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To: lugsoul
It seems if you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. Your point makes mine. They took the Ark to the TEMPLE. Not to the government building.

I agree that the civil government should be a separate entity from the church. However, where we disagree is on ultimate sovereignty. You believe the State is the ultimate sovereign (right?), and our founders believed that although they are separate, both the state and the church fall under God's ultimate moral authority. The D of I makes that clear. If rights come from God, then the State that secures those rights is under God. "One nation under God..." Oops! 9th Court says no on that too!

604 posted on 07/03/2003 3:21:58 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: exmarine
Ultimate sovereign? Well, that is a complicated question. Over the civil realm, the state is the ultimate sovereign. Over the spiritual realm, God is the ultimate sovereign. I do not believe that God, or Jesus, would be particularly thrilled with our regularly thrusting them into worldly matters. Kind of like when a football player who just won the Super Bowl starts talking about how God was with him on that touchdown play. I really hope that God doesn't care who wins the Super Bowl. I believe He doesn't. Similarly, I don't think God is taking sides in whatever timber rights case or contract dispute is at the Alabama Supreme Court this week. And I believe is it mighty presumptuous of us to think that He is.

Oh, and over my mind, and my body - I am the ultimate sovereign, and I believe that is the freedom God gave me.

606 posted on 07/03/2003 3:27:55 PM PDT by lugsoul
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