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Slavery: Bush won't say sorry
News24 (South Africa) ^ | July 2, 2003 | Deon Lamprecht

Posted on 07/02/2003 5:52:17 PM PDT by fightinJAG

Slavery: Bush won't say sorry 02/07/2003 23:16 - (SA)

Deon Lamprecht

Washington - President George W Bush will not apologise for America's historical role in the slave trade during his Africa visit, White House spokesperson Ari Fleischer said on Wednesday.

On the first leg of his trip next week Bush will visit Goree Island off the coast of Senegal.

Thousands of West Africans were taken off the island and sold as slaves to the New World, including the United States. His itinerary will include a visit to the island's slave fort.

During a daily White House press briefing Fleischer said Bush's speech in Senegal would not include an apology, although the president did regard the island visit an important opportunity to discuss moral questions such as slavery, freedom and democracy.

Some black civil rights leaders have criticised Bush for taking part in an affirmative action case against Michigan University and said he should apologise for slavery on Goree Island, regarded by some in the US as having a profound symbolic significance.

He will also meet various regional African leaders on the island. The democratisation of Africa and trade agreements will feature high on the agenda, said Fleischer.

In Uganda Bush will promote his $15bn Aids plan for Africa, which he said was modelled on the Ugandan approach - a combination of sexual abstinence and education about the use of condoms.

Bush will be accompanied by his wife Laura, who as a former teacher will address school pupils and promote Aids awareness.

The couple will also visit a "famous game reserve", possibly in South Africa or Botswana.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: africa; foreignaid; goreeisland; reparations; slavery
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1 posted on 07/02/2003 5:52:17 PM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: fightinJAG
America did not invent slavery.

America did invent the end to slavery.
2 posted on 07/02/2003 5:54:23 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Happy Independance day! We owe our Freedom to Patriots, like JR.)
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To: fightinJAG
...and some people say this guy doesn't have any balls.
3 posted on 07/02/2003 5:54:38 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: fightinJAG
Are Jesse and Al going to apologize for the massive amounts of assistance African chieftains provided in the slave trade and the profits they made from it?

America has nothing to apologize for, the sin of slavery was absolved by the blood spilled by the young sons of the Confederacy and the Union. It is past.
4 posted on 07/02/2003 5:54:53 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Skywalk
Couldn't have said it better.
5 posted on 07/02/2003 5:55:48 PM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: fightinJAG
America didn't have a role in the slave trade. Of course, you'll never convince the Europeans of that.
6 posted on 07/02/2003 5:56:11 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (consider this post carefully in light of the historical record)
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To: MonroeDNA
Nice sentiment, and though I do agree to some extent, slavery as an institution was being faded out and eliminated in Europe before colonization of the New World.

The slave traders in Africa revitalized the practice with Portugese and Spanish colonies moving to the New World--and thus the cycle started again.

My opinion? Christianity ended slavery.

7 posted on 07/02/2003 5:56:56 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: fightinJAG
In Uganda Bush will promote his $15bn Aids plan for Africa, which he said was modelled on the Ugandan approach - a combination of sexual abstinence and education about the use of condoms.

$15 billion to tell people not to have sex but if they do, to use a condom?

Nice work if you can get it.

8 posted on 07/02/2003 5:57:34 PM PDT by 07055
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To: fightinJAG
Bump!
9 posted on 07/02/2003 5:57:54 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin; Miss Marple

Good.

Bravo Dubya.

10 posted on 07/02/2003 5:57:54 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: fightinJAG
Good.
11 posted on 07/02/2003 5:58:51 PM PDT by rdb3 (Nerve-racking since 0413hrs on XII-XXII-MCMLXXI)
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To: Jhoffa_
Just so you'll know, this would have been a BIG BLACK MARK on Bush for me.
12 posted on 07/02/2003 5:58:58 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I adore this man -- he makes me proud everyday!
13 posted on 07/02/2003 5:59:00 PM PDT by Patriotic Bostonian
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To: fightinJAG
,,, once an apology is extracted, the next step is reparations. Keep those lips buttoned George. No apology is warranted at all.
14 posted on 07/02/2003 5:59:14 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: MonroeDNA
America did invent the end to slavery.

Just a small point...but Great Britain outlawed slavery quite a few years before the US.

Having said that....what the hell does the below statement mean???

sold as slaves to the New World, including the United States.

15 posted on 07/02/2003 5:59:37 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Jhoffa_
And for the record, I never thought he'd even consider it.
16 posted on 07/02/2003 5:59:42 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: MonroeDNA
>>>America did invent the end to slavery. <<<

I think if you look into it, you will find that the British ended the slave trade in their domain about 30-50 years before the Civil War.
17 posted on 07/02/2003 6:00:16 PM PDT by MalcolmS (Do Not Remove This Tagline Under Penalty Of Law!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I adore this man -- he makes me proud everyday!
18 posted on 07/02/2003 6:00:26 PM PDT by Patriotic Bostonian
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To: fightinJAG
Africa should thank America for ending the practice.
19 posted on 07/02/2003 6:00:39 PM PDT by PokeyJoe ( Porky's Mecca)
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To: MonroeDNA

We actually integrated and elevated the slaves.

I have heard, we are the only nation in history to do this on our own initiave.

?

20 posted on 07/02/2003 6:01:30 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: MonroeDNA
Quite right.
21 posted on 07/02/2003 6:03:00 PM PDT by annyokie (The government that governs least, governs best--Thomas Jeffersob)
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To: Howlin

Me also. I am frankly sick and tired of being told to hang MY HEAD for the actions of others.

I am glad he just left this dog lie..

22 posted on 07/02/2003 6:03:02 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: 07055
$15 billion to tell people not to have sex but if they do, to use a condom?

Nice work if you can get it.

LOL -- And are these condoms gold-tipped??

23 posted on 07/02/2003 6:03:38 PM PDT by F16Fighter (Ann Coulter for Attorney General... Joe Scarborough for VP...Tom Tancredo as Homeland Security Chief)
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To: annyokie
fixed
24 posted on 07/02/2003 6:04:07 PM PDT by annyokie (The government that governs least, governs best--Thomas Jefferson)
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To: fightinJAG
I have no interest in myself or my president appologising for decisions or a way of life in which I had no say.
25 posted on 07/02/2003 6:04:22 PM PDT by RLK
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To: 07055
Even 15 billion can't manufacture common sense.
Abstinence requires more than education and a condom requires common sense.
Some problems have no solutions and AIDS seems to be the only threat that (might) change minds.
26 posted on 07/02/2003 6:04:39 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: Focault's Pendulum
Just a small point...but Great Britain outlawed slavery quite a few years before the US.

IIRC, the span was only about 20 years.

27 posted on 07/02/2003 6:05:27 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: MonroeDNA
America did not invent slavery.

Correct

America did invent the end to slavery.

Sorry, not even close. Slavery was peacefully being phased out decades before the 1860s.

28 posted on 07/02/2003 6:07:20 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: fightinJAG
Americans do better than apologize.

WASHINGTON - From now through 2003, up to 35 million people in Africa will need food aid. The U.S. Agency for International Development is working with its partners--the World Food Program, other donors, and the private voluntary community--to deliver up to 2.75 million metric tons of food to help meet this need. In addition, USAID is working with the governments to address longer-term structural problems through agriculture, health, education, and natural resource management programs.

Southern Africa
Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Swaziland, Zambia and Zimbabwe will be in need of humanitarian food aid between now and next year's harvest. Among the principal factors are drought, floods, poor policy and economic mismanagement. A contributing factor is the debilitating rate of HIV/AIDS infection in southern Africa. The United States has delivered or pledged more than 500,000 metric tons of food aid since the beginning of 2002. At a total value of more than $266 million, the U.S. government is the largest donor to the World Food Program's operations in southern Africa.

Horn of Africa
In Ethiopia and Eritrea, millions of people are vulnerable to food shortages brought on by a severe drought. USAID had been monitoring the situation through its Famine Early Warning System, and started sending emergency food assistance in July. Since then, the United States has given $106 million in food assistance to Ethiopia and Eritrea, or over 278,000 metric tons, of food.

Sudan
With the recent cessation of hostilities, and both parties agreeing to unhindered humanitarian access, the World Food Program expects that its caseload will increase significantly. Most recently, USAID contributed 46,030 metric tons of food assistance, an estimated value of $40.1 million.

Angola
Angola requires emergency food assistance during the critical pre-harvest months of December and January. The U.S. government contributed 130,150 metric tons of emergency food commodities, valued at $98 million, to Angola in 2002. USAID has been monitoring the situation in Angola since early 2002 when areas previously inaccessible to humanitarian aid revealed pockets of severe food insecurity.

USAID's Commitment to Africa
To reinforce its development commitment, USAID is launching four new special initiatives this year in Africa: in agriculture, trade, education, and good governance. Increasing agricultural productivity in particular is key to Africa's efforts to reduce widespread poverty. Agriculture is the foundation for most African economies, supporting over 70% of the population and contributing an average of 30% of gross domestic product.

Action, not words.

Again, Dubya makes the right choice.
29 posted on 07/02/2003 6:07:46 PM PDT by JennysCool
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To: fightinJAG
Some black civil rights leaders have criticised Bush for taking part in an affirmative action case against Michigan University and said he should apologise for slavery

I think you bottom feeding black terrorist idiots should free your people and allow them to express themselves with out being called an Uncle Tom. You have done more damage and corrupted more of the young impressionable minds in the black community than lucifer could have ever dreamed of corrupting.

Get a life, Get a real job, move over and let your folks grow and be free. You are the real slave Masters.

31 posted on 07/02/2003 6:09:26 PM PDT by chachacha
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To: fightinJAG
During a daily White House press briefing Fleischer said Bush's speech in Senegal would not include an apology, although the president did regard the island visit an important opportunity to discuss moral questions such as slavery, freedom and democracy.

MEMO TO DUBYA:

Slavery: BAD

Freedom: GOOD

Democracy: GOOD

32 posted on 07/02/2003 6:09:32 PM PDT by F16Fighter (Ann Coulter for Attorney General... Joe Scarborough for VP...Tom Tancredo as Homeland Security Chief)
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To: Howlin
Just so you'll know, this would have been a BIG BLACK MARK on Bush for me.

Say what?!?! You mean there is actually a way for ol' Dub to look bad in your eyes? LOL Howlin, there's hope for you yet!!

And you know I'm just pickin' on you in fun

34 posted on 07/02/2003 6:09:54 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: MonroeDNA
"America did invent the end to slavery."

Actually, Great Britain outlawed chattel slavery throughout the British Empire well before the US Civil War (though "economic" slavery continued). The US "did" invent the end of slavery on its own territory.

35 posted on 07/02/2003 6:10:49 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: fightinJAG
President George W Bush will not apologise for America's historical role in the slave trade during his Africa visit, White House spokesperson Ari Fleischer said on Wednesday.

Didn't we take care of this with the last administration?
37 posted on 07/02/2003 6:12:10 PM PDT by gitmo (I'm sorry. I lost my short-term memory in the '60s. No drugs .. just lost it somewhere.)
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To: fightinJAG
Billy Jeff already apologized.
39 posted on 07/02/2003 6:14:37 PM PDT by mass55th (i)
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To: fightinJAG
What would he have to apologize for? He had nothing to do with slavery.
40 posted on 07/02/2003 6:15:53 PM PDT by reformed_dem (For office use only)
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To: fightinJAG
Bush should apologize for slavery when black america apologizes for destroying practically every major city by subsidizing the drug trade and creating crime rates that make most urban areas intolerable and unlivable.

Trace

P.S. I'm not really serious, but my idea is about as sensical as the notion of forcing all Americans to apologize for what other people did hundreds of years ago.

41 posted on 07/02/2003 6:16:15 PM PDT by Trace21230 (Ideal MOAB test site: Paris)
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To: billbears
The USA is the only country, to my knowledge, to officially rebuke and legislate against slavery.
42 posted on 07/02/2003 6:18:40 PM PDT by annyokie (Taglines? Taglines! We don't need no stinking taglines!)
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To: fightinJAG
I am an American Indian. I suppose if I were a Liberal I would ask President Bush to apologize for taking my country. But hey, I'm a conservative so lets get on with life. I'm sure Bush didn't kill any Indians nor did he own any slaves. I'm sure if he did it would have been in the N.Y. Times.
43 posted on 07/02/2003 6:19:20 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: MonroeDNA
America did invent the end to slavery.

That's a bit of a stretch. Western civilization put an end to slavery. America wasn't exactly in the vanguard, but we were part of the fight against slavery, and have nothing to apologize for.

44 posted on 07/02/2003 6:19:31 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: fightinJAG
For those who know their history, expecting President Bush to apologise for slavery in Africa is hilarious.
45 posted on 07/02/2003 6:19:49 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Read Hillary's hips. I never had sex with that woman.")
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To: seamole
Yes, but I believe we are the only nation ever to wage war for slavery's abolition

Actually that's not true

Dozens of countries, including the possessions of British, French, and Spanish empires ended slavery peacefully during the late eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. Only in the United States was warfare associated with emancipation. There was violence in some other countries during the abolition of slavery, but as Fogel and Engerman point out,"In countries such as Colombia and Venezuela the emancipation of slaves became an instrument of the revolutionaries who sought state power"; it was not motivated by a desire for emancipation per se.--The Real Lincoln, DiLorenzo
Columbia and Venezuela went through the same thing, however in their cases, it was seen as an attempt by revolutionaries to gain power and change the direction of the nation.
46 posted on 07/02/2003 6:21:39 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: fish hawk
Well, it could be in the N.Y. Times even if Bush didn't do it! lol
47 posted on 07/02/2003 6:22:22 PM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: fightinJAG
Oh thank you Mr. President!!!!!
48 posted on 07/02/2003 6:23:31 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: seamole
...to Brazil, and to Spanish, French and British colonies?

Of course...thank you.

50 posted on 07/02/2003 6:24:48 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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