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To: exmarine
Ultimate sovereign? Well, that is a complicated question. Over the civil realm, the state is the ultimate sovereign. Over the spiritual realm, God is the ultimate sovereign. I do not believe that God, or Jesus, would be particularly thrilled with our regularly thrusting them into worldly matters. Kind of like when a football player who just won the Super Bowl starts talking about how God was with him on that touchdown play. I really hope that God doesn't care who wins the Super Bowl. I believe He doesn't. Similarly, I don't think God is taking sides in whatever timber rights case or contract dispute is at the Alabama Supreme Court this week. And I believe is it mighty presumptuous of us to think that He is.

Oh, and over my mind, and my body - I am the ultimate sovereign, and I believe that is the freedom God gave me.

606 posted on 07/03/2003 3:27:55 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: lugsoul
I do not believe that God, or Jesus, would be particularly thrilled with our regularly thrusting them into worldly matters.

I see, so Jesus is Lord, but only in a limited sense...He created the vast universe and spun the galaxies into their orbits, and it was He who originally ORDAINED governments in the first place (read Romans 13), but men don't need is guidance on civil matters. It was He who created all mankind in His image, yet man should not consider Him in all phases of the creation? Sorry, that doesn't fly to anyone who understands the sovereignty of God.

609 posted on 07/03/2003 3:30:46 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: lugsoul
Oh, and over my mind, and my body - I am the ultimate sovereign, and I believe that is the freedom God gave me.

Yes, you can make moral choices over your body. God gave you that freedom becuase without freedom there cannot be love, and God wants you to love Him FREELY, by choice. However, there are practical and spiritual consequences for acting contrary to God's plan. You are sovereign, yet you have no control over how long you live. God promises tomorrow to no man.

611 posted on 07/03/2003 3:34:16 PM PDT by exmarine
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