrew commonwealth before it became a kingdom.
Webster's New International Dictionary, 2nd edn, unabridged, 1959, p. 2619
No one has proposed "rule by clergy," so your argument is a red herring. We have always had laws intended to support moral order and for a very simple and obvious reason -- only a moral people are fit for self-governance and freedom. This was self-evident to the Founders.
Are you in favor of incest? How about polygamy? Does public indecency appeal to you? Is it ok with you if people parade themselves nude in front of parents and children in public parks? Engage in sexual activity in front of same?
Where do you (personally) draw the line or do you draw the line at all?
Walk into the Supreme Court and look at what's on the wall there. It's a bas relief of Moses handing down the Ten Commandments. Why do you think it's there? Could it be because our system of law ultimately derives from the Judeo-Christian tradition?
You're angry over this ruling, still. You know very well, unlike the goofball who wrote this article, that the "GOP" is not to blame for this decision. You just need a punching bag.
What's next? Start sending nasty e-mails to Charles Rosenthal, the Houston DA who brought the Lawrence case?
The police DID NOT BREAK IN to someone's house and that was no mere neighbor.
The door was unlocked. The "neighbor" was a roommate and homosexual lover of one of the men.
The police did not know that it was a false complaint at the time the call was received. If you want to prohibit the police from responding to 911 calls, then say so.
The caller was sentenced to 30 days in jail and reportedly served 15 (I do not know if he worked off some of his time).
The caller is now dead of an unrelated assault so he won't be giving any interviews.
One article I read said that the police claimed that there was a history of these men making false calls on each other. I still contend that the 3 men conspired to create the circumstance by which they could challenge the law (since overturning the law was the first thing they addressed after being arrested).
Perhaps the other fake phone calls were attempts to lure the police into their trap (and some didn't bite/charge them with homosexual sodomy).
Living with laws that reflect Christian morals and values is infinitely different than living in a theocracy, where the rulers are unelected tyrant clerics and heirarchical leaders within a particular religion. America did just fine, thank you, for nearly 200 years, living under our Constitution and in basic accordance with sound Christian values. It wasn't until the 1960's that Christian norms, morals and values began to get overthrown and undermined by the Courts. Abolishing school prayer, legalizing abortion, granting 'minority status' and special rights to sexual perverts, allowing for divorce-on-a-whim, and the plethora of other illogical, anti-Christian sewage that became case law through the Courts. The way I see it, either Christians unite and take back what God gave us by voting out the liberals and phoney "conservatives", or else get used to the rancid stench of perversion that is rapidly permeating our society.
That needs to be removed immediately!!!
Seperation of Church and State!!!
They're just gonna do it anyway. Yhe laws don't prevent them from engaging in the act.
The guards in jail sell contraband pot so they can still get high in prison.
The proscription of sodomy in the English tradition began in 1533 when King Henry VIII adopted contemporary church doctrine into a system of laws at the time of the English withdrawal from the Catholic Church. Sodomy became both a sin and a crime, since ecclesiastical law recognizes no distinction between the concepts of "sin" and "crime." Sodomy included any form of non-procreative acts including masturbation, oral and anal sex.
...stated by the Kansas Supreme Court in a 1925 sodomy case, sum up the historical attitude of the Anglo-American legal system toward non-procreative eroticism. The psychological discomfort of repressed or moralistic individuals from centuries before created a jurisprudence relegating the enjoyment of non-procreative physical intimacy to the status of criminality. Those forefathers attitudes control our legal system today. When the issue of the constitutionality of laws outlawing consensual sodomy was brought before the United States Supreme Court in 1986, nearly 200 years after the adoption of the Bill of Rights, Justice Byron Whites opinion upholding the laws referred to "the laws of the many States that still make such conduct illegal and have done so for a very long time."1 In addition, criminal penalties for sodomy "have ancient roots."2 Sodomy was a crime at common law.3
My Father, dead some 25 years, must be rolling over in his grave at the SCOTUSs decision. However where that sainted man never lost his innocence, his children though taught better, lost theirs in their young adulthoods with Hollywood scandals; lewd stories in news papers and in books and livelier communication among nations and cultures. His grandchildren never had a chance to experience the softness of simplicity, trustfulness and naïveté of just being a good citizen knowing right from wrong. Puerility has been denied them through their schools, churches, all guilty of social engineering 'to make the world a better place'. Today parents are striving to take back some of the lost innocence and lost education by home schooling, protecting their young from an ever increasingly tasteless and immoral world and a government that panders for votes and money from special interests outside the moral teachings.
Be that as it is, the states that had the Sodomy Laws on their books and did nothing in the recent past to act upon that law; the law has become innocuous as should be removed and perhaps re-written to make passing on AIDS and other diseases brought about by same sex partners, a crime against society and punishable under new laws designed to bring at least a modicum of morality. We can thank Bill Clintons well-publicized sexual conduct and his pandering for votes for the 90s plunge into true Sodom & Gomorrah for our young people to emulate.
Place the blame on liberal thinking, teaching, government, political correctness and a general apathy to stop pornography, adulation of skimpy clothes in inappropriate places and a dozen other things that come to mind - BUT don't place the blame on the GOP - the SCOUSA merely did their job; if anyone doesn't like it, then you should have paid attention long before this.
There won't be. As long as there is a terrorist menace, Americans are not going to turn the executive branch over to a bunch who can't get anything done in Congress.
Get off the soap box. How many politicians promise one thing, get elected, and then deliver something completely different? Such as Bill Clinton, who promised to make abortion, "safe, legal, and "rare". Well that scumbag had the chance to sign legislation making partial birth aborition illegal, but he vetoed it. So much for the "rare" part of his pledge. Nixon promised "peace with honor" and gave us peace with humiliation. George Bush senior talked incessantly of nominating a conservative Supreme Court Justice, and gave us David Souter, (barf). These are only a few examples of how we all get the shaft by the politicians, even when we do vote them out. They just get replaced by other snakes.