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Anti-smoking lobby steams over report
The Vancouver Sun ^ | Monday, June 30, 2003 | Peter McKnight

Posted on 07/03/2003 7:58:02 AM PDT by Just another Joe

Anti-smoking lobby steams over report

Peter McKnight

Vancouver Sun

Monday, June 30, 2003

What if I told you there's a group of people who have been blamed for countless thousands of deaths, yet there's precious little evidence of their guilt?

"Demand an inquiry," you'd say, "Overhaul the system that implicated them!"

But what if I then told you the people are smokers and the thousands of dead were alleged victims of second-hand smoke?

"Oh," you'd say, "you're in bed with the cloven-hoofed cabal running the tobacco companies aren't you?"

That's precisely the reaction researchers James Enstrom and Geoffrey Kabat received after they published a study on the effects of second-smoke in a recent issue of the British Medical Journal.

Using data gathered by the American Cancer Society, the authors followed more than 35,500 non-smoking spouses of smokers for 40 years. I'm sure the long suffering non-smokers had a lot of cigarette burns on their clothing, but the study discovered they weren't at a significantly increased risk of death.

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(Excerpt) Read more at canada.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: antismoker; butts; niconazi; pufflist; smoke; smoking; smokingbans
Anti-smoker screed

Report that says ETS is not so bad - BAD

Report that says ETS is the cause of all evil and death on the planet - GOOD

1 posted on 07/03/2003 7:58:03 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: *puff_list; SheLion; Gabz; Flurry; Max McGarrity
Puff
2 posted on 07/03/2003 7:59:07 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe
bumping
3 posted on 07/03/2003 8:11:23 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Read Buddy's, (the labrador retriever), new book about the Clintons, "Living Hell")
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To: Just another Joe
Isn't it fascinating that smoking is so religiously attacked by the loonies and homosexual sodomy that leads so often to AIDS and numerous other diseases is a sacred cow above reproach.

We all know how to stop smoking-related illnesses: stop smoking. Solution? banishment, humiliation, constant barrage of criticism

We all know how to prevent almost 98% of AIDS transmissions: stop using dirty needles and stop homosexual sexual activity. Solution? Supreme Court endorsement (and, therefore, encouragement) to continue that disgusting behavior, and society's fear of recrimination if it passes a judgement on that type of behavior.

But smoking is the big bad evil. I don't smoke, but I'd rather be in a room full of smokers than . . . well you know where I'm going.
4 posted on 07/03/2003 8:12:38 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Just another Joe
Bah, I have been trashed for years pointing out that when all this began there were never any peer-reviewed studies to prove that point of view.

Even as the opinionated jogged by the roadside, inhaling dibenzopyrenes and other proven cancer-causing compounds, while screaming about second hand smoke.

Years ago we noticed a sudden rise in people complaining about "Being allergic to smoke".

Response: "What ELSE did the Boston Globe tell you to think this morning?"

5 posted on 07/03/2003 8:15:52 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
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To: laweeks
But smoking is the big bad evil. I don't smoke, but I'd rather be in a room full of smokers than . . . well you know where I'm going.

I suppose both are OK, as long as you remain seated....

6 posted on 07/03/2003 8:17:05 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
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To: Just another Joe
Imagine that! No matter what the results of a 40 year study of THOUSANDS, we still can't believe the results of the study.

Additionally, the very people who funded the study question it's veracity. Why?

7 posted on 07/03/2003 8:19:01 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Just another Joe
Just curious. Why is this excerpted? Does the LAT or WP own this Canadian paper as well?
8 posted on 07/03/2003 8:19:20 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Just another Joe
Dang. Can't believe they didn't commit sewerside like V. Foster, after discovering the truth. Smoke Nazi's will get them now. Gotta go smoke.
9 posted on 07/03/2003 8:39:37 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Read Buddy's, (the labrador retriever), new book about the Clintons, "Living Hell")
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To: Drew68
Why is this excerpted?

It's possible. I just didn't want to take the chance on this newspaper because it's one I am unfamiliar with.

10 posted on 07/03/2003 8:48:02 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: laweeks
We all know how to stop smoking-related illnesses: stop smoking.

And here we are not even talking about smoking. We're talking about ETS, or second hand smoke.
ETS is where the premis comes for all the smoking bans throughout the country.

11 posted on 07/03/2003 8:49:50 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Sunshine Sister
Additionally, the very people who funded the study question it's veracity. Why?

Just like the WHO study, it doesn't say what they wanted it to say.
From what I understand the ACS funded this until the last 2 to 4 years of the study. When they saw it was going against what they wanted it to say the defunded it posthaste.
At that point the scientists went looking for other funding.

12 posted on 07/03/2003 8:52:57 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe
I just didn't want to take the chance on this newspaper because it's one I am unfamiliar with.

I guess you got a point. I've seen stories from the Podunk Hillbilly Gazette excerpted by the mods becaus it turns out the WP owns the PHG.

It sucks because I hate excerpts and am myself too lazy to search out all the possible holdings of the WP and the LAT.

Oh well, I'll just have to get used to it.

13 posted on 07/03/2003 8:53:47 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Gorzaloon
LOL!!!
14 posted on 07/03/2003 8:54:39 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Sunshine Sister
Additionally, the very people who funded the study question it's veracity. Why?

Only the first 38 years of the study were funded by the antis - they saw which way the results were going and so pulled the funding. The researchers wanted to finish the study and so went in search of further funding. unfortunately part of that money, a very small part, came from the tobacco industry.

It doesn't matter to the antis that this was there study that they abandoned because they didn't like the results - as far as they are concerned this is a tobacco industry study and the researchers are tobacco industry stooges.

15 posted on 07/03/2003 8:55:20 AM PDT by Gabz (anti-smokers = personification of everything wrong in this country)
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To: Just another Joe
GMTA
16 posted on 07/03/2003 8:56:31 AM PDT by Gabz (anti-smokers = personification of everything wrong in this country)
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To: Gorzaloon
I suppose both are OK, as long as you remain seated....

With your mouth shut! ;^)

17 posted on 07/03/2003 8:57:14 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe
Before the Vietnam War, we didn't worry about who was overweight, who smoked, or who drank. We had lots of overweight people who smoked and drank throughout America, but it was nobody's business if they did so. Surpringly, there's been no statistics to show that ETS was in any way damaging to anyone back then. In the good old days, Mom and Pop probably smoked at home and in the car. And no one got sick from ETS. If you went into a meeting at work, almost EVERYBODY smoked. And no one got sick from ETS.

We've turned ourselves into such weinies in this country that it's almost impossible to go anywhere and not see people wearing kneepads, elbowpads, and crash helmets that look like bedpans for just about all outdoor activities. Our children's playgrounds are covered with soft fluffy wood chips to prevent injuries. People become almost religiously indignant if someone lights up a cigarette or cigar. When will this nonsense stop?
18 posted on 07/03/2003 9:05:53 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: laweeks
When will this nonsense stop?

when the tide turns and the ox being gored belongs to a large group of the weinies pushing these things down the throats of people with common sense.

19 posted on 07/03/2003 9:10:12 AM PDT by Gabz (anti-smokers = personification of everything wrong in this country)
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To: Just another Joe
From what I understand the ACS funded this until the last 2 to 4 years of the study. When they saw it was going against what they wanted it to say the defunded it posthaste.

A few weeks ago, just after this study made the news, The Wall Street Journal ran a letter to editor by a scientist who had done a study of second-hand smoke back in the 70s, funded by, I think, the American Lung Association (if not that, another anti-smoking zealot org). He completed the study, finding that an hour in a smoke-filled room (the letter pointed out that you could still find them in the 70s) was the equivalent of smoking .004 (or maybe .0004) cigarettes. The sponsor of the study did at least pay for it, but it was never released.

20 posted on 07/03/2003 9:12:46 AM PDT by maryz
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To: laweeks
Our children's playgrounds are covered with soft fluffy wood chips to prevent injuries.

I can remember when the playgrounds at SCHOOL were covered with the big river gravel.
Talk about road rash!

21 posted on 07/03/2003 9:14:11 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: maryz
the reason it wasn't released is that it doesn't confomr to the anti-mantra that "if you can see or smell it, it is killing you."

22 posted on 07/03/2003 9:15:10 AM PDT by Gabz (anti-smokers = personification of everything wrong in this country)
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To: maryz
I remember seeing that.
The antis countered with, "Testing equipment in the 70's was not sensitive enough to measure that."
But of course nowadays it is so when the Oak Ridge National Labratorys did a study of the same type and came up with a similar answer, what did the antis say then?
"NO amount of smoke is safe!"
23 posted on 07/03/2003 9:17:10 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe
JaJ, another reason for the antis turning against the ORNL study, which was commissioned by the Federal Government, was that at somewhere along the lines one of the researchers/authors had testified against the dangers of SHS on behalf of a tobacco company. And had also done some research for one of them.

As you know that automatically means nothing he says about the subject will be accepted by the anti cartel.
24 posted on 07/03/2003 9:19:40 AM PDT by Gabz (anti-smokers = personification of everything wrong in this country)
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To: Gabz
BUMP
25 posted on 07/03/2003 9:24:19 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Gabz
The fact that they unfunded the study is a glaring indication of the real agenda of the anti's and I'm delighted that they were to dumb to see what they were doing to themselves.
26 posted on 07/03/2003 10:00:08 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Sunshine Sister
I agree.

Unfortunately they have the media clout to get that part of the situation buried at the end of a story, if not totally ignored.

By refusing to own up to not only the fact they unfunded it, but the reason, what they say about the tobacco funding is the only thing that is being heard about this study.

It's nauseating how even more sheeplike the media is when it comes to the antis than the sheeple themselves.
27 posted on 07/03/2003 10:07:33 AM PDT by Gabz (anti-smokers = personification of everything wrong in this country)
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To: Gabz
I wouldn't feel to bad about the media bias. The word in getting out through this forum and maybe through Rush and Shawn. We are every where and we can't be stopped any more.
That makes me grin!
28 posted on 07/03/2003 10:18:29 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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