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Pools are pulling plug on deep ends, fearing safety hazard
Post Gazette ^ | June 30, 2003 | Jason Straziuso

Posted on 06/30/2003 5:05:41 PM PDT by hole_n_one

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:35:14 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PHILADELPHIA -- The diving boards were pulled up in the 1980s, and now deep ends are being deep-sixed.

The rectangular municipal pool that many Americans grew up swimming, splashing and diving in is fast being replaced by shallow water park-style pools featuring spray toys and water slides.


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1 posted on 06/30/2003 5:05:42 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one
Hmm... no deep end, so the kids don't really ever have to learn to swim.

Yep. That'll keep 'em from drowning.
2 posted on 06/30/2003 5:08:33 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: hole_n_one
Of course we have to ban municipal pools. Wouldn't want inner city kids to be distracted from sex, drugs, and alcohol, would we?
3 posted on 06/30/2003 5:09:49 PM PDT by JoeSchem (Okay, now it works: Knight's Quest, at http://www.geocities.com/engineerzero)
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To: hole_n_one
We could be increasing the likelihood of catastrophic neck injuries if we don't aggressively sign it,"

I can't believe this guy actually said this. Signage? Uh... like the signs that say "don't pee in the pool"? Like the other signs that just get ignored?

4 posted on 06/30/2003 5:10:50 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: hole_n_one
Hire lifeguards. No one ever broke their neck or drowned in a pool I ever guarded.

BTW, people drown at the beach. Will there be a move toward shallow oceans?


5 posted on 06/30/2003 5:12:07 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Ramius
Bingo. If a kid can stand up in the water, good luck teaching him that he needs to learn to swim.
6 posted on 06/30/2003 5:13:11 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: Sabertooth
People diving in SHALLOW pools is what breaks their necks. They are now increasing that risk. It's always for "the children".
7 posted on 06/30/2003 5:16:27 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage
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To: Ramius
They should fill 'em with sand. Then they couldn't possibly drown no matter what they do.
8 posted on 06/30/2003 5:17:29 PM PDT by Argus
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To: hole_n_one
True sign I saw at the edge of a wave pool in a water park near Charleston, South Carolina--"0 FT 0 IN NO DIVING".

This no-deep-end thing is getting ridiculous. Most motel and apartment swimming pools nowadays are barely bigger than hot tubs and only four to five feet deep. I love the older-style concrete motel pools with 8- or 9-foot deep ends, the kinds with the rough bottoms. Nothing like swimming in one of those at night, lit up all nice and green, to relax you at the end of a long trip.

Oh, and as for shallow oceans, aren't more and more beaches putting in lines of "don't swim past here" floats to keep people in 4 or 5 feet of water there as well?

}:-)4
9 posted on 06/30/2003 5:20:24 PM PDT by Moose4 (I'm feeling one of THOSE days coming on...)
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To: hole_n_one
Huh, teaching them to swim would be a threat to their self-esteem; and, tough, no-b.s. lifeguards would be too judgmental.

We will henceforth paint a large rectangle of the municipal parking lot a nice aqua blue.

There, try to drown in that.

As for diving, read the sign: No standing or stopping 6am-7pm M-F, No diving ANYTIME.

No toy guns, no dodgeball, no swimming pool.

Listen up! It's time for Ritalin! Line forms to the right!

I'm from the government. Resistance is futile.

10 posted on 06/30/2003 5:20:25 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: hole_n_one
If these bozos keep this up someday the entire universe will be perfectly safe.
11 posted on 06/30/2003 5:22:43 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: hole_n_one
I'm waiting for the day people will have to commit suicide to get a little excitement. This safety thing is bound to snuff out life as a result of sheer boredom.
12 posted on 06/30/2003 5:22:47 PM PDT by Libertina (FR - roaches check in, but they don't check out....)
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To: Ramius
I'm sure the stupid soccer moms are behind this crap. Their sons are so overprotected they will all turn out to be girley-men, if not full fledged sodomites. Even soccer has probably been re-defined as too tough for these future pansies.
13 posted on 06/30/2003 5:24:11 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: Ron in Acreage
People diving in SHALLOW pools is what breaks their necks.

It's not knowing how to dive that breaks people's necks. I can dive in 30" of water and miss the bottom by a half a foot.

You know what the real problem is?

Soccer.

Kids spend too much time playing the sport of socialist Eurotrash, and don't learn how to cope with the substance that covers 3/4 of the planet.


14 posted on 06/30/2003 5:28:33 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: nygoose
LOL. Aint it the truth. I refuse to buy my kids bike helmets. I just will not succumb to the lunacy.
15 posted on 06/30/2003 5:30:37 PM PDT by riri
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To: hole_n_one
Here in my little burb we have a choice of pools. From the old deep-ender to the new water park type. There's something for everybody. But I live in Texas.
16 posted on 06/30/2003 5:31:16 PM PDT by whereasandsoforth
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To: hole_n_one
In Upper St. Clair, a planned water park-style pool will be 6 feet at its deepest point.

Brilliant reasoning there. Small children will surely not be able to drown in 6 feet of water. Good thing they left out the deep end, now I feel safe with my kids in there. < /sarcasm >

17 posted on 06/30/2003 5:32:13 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Sabertooth
What about shallow water soccer?
18 posted on 06/30/2003 5:32:43 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage
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To: Sabertooth
"Hire lifeguards. No one ever broke their neck or drowned in a pool I ever guarded. BTW, people drown at the beach. Will there be a move toward shallow oceans?"

I agree. I think a person can drown in a couple of cups of water. It doesn't take the deep end of the pool to do it.

19 posted on 06/30/2003 5:33:25 PM PDT by redhead
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To: Ron in Acreage
"People diving in SHALLOW pools is what breaks their necks. They are now increasing that risk. It's always for "the children"."

Hubby's nephew did exactly this. Came home after two unwounded tours in Viet Nam, and dived into a shallow pool and broke his neck at level I. He's been dead since 1975.

20 posted on 06/30/2003 5:36:04 PM PDT by redhead
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To: hole_n_one
Pools are pulling plug on deep ends, fearing safety hazard

I was wondering how they managed to pull the plug on the deep end. Reminds me of the story of the guy who drilled a hole on his wife's side of the boat.
21 posted on 06/30/2003 5:36:08 PM PDT by gitmo (The perfect symbol for democracy: the guillotine.)
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To: hole_n_one
I sure hope this trend doesn't take over the Phila suburbs next. Yikes!!!

Our kids were motivated to learn to swim so they could play in the deep end. They have a grand time jumping into the water and diving for pool toys in the depths. Without a deep end, they'd be bored to tears. Having a deep end also means that there's one section of the pool where adults can swim a bit without interfering with games of Marco Polo. Of course, that's assuming the adults can swim . . .

22 posted on 06/30/2003 5:40:07 PM PDT by Think free or die
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To: hole_n_one
Fun is too unsafe. For the sake of safety, this country will outlaw all forms of fun over time.
23 posted on 06/30/2003 5:41:31 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: hole_n_one
The old-style "drowning pools" won't be missed, aquatics expert Tom Griffiths said. By having an all-shallow pool, more people can enjoy more of the pool, said Griffiths, director of aquatics at Penn State University.

In the older pools, "people were breaking their necks, so they took out the [diving] boards, but then they were left with a drowning pool. Children were sliding down that slope into the deep end," Griffiths said.

Wrong Mr. Griffiths (I shudder when I type this -- Griffiths is my maiden name), they WILL be missed. At nearly 40 years of age, a former lifeguard and avid swimmer, your characterization of the many dangers is over stated. Everything in life poses some sort of danger; life simply can't be made entirely safe. Trying to do so has created our current generation of victim whiners.

24 posted on 06/30/2003 5:41:58 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: whereasandsoforth
We went to one in Texas that was like that. It was great! It had the park equipment, and it had a thing called a lazy river. My kids loved the lazy river. It was about 5 feet deep, and had a fast moving current that carried people around a track.

They had diving boards, but my kids liked the lazy river the best.

I wish we had a pool complex like that one where I live in Silicon Valley.
25 posted on 06/30/2003 5:42:12 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: riri
You are fabulous. Those kids are so lucky to have you raising them. I hope you plan to arm them ASAP!
26 posted on 06/30/2003 5:43:10 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: Ramius
My kids learned to swim in 4 feet of water. They didn't need a deep end. Our public pool utilizes a deep end for diving. Beyond that I see nothing wrong with the idea of having a pool that gets no deeper than 6 feet if diving isn't an option. In fact - I'd love to have a community pool like they described.
27 posted on 06/30/2003 5:44:36 PM PDT by Frapster (John 3:16)
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To: hole_n_one
I heard on the radio last year, that many American families are removing their backyard swimming pools. I cannot say that I am surprised, with the threat of civil action looming. Also, I doubt if a pool increased your property value at all, in a great part of the country.
28 posted on 06/30/2003 5:45:28 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Sabertooth
BTW, people drown at the beach. Will there be a move toward shallow oceans?

No, they will outlaw swimming in the natural environment. You heard it here first.
29 posted on 06/30/2003 5:47:36 PM PDT by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: Ramius
Hmm... no deep end, so the kids don't really ever have to learn to swim.

Getting rid of the deep end and diving boards is ridiculous, but I REALLY like the gradual entry thing. It's just so much easier if you have a little one.

30 posted on 06/30/2003 5:48:34 PM PDT by Dianna (space for rent)
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To: hole_n_one
"And less depth means less water, which means lower water bills, he said."

Do these liberal idiots actually believe this crap?

OK, you may save water on chemicals and electricity/gas with a smaller gallonage, but a pool that is simply shallower, with the same surface area, uses the same amount of water, as water can only evaporate from the SURFACE of the pool, not the bottom.

31 posted on 06/30/2003 5:48:36 PM PDT by Henchster
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To: Frapster
Beyond that I see nothing wrong with the idea of having a pool that gets no deeper than 6 feet if diving isn't an option

As a kid, I fondly remember dropping objects to the bottom on the deep end and swimming the 10 feet to the bottom to get them. It developed good breathing, muscles and good planning skills. Six feet just wouldn't have done it. Children need this sort of activity, whether it's in swimming, biking, dodgeball or whatever. All this silly take-away-the-risk emphasis is breeding sissies.

32 posted on 06/30/2003 5:49:51 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: Dark Wing
ping
33 posted on 06/30/2003 5:50:27 PM PDT by Thud
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To: hole_n_one
Hmmmmm, this sounds familar. At our zero depth entry, 4ft max "water park" with slides, fountains and squirters, there have been repeated problems with ruffians who know not the meaning of "desist" and for whom the whistle has to be blown every thirty seconds. I recently remarked to my wife, that if the water depth were increased by mere 2ft, those kinds of problems (quite dangerous) would quickly go back to the public basketball courts from whence they came.
34 posted on 06/30/2003 5:50:40 PM PDT by Theophilus (Death to the privateers who refuse to keep their privates private!)
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To: Henchster
Sometimes things are so obvious that we never think of them. Thanks.
35 posted on 06/30/2003 5:51:05 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: Frapster
a pool that gets no deeper than 6 feet if diving isn't an option.

When, again, is diving not an option?

36 posted on 06/30/2003 5:52:01 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: Dianna
The gradual entry thing is interesting. I haven't been to a pool like that, but it sounds like a nice way to do pool design.

But... it should get plenty deep at the other end. It's just the right thing to do. Kids need to learn how to dive *headfirst* into deep water. They need to learn how to tread water.

But these shallow-water pools ignore one really important remaining liability: What about the really short kids? :-)
37 posted on 06/30/2003 5:56:15 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: Ramius
it's one thing to dive off the side of a pool and quite another to dive off a 3 foot or 10 foot board into 6 feet of water.
38 posted on 06/30/2003 5:56:23 PM PDT by Frapster (John 3:16)
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To: hole_n_one
These aren't "swimming" pools, they're splashing pools. Splashing in shallow water requires much less physical exertion. Actually swimming, keeping oneself afloat while playing is much more strenuous. Article after article bemoans the fattening of America and at the same time, we're removing opportunities to exercise, because they're not safe.

I've enjoyed recent family vacations we've taken to area waterparks, but the one thing missing is the swimming. With maximum 5 or 6 foot depths, and usually one a few few square feet of these, any sort of meaningful swimming is difficult. This is sad. Mr. FourPeas may yet talk me into a pool in our backyard -- one with a deep end.

39 posted on 06/30/2003 5:56:43 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: Frapster
Well, yes. But still... kids can still get a disastrous neck injury in a four foot pool diving from the edge. That's what they are talking about in this story. Six feet would apparently be far to deep for these folks.
40 posted on 06/30/2003 5:58:56 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: Sabertooth

Hopping into a pool feet first with water up to your waist has to be much more fun than this wreckless youth is having.

41 posted on 06/30/2003 6:01:56 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one
You can drown in 2 inches of water. Maybe we should just put our children in a bubble at birth and not let them out for 18 years.

How I ever survived childhood I'll never know.
42 posted on 06/30/2003 6:02:17 PM PDT by PogySailor
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To: Sabertooth
Boy, do you have a statistical problem. People in "soccer" countries don't seem to have a problem swimming. So what do you think the problem really is?
43 posted on 06/30/2003 6:02:34 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: PhilDragoo
Next thing you know there will be door-to-door mandatory delivery of Valium or Librium along with Gestapo type nurses who won't leave until we take our dosages. That would be one way to keep us in line. (And no, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm being Orweillian!)
44 posted on 06/30/2003 6:04:26 PM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: FourPeas
One floating Baby Ruth Bar and it's a human catastrophe......


45 posted on 06/30/2003 6:07:40 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: proudofthesouth
The law of unintended consequences:

18-year-old Eric Harris killed 12 students and a teacher at Columbine High School before killing himself. Harris was on one of the SSRI anti-depressants called Luvox.

46 posted on 06/30/2003 6:08:54 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: hole_n_one
The old-style "drowning pools" won't be missed, aquatics expert Tom Griffiths said.

This nitwit ought to speak for himself and not for others. Some of my fondest childhood memories was when I became a good enough swimmer to go to the "deep end" of the pool. I eventually became very comfortable in water over my head. As a result, it would be very difficult to drown me as I can even today tread water or float for hours on end. During my trip to Alabama last week, I took my son to the municipal pool in Douglas (where I went as a child) and they still had a 15ft deep end. My 12-year-old son and I spent several hours out there.

Ironically, this trend towards shallow pools will probably increase drownings in the long run as kids will grow up afraid to be in water over their heads and will be more likely to drown if ever they find themselves in a situation where they are.

47 posted on 06/30/2003 6:11:23 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Back in boot camp! 256 (-44))
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To: nygoose
From what I could find on drownings municipal pools account for less than 1/10% of total.
48 posted on 06/30/2003 6:13:04 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: hole_n_one

49 posted on 06/30/2003 6:14:23 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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Jim Carey's SNL skit as a hot tub life guard can be seen via Real Player here.
50 posted on 06/30/2003 6:17:37 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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