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Ensuring the "AW" & "Hi-Cap mag". Bans DIE!
7/4/03 | Richard Brengman

Posted on 07/04/2003 5:50:14 PM PDT by Richard-SIA

Ensuring the Bans DIE!

Need help listing ALL the rational reasons the bans are unconstitutional or illegal.

I would think that one of the professional RKBA lobby groups would have already done this, but if they have I have not seen the list.

Just a couple I have not seen discussed are;

1. Fails the "reasonable man" test. Even L.E. has a hard time understanding all the details of these bans. Civilians, particularly those who were too young to catch the details when they were enacted, have little chance of complete understanding without a comprehensive course of study. I often find myself trying to explain why certain magazines or accessories are illegal, the reaction I get is disbelief, they either think the law is nuts or I am just trying to cheat them on the price of their gun.

Heated discussions still occur on every forum of RKI's, with several people taking different sides on exactly what each point of the laws mean. This nearly nine years after enactment!

2. Creates "Super citizens". Retired L.E. is treated differently than civilians. Look at the situation with L.E. marked mags, civilians cannot have them, but under some circumstances retired L.E. apparently can keep them. Some L.E. claim the same privilege with "AW's" they bought while still with the department.

Several other points of contention with these alleged "Laws" have occurred to me over time, now I think it is time to start listing them for use in letters to congress.

I know the people here can add to my meager start, so how about it?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: assaultweapon; aw; bang; banglist; guncontrol; lawenforcement; rkba; secondamendment

1 posted on 07/04/2003 5:50:14 PM PDT by Richard-SIA
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To: Richard-SIA
No one cares.
2 posted on 07/04/2003 5:54:56 PM PDT by BCrago66
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To: *bang_list
Bang
3 posted on 07/04/2003 6:00:22 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Richard-SIA
Just figure an assualt rifle made with foreign parts is illegal while one made with US made parts is not.

Finestein logic in action.

FMCDH
4 posted on 07/04/2003 6:00:45 PM PDT by tet68
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To: Richard-SIA
1. Childish feel good legislation. The ban didn't outlaw a single weapon. It mearly stopped the manufacturing of those firearms.
2. All gun control laws are aimed at the law abiding citizen and not one stops crime.
3. The anti-gun crowd couldn't pass the law without lying to the average citizen which firearms were to be banned. The anti-gun crowd shouldn't be rewarded by continuing the ban.
4. The sunset was timed to end just before the 2004 elections. If the anti-gun politicians want to keep their offices, they should sunset the ban.
5. Any and all gun control is unconstitutional.
5 posted on 07/04/2003 6:11:49 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: BCrago66
Whether or not the Assault Weapons Ban is sunsetted or not, the issue will destroy the democratic party.
6 posted on 07/04/2003 6:16:16 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Shooter 2.5
The democRat part is destroying itself, and it's fun to watch.(I do what I can to help)

CrufflerTet.
7 posted on 07/04/2003 6:18:57 PM PDT by tet68
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To: Richard-SIA
Rational Basis Analysis of "Assault Weapon" Prohibition - a long, scholarly article that blows away every argument that gun grabbers use. Written by former gun grabber, and now gun rights activist, David Kopel.
8 posted on 07/04/2003 6:54:44 PM PDT by coloradan
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To: Richard-SIA
Logic has nothing to do with this.

The only thing that makes any difference to the politicians is how many votes we can deliver. Unfortunately, far too many gunowners vote for gun-grabbers because their union or church or somewhere else tells them to.

We, as gunowners, must vote for the 2nd Amendment the same way blacks vote Demoncratic -- 90% plus. That is the ONLY way will will win.
9 posted on 07/04/2003 7:04:25 PM PDT by jim_trent
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To: Shooter 2.5
1. Childish feel good legislation. The ban didn't outlaw a single weapon. It mearly stopped the manufacturing of those firearms.

It didn't even do that. You can still buy a brand new Vepr or Saiga. They are high capacity weapons make in Russia and come in a variety ranging from .223 to 12 ga. The Saigas are about $200.

10 posted on 07/04/2003 7:52:53 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: jim_trent
I must disagree to some extent.

Logic has nothing to do with the liberal media portrayal of our RKBA and the Bans.
But logic does have some affect on members of congress, not all of them, but enough to be important.
Remember, the bans passed by only the slimmest of margins, after being reintroduced several times.

As for voting, RKBA supporters are one of the most heavily registered and active voting cliqes in the country.

Slick Willie learned this to his regret, Al Bore learned it in 2000, G.W. Bush needs to remember it!
11 posted on 07/04/2003 8:25:59 PM PDT by Richard-SIA (II 'm not the only one?)
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To: tet68
Just figure an assualt rifle made with foreign parts is illegal while one made with US made parts is not.

There is a lot of truth in that statement.

12 posted on 07/04/2003 8:39:46 PM PDT by elbucko (Happy Birthday, America!)
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To: jim_trent
Logic has nothing to do with this.

Your logic is correct.

13 posted on 07/04/2003 8:41:56 PM PDT by elbucko (Happy Birthday, America!)
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To: Richard-SIA
Bump
14 posted on 07/04/2003 8:48:33 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (~~~ http://www.ourgangnet.net ~~~~~)
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To: coloradan
Bookmarked!

A bit dated, but the points raised are timeless, thank you for the link.
15 posted on 07/04/2003 9:18:53 PM PDT by Richard-SIA (II 'm not the only one?)
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To: Shooter 2.5
"Whether or not the Assault Weapons Ban is sunsetted or not, the issue will destroy the democratic party."

Several conservative democraps have introduced pro gun bills this secession. Me thinks that most democraps are going to run from this issue like roaches from a can of Raid.

16 posted on 07/04/2003 9:18:54 PM PDT by SSN558 (Be on the lookout for Black White-Supremacists)
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To: Dutch Boy
I thought the Saiga's had to use a modified AK-47 clip. I'm probably wrong though. Oh wait, yes I am. I'm thinking of the WASR I believe.

I know the SAR's do take a hi-cap and are quite numerous as of late.though.
17 posted on 07/04/2003 9:25:50 PM PDT by Bogey78O (My dog's a democrat)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Who cares about what happens to the democrats....or republicans for that matter. One is openly totalitarian the other stealth totalitarian.

Live free or die!
18 posted on 07/05/2003 6:24:23 AM PDT by rebel
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To: elbucko
"Just figure an assualt rifle made with foreign parts is illegal while one made with US made parts is not."

You are right. There is no material difference. Sooooo....the logical explanation is that the foreign ban was just to get the nose of the camel into the tent. It set a precident. They will go for the domestic military style semi-autos when they can.

Sounds like Bush wouldn't object either...unless it was bad for the economy of course.
19 posted on 07/05/2003 6:30:44 AM PDT by rebel
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To: rebel
Do a little research into the Minnesota CCW debates.

Or any gun control debate for that matter and notice which party openly supports gun control and which party opposes it.
20 posted on 07/05/2003 7:28:47 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Richard-SIA
> As for voting, RKBA supporters are one of the most heavily
> registered and active voting cliqes in the country.

I wish this were true. I began to wonder if it were true about 15-16 years ago when Sarah Brady was jetting into town every other week to try to get some bad anti-gunowner bills passed. She should not have had a chance.

I was among a VERY few other gunowners who spent a lot of time at the legislature trying to talk them out of it. I was VERY disappointed in the lack of support. In fact, I talked to the President of the State Pistol and Rifle Association to find out when he was going to talk to the legislators. He said he wasn't and neither were any of the board members. He said that they were after pistols and since the R&P Assn. was only interested in target shooting, they would not be affected. He felt it was better NOT to get involved.

I talked to a LOT of gunowners in my factory back then. Most of them did not want the gunlaws Sarah was trying to get passed, but their union supported them, so they were keeping their mouth shut. They also voted for gun-grabbers because they were told to. That is where our problem is.

I know that Al Bore lost, but it was by so narrow a margin, ANY GROUP with over 600 members can claim that they elected GW.

I remember reading about a study that was done in California a while back. They cross referenced a mailing list for a gunshow with the state voting registration. There were VERY few registered voters. It has been criticised, but I am worried that it is true.

21 posted on 07/05/2003 10:21:05 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: jim_trent
Perhaps I should elaborate a little.

Those gun owners who are determined to keep their "AW's" are certainly one of the most vocal, and likely to vote cliqes in the vountry.

I do believe that gun owners as whole are also more likely to register and vote than most other subsets of the American public.
I have challenged attendees at several gun shows to be more active, or to at least vote.
Virtually everyone except those who claim not to believe in our system (votes don't count, all politicians are alike) said they were already registered to vote.
This does not mean that there are nearly as many active voting gun owners as there should be.
This may also only be true in my area, where unions are not so powerful.
It is my sincere hope that the last election weakened the union hold on members voting choices.
22 posted on 07/05/2003 11:22:11 AM PDT by Richard-SIA (II 'm not the only one?)
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