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Giant sea specimen baffles scientists
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Posted on 07/02/2003 5:24:45 PM PDT by swarthyguy

SANTIAGO, Chile - Fishermen found the 39-foot-long carcass of a sea creature on a beach in the south of Chile, and conservation specialists were trying to determine if it was an octopus.

The creature, believed to be of the species octopus giganteus, was found near Los Muermos, 683 miles south of Santiago.

The remains weigh about 13 tons.

Elsa Cabrera, of the Cetacean Conservation Center, said that similar animals have been found recently in New Zealand.

Cabrera, who is a specialist in submarine photography, took samples of the creature to send to Italy, France and the United States to determine its species.

The find was originally believed to be part of a whale, but its size, texture and even the smell point to an octopus.

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SANTIAGO, Chile, July 2 — A huge, gelatinous sea creature found washed up on Chile’s coast has stumped scientists, who have sent samples to a specialist in France for help in identifying the mystery specimen. The blob was mistaken for a beached whale when first reported last week, but experts who went to see it said the 40-foot-long mass of decomposing lumpy gray flesh apparently was an invertebrate.

“WE’D NEVER before seen such a strange specimen, we don’t know if it might be a giant octopus that is missing some of its parts or maybe it’s a new species,” said Elsa Cabrera, director of the Center for Cetacean Conservation in Santiago. The round substance looks like a mammoth jelly fish and is about as long as a school bus. Giant octopus live at a depth of up to 9,500 feet and only rise to the surface when they die. Specimens have been known to be as long as 30 feet.

WHALE SKIN? There was speculation that the mass might be a whale skin, but Cabrera said it was too big and did not have the right texture or smell. Steve Webster, senior marine biologist at the Monterey Bay Aquarium in California, wasn’t ready to rule that out, at least based on the photo and limited information he has read. If the texture is leathery, he said, “I would opt more for whale skin ... the rotted, separated skin of a blue, sei or fin whale could easily be this size.”

“In addition,” he said, “at least 50 percent to 80 percent of the length of a giant squid or octopus is arms and tentacles, not the body. From what I can see in the picture, this is one big mass of tissue, and is not divided into what might be arms or tentacles.” The Chilean Navy first spotted the mystery specimen along with another large mass near Puerto Montt, in southern Chile, but the latter turned out to be a dead humpback whale.

GIANT OCTOPUS OR PLANKTON? Cabrera’s group sent samples to French specialist Michel Raynal. The center contacted him and his initial impression was that it is a giant octopus, Cabrera told MSNBC.com.

A review of literature found only one other specimen of a similar shape and size, Cabrera said, and that was found on a Florida beach in 1896. University of Southern Florida scientists a few years ago said tissue analysis showed that the specimen was whale skin, not a giant octopus. Cabrera noted the Chilean specimen is bigger than what was found in 1896, measuring about 40 feet long, 18 feet wide, and three feet tall at its highest point. Webster raised the possibility that “if the blob is really gelatinous, and not particularly tough and leathery,” then it could be what’s known as a pyrosome — a colony of millions of plankton that can grow to up to 60 feet long. He said that genetic analysis of the tissue should reveal some clues to identify the specimen. “If this were just the head and body of a squid or octopus,” he added, “then it appears to be far larger than any such critter known to date.”


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KEYWORDS: calamari; chile; cryptozoology; giantsquid; kraken; marinebiology; swarthyguy; theslitherdeedee; wtfisthat

1 posted on 07/02/2003 5:24:46 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: blam

2 posted on 07/02/2003 5:25:38 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
That is really ugly, whatever it is.
3 posted on 07/02/2003 5:27:35 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: swarthyguy
,,, that looks like carpet off a shipwreck.
4 posted on 07/02/2003 5:28:27 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: swarthyguy
I've seen this before.

It's the BLOB!

Run for your lives!!!


5 posted on 07/02/2003 5:29:28 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: swarthyguy
There's something strange in the neighborhood...
6 posted on 07/02/2003 5:29:34 PM PDT by csvset
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To: swarthyguy
Try the search option, slacker.

ALREADY POSTED!

7 posted on 07/02/2003 5:29:38 PM PDT by xrp
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To: swarthyguy
have sent samples to a specialist in France

,,, nouvelle cuisine BUMP.

8 posted on 07/02/2003 5:29:44 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
OMG! Jarrold Nadler fell overboard!
9 posted on 07/02/2003 5:30:34 PM PDT by RedQuill
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To: swarthyguy
The blob was mistaken for a beached whale when first reported last week, but experts who went to see it said the 40-foot-long mass of decomposing lumpy gray flesh apparently was an invertebrate.

Anyone know if Jerrold Nadler is missing?

10 posted on 07/02/2003 5:30:46 PM PDT by freebilly (I think they've misunderestimated us....)
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To: RedQuill
Hehehe!
12 posted on 07/02/2003 5:31:33 PM PDT by freebilly (I think they've misunderestimated us....)
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To: RedQuill
Jarrold Nadler fell overboard!

,,, that's not very nice - and after all Jarrold's done for you!

13 posted on 07/02/2003 5:32:20 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: swarthyguy
Such language! Oh, me virgin ears (or eyes or whatever)!
14 posted on 07/02/2003 5:32:56 PM PDT by freebilly (I think they've misunderestimated us....)
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To: freebilly
YEAH, BABY! (you get points for spelling though)
15 posted on 07/02/2003 5:33:17 PM PDT by RedQuill
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To: freebilly
Thank You Come Again!
16 posted on 07/02/2003 5:33:27 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
no, u r
17 posted on 07/02/2003 5:34:40 PM PDT by xrp
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To: swarthyguy; happygrl; keri
WHo's the Saudi ButtBoy?
18 posted on 07/02/2003 5:34:50 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
What is it that inspires a person to investigate a 13 ton blob of "decomposing lumpy gray flesh" and attempt to determine its origin? I am missing this trait.
19 posted on 07/02/2003 5:35:13 PM PDT by squidly
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To: RedQuill
Nadler the Hutt....
20 posted on 07/02/2003 5:35:57 PM PDT by freebilly (I think they've misunderestimated us....)
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To: swarthyguy
Thank You Come Again!

In the social or the sexual sense?

21 posted on 07/02/2003 5:37:11 PM PDT by freebilly (I think they've misunderestimated us....)
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To: squidly
What is it that inspires a person to investigate a 13 ton blob of "decomposing lumpy gray flesh" and attempt to determine its origin? I am missing this trait.

People want to know if it's edible. If it's octopus, it's sushi. If it's not octopus, it might be Monica Lewinsky....

22 posted on 07/02/2003 5:38:47 PM PDT by freebilly (I think they've misunderestimated us....)
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To: shaggy eel
,,, that looks like carpet off a shipwreck.

It's just an old weather balloon.

23 posted on 07/02/2003 5:38:48 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: swarthyguy

Deep-sea monster caught on tape

24 posted on 07/02/2003 5:39:20 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Willie Green
It's just an old weather balloon.

,,, ha! Too thick and bulky for that. Whatever it turns out to be though, it's bound to be endangered.

25 posted on 07/02/2003 5:42:32 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: swarthyguy
It figures the French would try a way around end for their declining food exports.
26 posted on 07/02/2003 5:44:40 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: RightWhale; shaggy eel
That is really ugly, whatever it is.

Perhaps it's a discarded whale condom.

27 posted on 07/02/2003 5:58:58 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: swarthyguy

28 posted on 07/02/2003 5:59:31 PM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
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To: swarthyguy
That's the biggest Coney Island Jellyfish I ever saw.
29 posted on 07/02/2003 6:01:53 PM PDT by kylaka
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To: Willie Green
Perhaps it's a discarded whale condom.

,,, Willie, there's no need for you to sink to my level.

30 posted on 07/02/2003 6:03:51 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: swarthyguy
Cabrera, who is a specialist in submarine photography, took samples of the creature to send to Italy, France and the United States to determine its species.

Italians - It's culture is inferior to ours.

French - This would establish hegemony and we oppose it.

Americans - We will not rest while a single sea terrorist...

31 posted on 07/02/2003 6:05:26 PM PDT by decimon
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To: swarthyguy
Ah heck, it's just Michael Moore having a swim.
32 posted on 07/02/2003 6:05:43 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: Cultural Jihad
Thanks, cool video.
33 posted on 07/02/2003 6:10:25 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Willie Green
My first thought, but I wouldn't want to offend the FRorum by posting such an observation.
34 posted on 07/02/2003 6:50:56 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: Willie Green
From the old Jack Bogut morning show on KDKA AM:

The Slither-Dee-Dee
came out of the sea;
He may get all the others,
but he won't get me!

No he won't get me,
that Slither-Dee-Dee;
he may get all the others but he won't....

35 posted on 07/02/2003 7:35:27 PM PDT by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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To: decimon
Don't send it to the Italians, they'll think it's calamari and eat it...
Don't send it to the French, they'll think it's esscargot(snails, whatever) and eat it...
At least we Americans will not eat it, although we may have no frigging clue what it is.
36 posted on 07/02/2003 7:42:21 PM PDT by cavtrooper21 ("..he's not heavy, sir. He's my brother...")
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To: cavtrooper21
Don't send it to the Italians, they'll think it's calamari and eat it...
Don't send it to the French, they'll think it's esscargot(snails, whatever) and eat it...
At least we Americans will not eat it, although we may have no frigging clue what it is.

It's Hillary

37 posted on 07/02/2003 7:44:57 PM PDT by Gone_Postal
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To: swarthyguy
It's a giant condom from another galaxy.
38 posted on 07/02/2003 8:02:17 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: Gone_Postal
I heard her looks were going but geez.
Has anyone seen Helen Thomas lately?
39 posted on 07/02/2003 8:02:42 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Zoos. Consider the size of the universe and be happy you're not in one.)
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To: squidly
"What is it that inspires a person to investigate a 13 ton blob of "decomposing lumpy gray flesh" and attempt to determine its origin? I am missing this trait".

Well, I decided to investigate a 140 pound blob of unforgiving lumpy flesh, and I ended up marrying her, so count your blessings that you don't have this trait.

40 posted on 07/02/2003 8:05:49 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: RightWhale
The outhouse for the new Clinton Library has just been delivered.

Leni

41 posted on 07/02/2003 8:12:07 PM PDT by MinuteGal (IMPORTANT!..... Next -Year Cruise Notice Just Posted. Click Ship Icon on "Latest Posts" page.)
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To: kylaka
That's the biggest Coney Island Jellyfish I ever saw.

My thoughts as well.
Don't know about the Coney Island part, but the Jellyfish is exactly what I was thinking.
Also note that a dead humpback whale was also found nearby.
My guess is a deep-sea duel to the death.

42 posted on 07/02/2003 8:45:52 PM PDT by Drammach
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To: swarthyguy
WHo's the Saudi ButtBoy?

All of them.

43 posted on 07/03/2003 1:02:47 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: Monty22
Ah heck, it's just Michael Moore having a swim.

Those words are insulting to ugly beached sea blobs everywhere! ;)
44 posted on 07/03/2003 2:05:56 AM PDT by Fawnn (I think therefore I'm halfway there....)
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To: xrp
U right.

I sincerely apologise for my outburst. That reaction was uncalled for on my part.
45 posted on 07/04/2003 9:55:02 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
Oh, my god, Star Jones finally exploded!
46 posted on 07/04/2003 10:20:26 AM PDT by Dionysius
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