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George W. Bush--The First 30 Months
7-1-2003 | Justshe

Posted on 07/01/2003 8:46:22 AM PDT by justshe

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To: newgeezer
I've used use my vote to make a conservative statement only when I'm certain I'm not helping elect a liberal. The last two times were in the Iowa caucuses for Alan Keyes. If Keyes was a third-party candidate in the '00 General Election, I'd have voted for Bush to keep Gore from winning.

It's not particularly satisfying. But, it's a nod to reality.

I like your approach. I can't imagine anyone who could completely satisfy me as president. I hear your concerns and I tend to share them.

But, like you, I try to be a realist. At this point, I'm satisfied that next year there isn't going to be any electable candidate out there who will better represent my interests than our President. ;-)

141 posted on 07/01/2003 11:02:32 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Summertime!)
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To: wardaddy
The honour and dignity restoration is also something not to be dismissed lightly.

This doesnt get mentioned enough. While I disagree with the road map, and nothing being done about our borders, I agree in Principle with most of the Admins stance. Just my opinion of course..

142 posted on 07/01/2003 11:02:56 AM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: wardaddy
The honour and dignity restoration is also something not to be dismissed lightly.

This doesnt get mentioned enough. While I disagree with the road map, and nothing being done about our borders, I agree in Principle with most of the Admins stance. Just my opinion of course..

143 posted on 07/01/2003 11:02:56 AM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: Miss Marple
How many of these things would have been accomplished with a democrat administration?

Are you referring to the socialization of prescription drugs?


144 posted on 07/01/2003 11:04:17 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Scenic Sounds; TLBSHOW
So, now you understand how it's possible -- and too often necessary -- to cast a vote for socialism without being a Socialist.
145 posted on 07/01/2003 11:08:25 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
Quite true....the last line in your post.
146 posted on 07/01/2003 11:08:38 AM PDT by wardaddy (DIVERSITY IS BEST SERVED EARNED)
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To: Cincinatus
Yes, I agree - list starts out good - but Karl Rove is the last person to get rid of. As for Colin - He fulfills a necessary place - the diplomat who understands the consequences of diplomatic failure. Colin just needs to clean house - he has staff there who are undermining his position.
147 posted on 07/01/2003 11:09:44 AM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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To: Sabertooth; Miss Marple
Are you referring to the socialization of prescription drugs?

Maybe she means Campaign Finance Reform.

148 posted on 07/01/2003 11:11:16 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: justshe
In your very artfully and objectively phrased list of non-accomplishments, you omitted "attemtpted to sneak an Amnesty for 200,000 Illegal Aliens by way of a midnight insertion of a Section 245(i) extension into a Homeland Security bill, which would have penalized tens of thousands of legal immigrant candidates who've never broken our laws."


149 posted on 07/01/2003 11:11:45 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: ken5050
Feeling your pain.


150 posted on 07/01/2003 11:13:07 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
I suggest you watch the replay of Strom Thurmond's funeral this evening. Joe Biden and a black S.C. democrat gave outstanding eulogies. You might get some perspective on compromise and service to one's nation.
151 posted on 07/01/2003 11:13:25 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: DannyTN
"Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty. "

Anyone who questions whether this was a good thing or not

It's not even true. The French killed Kyoto through intransigence. Bush just kicked the carcass out of the way. If there are going to be such lists, they should at least be accurate.

152 posted on 07/01/2003 11:14:09 AM PDT by Camachee
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To: Sabertooth
It's not my pain......I do feel sorry for those poor folks who are married to all the whiners around here....
153 posted on 07/01/2003 11:14:36 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Brian_Baldwin
Re: Immigration...you apparently need to check this link out...

Hutchinson Outlines Homeland Security Department Achievements - June 2003

BTW, you might want to note that the Homeland Security Dept. is only 5 months old.

I had these on file from a previous posting...

The Department of Education has published a notice in the Federal Register announcing a computer matching program between the Department of Education and the INS that will permit the Education Department to confirm the immigration status of alien applicants for, or recipients of, Title IV financial aid programs.

Dept. of Education Announces Computer Matching Program with INS September 19, 2002

Attorney General John Ashcroft has announced a new "National Security Entry-Exit System" that would require the registration and monitoring of certain non-immigrants. The proposal contains three major components: fingerprinting at the border, periodic registration of certain aliens, and exit controls.

National Security Entry-Exit System Proposed - June 2002

The Immigration and Naturalization Service has stated that it is now checking the names of all applicants for immigration benefits against a federal database of terrorists and law breakers — even if it means delays for people seeking visas, permanent residence, or citizenship.

INS Expands Checks of Applicants - May 2002

President Bush has signed the Border Security Bill meant to screen out terrorists by using high-tech passports and more border enforcers to check millions of people who enter the United States each year. The new law also will mean closer monitoring of foreign students in the US.

The law also strengthens requirements that planes and passenger ships traveling from other countries provide lists of passengers and crew members to a US border officer before arriving, and reiterates the need for a database of suspected terrorists that federal agencies can use to screen visa applicants. Such a list already exists under the Federal Terrorism Tracking Task Force that Bush created after September 11.

Additionally, the new law creates an elaborate tracking system of foreign students. It will record the admission of non-resident students by educational institutions, the issuance of student visas, and the enrollment of non-Americans in schools. It also will force schools to advise the INS if foreign students do not report for class.

The Bill also authorizes 400 additional immigration investigators, inspectors and other staff for the Immigration and Naturalization Service, subject to Congress financing them.

Bush Signs Border Security Bill - May 2002

Under the legislation, the INS will use a new internet-based system to track about one million foreign students in the country. U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft announced last Friday that all educational institutions eligible to enroll foreign students should have joined the system by the end of January. The bill requires that passports issued after 2003 be tamper- resistant and that visitors carry documents that can be read by machine and identify the bearer with biometrics, such as face recognition or retinal scanning technology.

Bush Signs Bill on Enhanced US Border Security

The US Department of State has announced that effective April 8, 2002, US passports will no longer be issued outside of the US.

US Passports Will No Longer be Issued Abroad – April 2002

President Bush's advisers have recommended merging the Customs Service and the Immigration and Naturalization Service in a sweeping overhaul of US border security in response to the September 11 attacks.

Bush's budget proposal calls for an extra $2.1 billion in spending to secure US borders and keep out foreigners who might try to launch attacks like those on September 11.

The money would be used to hire more border patrol agents, safeguard ports, and track foreign nationals living in the United States

Bush Advisers Propose Merger of INS and Customs Service – March 2002

The US State Department has published an interim rule, effective April 1, 2002, amending 22 CFR § 41.112(d) to preclude automatic revalidation of expired visas under this section for nationals of countries designated as ‘terrorist-sponsoring’ states, and for aliens who apply for new visas during their trip abroad.

State Department Restricts Eligibility for Automatic Revalidation of Expired Visas – Mar 2002

Under section 113 of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act (ATSA), training providers subject to regulation by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) are prohibited from providing training to aliens in the operation of aircraft with a maximum certificated takeoff weight of 12,500 pounds or more, unless they provide prior notification to the Attorney General.

Department of Justice Notice of Consent for Providing Aviation Training to Certain Alien Trainees – Feb 2002

154 posted on 07/01/2003 11:16:06 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Miss Marple
You might get some perspective on compromise and service to one's nation.

You think I could punch chad for Pubbies without it?


155 posted on 07/01/2003 11:16:13 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: newgeezer
So, now you understand how it's possible -- and too often necessary -- to cast a vote for socialism without being a Socialist.

Then I wonder why it is that the "BushBots" are constantly called socialists?

BTW, I loved your post about your vote; it's one of the most honest, realistic posts I've ever seen on FR.

156 posted on 07/01/2003 11:17:03 AM PDT by Howlin (A vote for Bush in 2004 is just that -- a vote for Bush!!!!!)
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To: newgeezer; TLBSHOW
So, now you understand how it's possible -- and too often necessary -- to cast a vote for socialism without being a Socialist.

LOL.

Well, another one of my problems with TLB's formulation is that when I studied economics (it was my undergraduate major way, way, way back in the early 1970's - lol), I was taught that socialism meant the ownership by government of the major means of production. I don't suspect that even TLB is using the term socialism in that technical sense. Instead, to the extent that TLB's posts mean anything at all, I suspect that he is using the term much more broadly, broad enough to include any economy in which the government provides more than just police and fire protection.

Of course, socialism defined that broadly would even encompass the presidency of George Washington. And I don't think that Washington deserves that! ;-)

157 posted on 07/01/2003 11:17:38 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Summertime!)
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To: Catspaw
Direct Aid to Israel X .05 = Direct Aid to PA.
158 posted on 07/01/2003 11:18:29 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Sabertooth
I am not in the mood to argue with you today. I am thinking that Strom Thurmond was eulogized today as one who was unfailingly courteous, never said a bad word about anyone, and is beloved by all South Carolina, both black and white.

It is a role model I hope more would follow, and I am sorry to see him pass from this earth.

159 posted on 07/01/2003 11:18:54 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Camachee
"The French killed Kyoto through intransigence. Bush just kicked the carcass out of the way. If there are going to be such lists, they should at least be accurate. "

Ok, I'll bite. What did the Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys do that killed Kyoto? And how did that relate to Bush's decision not to sign it?

160 posted on 07/01/2003 11:20:00 AM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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