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In God we trust (Coulter:Conservatives by and large believe in God, Liberals believe they are Gods)
Worldnetdaily ^ | 7/4/03 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 07/04/2003 2:16:23 AM PDT by DPB101

Liberals despise hearing it! In fact they have worked hard to have the truth of it erased from public life. But it is true nonetheless.

After spending nearly a half hour of my radio show on the topic of Joseph McCarthy and the revolutionary claims set forth in her book, Ann Coulter bowled me over when I asked her the following question: "Ann, why do liberals hate conservatives in 2003 America?"

Her answer was a simple one, and then the clock ran out and she was gone. But that simple answer stirred the pot, and it echoed what this column had proclaimed merely weeks ago.

"Conservatives, by and large believe in God, and liberals believe they are gods," came the reply.

The basic gist of the idea is easy enough to understand. But let me clean up the edges for those of you who will yell about speaking in generalities. For truth to ever be understood – generalities must be used. In the end, generalities must also be proven on some scale or a new generality will replace it.

My stunned silence at Ann's answer was reaffirmation of a conclusion I had come to a long time ago. By liberals, Ann and I are both referring to those who make up liberal ideology – the radical activists within the Democratic Party. They have been on the wrong side of history – at least American history – primarily because they have been on the wrong side of God. What Ann is just coming to realize as a constitutional attorney, I have been realizing as a theologian for some time – absolute truth is knowable, and expected to be understood and followed.

So does this argument mean that Republicans never make mistakes or are on the wrong side? No! And when they do, they are less conservative in making such judgments. I also believe that there are very many Joe and Susie farmroad Democrats in America that philosophically are more conservative than liberal.

What is perilously unfortunate is that many of these folks lend their political votes and will to radical ideologues such as the Clintons, out of ignorance or presuppositions that may be perceived but not verifiable. (Democrats care more about poor people, Democrats care more about race relations, Democrats are more fair or – my favorite – I've been a Democrat all my life and I will never be anything other than a Democrat. All of these make compelling reasons, do they not?)

But all of this being the case carries no meaning on whether the statement is any less true.

Liberal elites, Bill and Hillary Clinton, James Carville, Jesse Jackson, Terry McCaulliffe, Diane Feinstein and others are far more radical in their beliefs than they ever betray to the public – although it is nearly unavoidable, because through policy they betray their thought process. They believe that the state (similarly to socialism) is the great giver. Conservatives believe that God is.

Liberal elites believe that morality is merely a matter of opinion. Conservatives believe God established this world and therefore morality is not up for debate but has narrow and specific limits to it.

Liberals believe that taking an innocent person's life is allowable in the process of gaining power. Conservatives believe that innocent life should be protected – and that each loss of innocent life is tragic.

Liberals believe that a family is "whoever you would like to have sex with" being allowed to do so. Conservatives believe that a family is one man, one woman, a covenant before God – and raising children in the safety of that healthy home.

Liberals believe that they hold divine wisdom in how the money that everybody else earns should be spent. Conservatives believe that the Creator has given them the stewardship of how they should control their priorities on how to spend the money they have earned.

In essence, liberals believe that they are gods and should be allowed to control your actions, beliefs, money and future. Conservatives, in essence, believe that God has granted us life and that in each life He has charged us with the task of being stewards of our own choices.

I have no doubt that I will receive more hate mail from this column than any other I have ever written. Frankly I don't care. It is not up to the demagogues to instruct me on how to think. Liberals' ultimate goal is to shut down all opposing voices that counter their power-hungry rhetoric. But the truth must be told nonetheless.

You may not buy into the idea that liberals have a hard time dealing with truth. You may be of the opinion that "just seeing things different" is a sophisticated enough explanation for how liberals go about life. I beg to differ.

Hugh Hewitt documented in his recent column, "Democrats Will Get You Killed" how James Carville had a hard time even seeing the truth when hard physical evidence was laid directly before his eyes. Hillary Clinton's book has recently been debunked, not just by Ann Coulter, but by men who knew her well, such as Dick Morris and Sydney Blumenthal. And the Rev. Jesse Jackson is continuing to betray his supposed Christian beliefs by pressuring his named replacement for Operation Push, James T. Meeks, to go against his own Christian beliefs and vote in favor of homosexual license.

Liberal elites have no moral anchor and, I guess by nature, have difficulty understanding what virtue looks like.

Conservatives must wake up. Conservatives must speak up. For if they do not, their apathy will cause them to lose the very freedoms that they love so much today. And in doing so, the phrase "In God We Trust" will be nothing more than an outdated mantra of time before the world can remember.

And that friend, will be the saddest day of all.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News
KEYWORDS: coulter; faith
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1 posted on 07/04/2003 2:16:23 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
They have been on the wrong side of history ? at least American history ? primarily because they have been on the wrong side of God.

Well that's certainly a strong statement.
2 posted on 07/04/2003 2:34:38 AM PDT by lelio
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To: DPB101
Although I agree with this article I have one quibble. Must you be religious to be conservative? I am not a believer. But experience has taught me that man's nature (and mine) is deeply flawed; what the religious would call fallen. It is from that realization that humility, and conservatism, flow. After all, if man is flawed, a resistance to unchecked power in the name of some utopian goal, follows. That is the essence of the conservative temperament.

All I am saying, is that conservatism's ranks would be greatly enlarged, if it were not equated exclusively with those who have religious belief.
3 posted on 07/04/2003 2:50:23 AM PDT by ricpic
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To: DPB101
Well said - the crux of the matter, in my view.

Thanks for the post.

4 posted on 07/04/2003 2:51:30 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!!!)
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To: DPB101
[Liberal elites] believe that the state (similarly to socialism) is the great giver. Conservatives believe that God is.
Liberal elites want lust for credit for making the state the great giver. And they want fear of (but not effective political opposition to) their making the state the great taker.

They lust for power.


5 posted on 07/04/2003 3:04:27 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: ricpic
Even though I know many non-religious conservatives like yourself, I feel that the essential thesis of the article is metaphorically true -- and that you have the right of it as well.

"God," as used here, is the source of invariant laws that cannot be swept aside at whim or repealed by an act of some legislature. Such laws can only proceed from a fundamental, objective reality that inheres in all things. Catholics, among others, call it Natural Law and strive to conform to it.

If you believe in such a Law, then you must also accept that there are inescapable consequences for trying to violate it -- that your intentions, no matter how benign, are essentially irrelevant. It's an expression of humility, an admission that your powers and understanding are finite.

Therein lies the cleavage between conservatives and liberals. No liberal will admit that intentions don't matter in determining the effects from a specified cause. No liberal will admit that there are processes beyond his ability to curb by political means.

It's less a religious matter, strictly speaking, than a matter of self-exaltation.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit the Palace Of Reason:
http://palaceofreason.com

6 posted on 07/04/2003 3:04:39 AM PDT by fporretto (This tagline is programming you in ways that will not be apparent for years. Forget! Forget!)
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To: ricpic
experience has taught me that man's nature (and mine) is deeply flawed; what the religious would call fallen. It is from that realization that humility, and conservatism, flow.
Quite.

It is also true that Christian doctrine teaches that our sin is simultaneously crucial--implying seperation from God--and unimportant, because accounted for by the blood of Christ to those whose humility allows them to accept God's gift of it.

And that such humility is itself a gift of God, in the person of the Holy Spirit.


7 posted on 07/04/2003 3:14:01 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: ricpic
Although I agree with this article I have one quibble. Must you be religious to be conservative?

Not that I see. For reasons I cannot fathom however, many secular conservatives see those who are faithful as a threat. I don't understand that. They should be allies. The more people who look to a higher power than the state, the better off everyone is. Rather than encourage believers in their faith, secular conservatives seem to spend more time arguing with them, calling them superstitious or irrational and trying to draw them away from their faith.

Of course this goes the other way too...but Christians do have a duty to proselytize--doing so is an integral part of their faith. Secular conservatives may feel such an impluse but there is really no reason for it. Better off to let believers be and be glad they aren't looking to government to solve all their problems.

8 posted on 07/04/2003 3:21:33 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
Liberals think they are gods in that they believe if they get enough power they can legislate human nature. In reality, as history proves, when they get enough power they legislate human misery. May the God of love and mercy be with us all.
9 posted on 07/04/2003 3:23:39 AM PDT by abclily
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To: DPB101
Liberals are moral relativists. Of course they don't believe in organized religion. The ACLU is busy trying to stamp out God from America. Giving credence to the idea that society has values from past generations worth preserving is anathema to liberals. Especially when it goes under the yardstick of right and wrong. Liberals believe man is the ultimate repository of wisdom, authority, and action. Liberals believe progress is the motor of history and every thing that stands against it is to be swept out of its path. So no, liberals and conservatives have nothing in common. Unless there are some weak kneed Republicans ("useful idiots," as Lenin scornfully called such types) who want to advance the liberal agenda, the Left has no use for us. To put it bluntly we are their enemy.
10 posted on 07/04/2003 3:33:01 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: DPB101
you know the rules....(sigh)

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11 posted on 07/04/2003 3:57:34 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: DPB101; billbears; 4ConservativeJustices
Conservatives, by and large believe in God, and liberals believe they are gods," came the reply.

How simply put, LoL! Happy 4th to all...

12 posted on 07/04/2003 4:15:34 AM PDT by Ff--150 (100-Fold Return)
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To: ricpic
Although I agree with this article I have one quibble. Must you be religious to be conservative?

The article does not imply anything of the kind. Ann's quote is, "Conservatives, by and large, believe in God."

No one said that it's a requirement.

13 posted on 07/04/2003 4:42:59 AM PDT by alnick (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: DPB101
For anyone who wishes to pursue this issue (and it's consequences) in depth, I suggest Chuck Colson's "How Now Shall We Live". He lays out the issues with great clarity and provides factual evidence for the truth.

When I get some time, I will post some excerpts. Every page is great but there is particulary excellent chapter on judicial activism in the last thirty yeas. Not only does he reference specific cases but he presents the genesis of the activism as well as the consequences.

14 posted on 07/04/2003 5:03:09 AM PDT by Pete
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To: RaceBannon
Race, if we could Photoshop wings to that picture, we would know what an angel looks like.

Hope you are mending well. Happy 4th to you.
15 posted on 07/04/2003 5:23:14 AM PDT by exit82 (Constitution?--I got your Constitution right here!--T. Daschle)
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To: ricpic
Although I agree with this article I have one quibble. Must you be religious to be conservative?

I think that's a "major" quibble and I find myself in the same position. Although I consider myself a staunch conservative my logic and intellect will not permit me to believe in many of the dogmas of the various religions.

Belief in a divine being is one thing. Belief in religion is totally different...IMO.

16 posted on 07/04/2003 5:25:12 AM PDT by evad (Hitlary..lying..It's WHAT she does, it's ALL she does and she WON'T stop...EVER!!)
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To: ricpic
John Adams had some great things to say about it:

"It is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. Religion and virtue are the only foundations ... of republicanism and of all free governments."

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . ... Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

17 posted on 07/04/2003 6:17:56 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: ricpic
All I am saying, is that conservatism's ranks would be greatly enlarged, if it were not equated exclusively with those who have religious belief.

What do you suggest?

18 posted on 07/04/2003 6:48:51 AM PDT by shiva
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To: lelio; Ahban; MississippiMan; Canadian Outrage; PeaceBeWithYou
"Well that's certainly a strong statement."

Strong yes, but it is because it is true. I have been saying this for years. The reason they work so hard against Christians and Christian beliefs is that they are the only thing standing in the way of liberalism/socialism completely dominating our way of life in America. Think about it. As the Scriptures say, no one can serve two masters for he will love the one and hate the other. As long as there are people who worship the true God and take Him at His word and proclaim His word in a way as to influence others, the evil designs of the liberal ideology cannot be fully implemented, therefore Christians are a constant obstruction on the road to their socialist utopia. They believe that if they can at least drive the Christians underground and out of the public eye, while at the same time disseminating the notion among an increasingly unchurched population that the Bible teaches hate, they will have it licked.

Their lack of understanding is glaring. In fairness to those who are simply deceived, I do not believe for a minute that their own feeble little brains concocted such notions, but that the archetype was birthed in the pit of hell and is nurtured by Satan himself. Their leaders are often evil personified, such as the Clintons, and most of us wouldn't even be surprised to see horns pop right out of their heads at some point in the middle of one of their obfuscation speeches. Their followers though, are most often either adherents to some imaginary notion that their Robin Hood ideology will somehow make life better for the perpetually castigated underclass and that absolute equality breeds content. Still others are just mindless idiots who either cannot or will not think for themselves and will gladly follow the one with the greatest emotional appeal, which will almost always be the democrats. What they fail to understand is that such a system as they dream of, at the point of becoming self-sustaining, would cast off its enablers as surely as the womb expels the afterbirth following the delivery of a child. They would then become as much a part of the slave class as the rest of us, all working to support the new elites. At that point, any church, not state approved, would be forbidden because the truth of God's word would be an abiding threat even then.

19 posted on 07/04/2003 7:46:32 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: DPB101; fporretto; conservatism_IS_compassion; alnick; evad; robertpaulsen; shiva
I have been secular my whole life. As far as I can tell, some believe, others don't. I know that that sounds simple minded. But we are talking about a mystery here. Some respond. Some don't. Or put more accurately, some aren't aware of that which is overwhelming to others.

At the risk of being called a materialist I would almost say that some have a belief "gene" which others lack.

Without falling into "can't we all just get along" drivel, it does seem to me that each party should be able to acknowledge that the other can arrive at a legitimate conservative stance, coming from a different perspective relative to faith. And yet this rarely happens.

I do acknowledge that what undergirds most conservative thought is faith based: There is a God. Man is made in God's image. Therefore Man (in his essence) is sacred. Conservative thought follows from that apprehension.

But can you be legitimately conservative without having faith? Can you, without faith, treat other men not as things, but as finally unknowable not be transgressed on others? I don't see why not.
20 posted on 07/04/2003 8:23:47 AM PDT by ricpic
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To: ricpic
I make a motion that every believer reading this pray that you, ricpic, WILL become a believer. :-)

Happy 4th, my friend.

MM
21 posted on 07/04/2003 8:32:32 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: sweetliberty
Good post, Lib. Let me add to it by saying this is also the precise reason that the "separation of church and state" that liberals are so fond of, is in reality a separation of CHRISTIAN church and state. Satan is behind that movement, and Christ is the ONLY player who worries him. You would think he would at least put on a more theatrical performance, to give at least the appearance that the problem is with ALL "churches," but he doesn't. His hatred and FEAR of Christ bleeds through and dominates the agenda. Man, I hope I'm privvy to actually witness him being chunked into the hole.

MM
22 posted on 07/04/2003 8:43:30 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: MississippiMan
"the "separation of church and state" that liberals are so fond of, is in reality a separation of CHRISTIAN church and state"

Well, that was implicit in my post, but perhaps I should have clarified. And the reason being that "there is no other name under heaven by which men can be saved." I dare say that Satan knows the scriptures better than most Christians.

"You would think he would at least put on a more theatrical performance, to give at least the appearance that the problem is with ALL "churches," but he doesn't."

Yes, but as always he is blinded by his pride, which is why, despite his best designs, God, and by association, Christians, are always one step ahead of him. He gets cocky and blows it for himself. Perhaps the scripture, "pride goeth before a fall," doesn't only apply to humans.

23 posted on 07/04/2003 8:59:22 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: ricpic
But can you be legitimately conservative without having faith?

Absolutely, at least in my case :-) I believe in a higher being but have never found any certain religion that felt like "the one".

I'm a broken-glass conservative entirely due to my strong convictions in a basic right vs. wrong, individual liberty, personal responsibility, an obligation to treat other humans well, and from reading philosophers of government such as John Locke and Plato...

Religion completely aside, Liberalism contradicts all my personal values.

24 posted on 07/04/2003 9:19:43 AM PDT by Tamzee (Peace is the prerogative of the victorious, not the vanquished.... Churchill)
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To: DPB101
In essence, conservatives believe in the 10 commandments, and in particular, the one stating "Thou shalt have no other gods before me".

The wire rimmed, dope smoking, bearded, elitist liberal professors on our college campi want for a god to cover their asses, legitimizing & justifying their every desire.

Two quotes explaining liberalism:

"The boy's been educated beyond his intellegence."
..............................................................Cartoon character Foghorn Leghorn

"God created man in his image...Hollywood Liberals are returning the favor."
.....................................................................Anonymous Bumpersticker

25 posted on 07/04/2003 9:21:58 AM PDT by Wondervixen (Ask for her by name--Accept no substitutes!)
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To: ricpic; Tamsey
There is an archetypical secular conservative in the America tradition. Usually a guy. A swamp Yankee stoic, a Lee Marvin cowboy, a rugged individualist who is very uncomfortable around preachers but when the occasion arises, gives due deference to religion out of respect for tradition, to honor the women folk and to set an example for children. He hasn't been appearing in many Hollywood films lately. But he was once a staple.
26 posted on 07/04/2003 10:10:18 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
Yeah, Sick Willie and Hillary are "gods" as in the campy Clash of the Titans mode. You would need Ray Harryhausen or one of the Japanese film miniature artists of the Godzilla/UltraMan tradition to render them divine.
27 posted on 07/04/2003 10:13:01 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Bill and Miss Hillary are the smartest people in the whole wide world. That is the liberal criterion for becoming a deity.
28 posted on 07/04/2003 10:15:36 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
And Jimmy Carter was a brilliant, Nobel-genius-level Nookyooler injahneer. For some weird reason, they think these megalomaniacal former student council types (with psychotically huge Oedipus complexes) who read National Geographic as kids should rule the world. It doesn't take much to figure out who started the idea that liberals are really smart people...

Would a smart man desire Monica Lewinsky? Think about it...

29 posted on 07/04/2003 10:28:30 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: DPB101
If "liberals" are so smart, why do their policies always result in something like a cross between Mad Max, BladeRunner, and Soylent Green?
30 posted on 07/04/2003 10:36:04 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: alnick
"No one said that it's a requirement."

You're right. No one said it, but it is a requirement if you want to know the secret handshake and get the decoder ring so you can come to the secret VWRC meetings. ;-)

31 posted on 07/04/2003 10:48:58 AM PDT by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: Badray
Don't forget the black RingWraith robes. And...

"Assume...the position..."
THWACK!!!
"Thank you, Sir, may I have another?!"

32 posted on 07/04/2003 10:55:46 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: sweetliberty
The reason they work so hard against Christians and Christian beliefs is that they are the only thing standing in the way of liberalism/socialism completely dominating our way of life in America. ...Their lack of understanding is glaring. In fairness to those who are simply deceived, I do not believe for a minute that their own feeble little brains concocted such notions, but that the archetype was birthed in the pit of hell and is nurtured by Satan himself. 19 posted on 07/04/2003 7:46 AM PDT by sweetliberty

Well, if you are a Christian, it makes sense. And the realization nearly drove poor Brent Bozell insane. Satan is in fact the head puppet master of liberal banality. In the traditional formula, the "darkening of the intellect and the weakening of the will" are entwined in the supernatural "mystery of iniquity." Powers and principalities in the language of St. Paul. And Lucifer can present himself in the guise of an "Angel of Light." The gradual process of wearing one down through falsehoods, lies, and sin is well-documented. A liberal is essentially spiritually retarded and the dupe of a master of deception.

As in....
Did Communists Infiltrate the Church?http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/811370/posts

33 posted on 07/04/2003 11:16:57 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
"A liberal is essentially spiritually retarded"

LOL! Good description.

34 posted on 07/04/2003 11:23:54 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Lacking the basic ABCs of the Gospel, Christian catechism, or the spiritual/metaphysical nature of man, liberals are indeed spiritual retards. It's quite sad actually. As Lord Acton said of the anti-Christian revolutionaries of the French Enlightenment, some arguments can only be engaged with "prayer and fasting." We should actually pray for them...while continuing to ridicule and satirize their demonic ideological opinions and the dystopian travesties of their policies.

Bill Clinton is a classic example of a spiritual retard - enslaved to sin and error, almost bestial in the deformed manifestations of his outrages.

35 posted on 07/04/2003 11:30:00 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
You're right of course, but nothing pricks the conscience on the weak-minded or enrages the demons who drive them quite like mockery.
36 posted on 07/04/2003 11:35:15 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
And admonishing sinners and instructing the ignorant are Christian virtues and "works of mercy." Warning a liberal of the ultimate consequences of their hostile anti-Christian agitation is certainly allowed.
37 posted on 07/04/2003 11:39:07 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
No question there, but how many times do you sound the warning they refuse to heed?
38 posted on 07/04/2003 11:40:33 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: DPB101
Here's proof.

This image is a blow up of one hillary has on her own web site.


39 posted on 07/04/2003 11:43:37 AM PDT by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: sweetliberty
I think there are some center-left types where the ideological commitment is soft and confused. There are others who are hard core and terminal, basically.

The ones who conservatives need to target are the centrist moderates who really don't know what to believe but just tend toward liberal because that seems fashionable or cool. What was the old joke..."A neo-conservative is an old liberal who was mugged..." or something like that. You will see liberals looking around for answers when their wife or husband walks out on them. Liberals stay liberal until they get burned by it. There are guys who are liberal until their daughter starts dating. Those people can be turned. They are just embarrassed to admit how wrong they were.

I have a friend ("Tom") whose wife aborted against his wishes. He's livid and tormented beyond belief. Those people don't want to be liberal any more.

Liberal policies ultimately result in a sort of cross between Mad Max, BladeRunner, and Soylent Green. No one wants to live in a B SciFi/Horror movie. Conservatives and Christians just need to keep pointing these things out and satirizing and lampooning liberal silliness and sophistry. We know Jesus wins in the end.

Conservatives need to keep pointing out how much the family has been eroded, that relativism and nihilism don't work, that the culture war is hurting everyone. There is a lot that can be done with organizing conservatives and Christians in better strategies and avoiding some of the silly extremist postures that the media love to point to as proof that all conservatives are white supremacist gun nuts. There is some need for slightly different political strategies. God knows the Republicans don't solve all the problems. We need someone a little more like Reagan but younger and with a charisma that extends beyond the typical conservative base. In fact, we need a lot of those guys. Every town, every Republican Club, every Church should be on the lookout for organizing the right leaders in more creative ways.

Keeping the message going that liberals are bizarre, weird, strange, deranged, extremist wacko types with a silly and hostile anti-Christian ideology at odds with normal American culture is a tactic which can wear them down and make the liberals act even goofier. Hillary always delivers with some screaming and shouting some bizarre zaniness. They will bury themselves if you give them enough dirt.

As a conservative realist, I suspect things in the culture will continue to decline and get worse before there is any big turnaround. But the social and cultural disasters that liberalism will surely bring will be more evidence of the errors of that ideology.

40 posted on 07/04/2003 12:06:44 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: ricpic
No, You don't have to be "religious" to be Conservative. You can be fiscally conservative but morally bankrupt!! Christianity and religion are NOT the same thing. Religion, which I abhor is nothing but a man made set of rules and regulations. Christianity, on the other hand, is a RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christ. Huge Difference. Jesus himself, called the religious folk, snakes and vipers, white washed sepulchres full of dead men's bones.!! It pays to know the difference.
41 posted on 07/04/2003 2:25:26 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: sweetliberty
Good post Libby.!
42 posted on 07/04/2003 2:27:24 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: sweetliberty
Wow SweetLiberty!!! Your are on a roll this week. Keep the Faith.(Wasn't that a Black Oak Arkansas album?8-)the things that come to the mind)

I am back down here helping with my dad. Are you having any more freeper get togethers?

43 posted on 07/04/2003 3:06:17 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Captain Beyond
"I am back down here helping with my dad. Are you having any more freeper get togethers?"

We are getting together tomorrow afternoon to get something to eat and make plans for FReeping the Hillary booksignings here later this month. Wanna come?

44 posted on 07/04/2003 3:10:10 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: MississippiMan
Satan is behind that movement, and Christ is the ONLY player who worries him.

Very well said. I've long noticed that only the words "Jesus" and "Christ" seem to upset people. Christmas becomes "holiday" or "winter break." George W. Bush says that Jesus is the philosopher who most influenced him, and people have a cow over it. He probably could have said "God" and people wouldn't have been nearly so upset. Even on shows like "Touched By An Angel," they say "God," but never, EVER "Jesus" or "Christ." That is the big taboo. And of course, nobody complains about mentions of Allah, Buddah, etc. We must be tolerant and inclusive, after all! Oh, sure, people can say "God bless you" or "God bless America," and it's tolerated and even makes people feel warm and fuzzy. But Jesus Christ is the name that is banned.

As annoying as this is, I also find it strangely comforting. It's so obvious that Satan is targeting Jesus, and only Jesus, that it proves beyond a doubt that Jesus must be the only way to the Father! Hopefully others will take notice of this, as well.

45 posted on 07/04/2003 3:42:41 PM PDT by Nea Wood ("If a President of the United States ever lied to the American people, he should resign." -- Bubba)
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To: Wondervixen
In essence, conservatives believe in the 10 commandments, and in particular, the one stating "Thou shalt have no other gods before me".

Exactly. One can be totally secular and derive meaning from that. "Other gods" doesn't have to be a Golden Calf. It can be work, booze, sex and, often, oneself. Conservatism is knowing limits, in giving attention and respect where due.

46 posted on 07/04/2003 3:43:57 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
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47 posted on 07/04/2003 3:44:51 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Nea Wood
I have always noticed that also. Ever wonder where the swear words Jesus Christ came from???? Why not Buddha! or something else. It's really satanically motivated speech.
48 posted on 07/04/2003 3:54:20 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: sweetliberty
Lib, your post reminds me of something I've often pondered. My first instinct is to say you're right, that Satan knows scripture back and forth. If that be true, it naturally follows that he has read the end of the story, which does not prevent a pretty picture for him. You think he believes it? Or does he think he can change the outcome?

MM
49 posted on 07/04/2003 6:53:58 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Nea Wood
Yup, exactly. Talk about God, fine. Talk about "the man upstairs," fine. But don't dare say Jesus or Christ, because the squirming is about to begin. Being "religious" or "devout" or a "man of faith" is a-okay. Being born again means you like to handle snakes.

And you're right, Satan's aversion to Jesus makes it clear we're on the right track!

MM
50 posted on 07/04/2003 7:05:19 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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