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To: exmarine
It has been your contention all along that the framers intended for the law of God as embodied in the Ten Commandments to be the basis for civil law. And I fully understand how you can arrive at that contention. What I don't understand is how you can arrive at the contention that the framers - not you, or me, but the framers - intended that Commandments 5-10 only should be the basis for civil law, and that the others were up to us. And I don't understand where God said that 5-10 were to be enforced by government, but 1-4 were up to an individual conscience.

If you fall back simply on "you can't legislate matters of conscience," let me remind you of heresy laws. As for the Sabbath, don't you recall those blue laws?

610 posted on 07/03/2003 3:33:33 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: lugsoul
What I don't understand is how you can arrive at the contention that the framers - not you, or me, but the framers - intended that Commandments 5-10 only should be the basis for civil law, and that the others were up to us.

This was embodied partly in the writings of John Locke. Freedom of conscience to worship as one pleases was a major issue at the time - the Church of England's persecution was the major factor in the Pilgrims coming to America in the first place. So, the founders understood that you cannot force someone to believe anything. Religion is a matter of conscience between a person and his God - how do you regulate thought (maybe I should ask N.O.W. or the ACLU or gay activists, hmm); behavior isn't.

613 posted on 07/03/2003 3:37:09 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: lugsoul
If you fall back simply on "you can't legislate matters of conscience," let me remind you of heresy laws. As for the Sabbath, don't you recall those blue laws?

You have a valid point here.

614 posted on 07/03/2003 3:39:18 PM PDT by exmarine
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