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Ala. Judge Loses Ten Commandments Appeal
Washington Post ^ | July 1, 2003 | Associated Press

Posted on 07/01/2003 2:47:12 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian

ATLANTA - A federal appeals court ruled Tuesday that a Ten Commandments monument the size of a washing machine must be removed from the Alabama Supreme Court building.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously affirmed a ruling by a federal judge who said that the 2 1/2-ton granite monument, placed there by Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

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Moore put the monument in the rotunda of the courthouse in the middle of the night two summers ago. The monument features tablets bearing the Ten Commandments and historical quotations about the place of God in law.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; US: Alabama
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To: lugsoul
You should read the decision.
621 posted on 07/03/2003 4:34:33 PM PDT by gitmo (We've left the slippery slope and we are now in free fall.)
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To: lugsoul
Are you talking about employment law or constitutional law?

Constitutional law. I'll rephrase my point. Suppose the California Assembly passed a new law saying that the state's official ideology is green socialism. Under this law, any state official would be required take an oath declaring his adherence to this ideology. Any of the Founders would have recognized this as a religious test. The fact that there's no supernatural aspect to this particular religion is completely immaterial. It's exactly the type of situation that the constitutional prohibition was designed to address.

The purpose of the Establishment Clause? Just like the Free Exercise clause, it was to prohibit religious discrimination or persecution.

And whom was Chief Justice Moore discriminating against or persecuting?

622 posted on 07/03/2003 5:24:07 PM PDT by inquest
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To: gitmo
godless lawyer

Jews are godless? I suppose that does take the "Judeo" out of "Judeo-Christian."

623 posted on 07/03/2003 6:50:34 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: exmarine
Also, you need to show how a govt. school teacher leading in prayer is tantamount to establishing a state religion. I don't see that connection and no common sense person does.

(Been gone all day. Late to the discussion.)

Reminds me of the TV show "Touched by an Angel" - the show always had a moral and mentioned "God" - but not Jesus, or Allah, or the Torah, or had any sectarian spirit. It was 100% non-denominational. Prayers such as you are mentioning can be non-denominational as well, and can therefore be appreciated by all monotheists. The only people who would be offended would be ultra-sensitive hair-trigger atheists and polytheists. And I would bet good money that they are in a tiny minority.

And since the founders of this country found it constitutional to have religion in public promoted by government, even though they weren't all the same sect or whatever - as libertarians like to remind everyone - why now, so many years later, it's unconstitutional?

624 posted on 07/03/2003 9:46:47 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: inquest
And in a like sense, when a teacher is evangelizing on behalf of homosexuality...

In California, it's mandatory. K-12, since 2001.

625 posted on 07/03/2003 9:51:33 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: exmarine
It seems everything that is taught in govt. schools is wholly consistent with atheism. Are you going to try to claim that atheism is not a religion?

The root of the word "atheism" is the Greek word for "God" (theos?) stemming from the Sanskrit "deva". So a-theism really can only exist in the shadow of God.

But you are right. The religion of secular humanism has a "catechism" that must be believed in on faith, certain "sacred" rituals, and one is considered a blasphemer if one disagrees with the tenets.

626 posted on 07/03/2003 10:00:37 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: gitmo
I have read it. You are making things up. Cite to the page where the alleged factual information you reference is located.
627 posted on 07/04/2003 5:35:11 AM PDT by lugsoul
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To: Catspaw
As I said in an above post, a Jew can certainly be a godless man (or woman). One's moral standing is not a function of one's ancestry. Read the Old Testament.
628 posted on 07/04/2003 7:35:34 AM PDT by gitmo (We've left the slippery slope and we are now in free fall.)
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To: gitmo
As I said in an above post, a Jew can certainly be a godless man (or woman). One's moral standing is not a function of one's ancestry. Read the Old Testament.

Provide me with chapter and verse.

629 posted on 07/04/2003 8:04:22 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: lugsoul
I hope you had a good 4th with your family. I just wanted to provide this excerpt from a WND article. It's a quote from Stephanopoulis's ABC talk show:

"We see all the time, Justice O'Connor and I, and the others, how the world really – it's trite but it's true – is growing together," Breyer said. "Through commerce, through globalization, through the spread of democratic institutions, through immigration to America, it's becoming more and more one world of many different kinds of people. And how they're going to live together across the world will be the challenge, and whether our Constitution and how it fits into the governing documents of other nations, I think will be a challenge for the next generations."

Clearly, any justice that believes that globalism trumps the Constitution should be impeached and removed from his office. This is scary to say the least!

As an epilogue to our earlier exchange, I would simply say that that many of our founders did use the federal government to promote Christianity (no particular denomination) and it was their stated intention that the church be protected from the state, not vice versa. In light of history, no one can deny that the "wall of separation" doctrine is a fabricated reading of the Constitution.

630 posted on 07/07/2003 7:29:49 AM PDT by exmarine
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