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U.S. Troops Ambushed in Ramadi, Casualties
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Posted on 07/06/2003 7:14:04 PM PDT by saquin

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To: wretchard
wretchard wrote: The Brits, for their part, have no trouble because they let most things slide. It will be worse for them in the end.

The Brits are mostly in the Shi'ite part of Iraq and the Shi'ites aren't nearly as hostile to the coalition as are the Saddamite dead-enders.

It is my impression that the insurgency is mostly being carried out by Saddam's former henchmen, who were Sunnis.

41 posted on 07/06/2003 9:32:35 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: section9
My son is with the 3rd ID, some came home this weekend, mostly the supply crew 900 came in on Saturday and today. The rest may be there until November. My son is still there they are with a group out of Fort Carson.

Fox News update just reported that the Wakefulness and Holy War took credit for the Fallujah attack and that they stated that the U.S. and Saddam were faces of the same coin.

42 posted on 07/06/2003 9:38:13 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: section9; wretchard
Flypaper

There are currently three main theatres of — not war, precisely, but something resembling it, within the Middle East. One is the civil insurrection in Iran, which has continued to escalate, even though the media have withdrawn their attention again, wanting quicker results. One is in Iraq, which is now getting more media attention, as Saddamite and affiliated "dead-enders" try to step up resistance to the U.S. and British military occupation. The third is Israel/Palestine, always aboil, but where the media are reporting "hopeful signs".

I almost tire of mentioning how the media — specifically, the "liberal" mainstream media that determine how 60 per cent of Canadians and 40 per cent of Americans think — get everything backwards. So that by the time one has unwrangled their reflexive views, one is stupefied by the doublings, quadruplings, and sextuplings of negatives.

There are no hopeful signs in Israel/Palestine, per se. The Bush administration and the Israeli government of Ariel Sharon are entering consciously into a devil's pact, in which the Palestinian authorities who had pledged to disarm the terrorist militias, have instead made a show of arranging ceasefires with them. Far from putting them out of action, this gives Hamas, Islami Jihad, the various branches of Fatah, and affiliates of Hizbullah — all still recruiting and operating freely throughout the West Bank and Gaza — an opportunity to regroup and repair the damage the Israel Defence Forces were able to inflict on them through almost three years' of Intifada and counter-Intifada.

The ceasefires also give Israel an opportunity, and diplomatic cover, to pull back the most exposed West Bank settlements, and make preparations for the isolation of the various Palestinian enclaves when the terrorism resumes — which it will do almost inevitably. But on balance, time weighs to the benefit of the terrorists.

The hopeful signs are instead around the region — just where the media are affecting despair. With each passing day, the future of Iran's ayatollahs looks grimmer, as it becomes clearer they can depend on the loyalty of no significant section of Iranian society, and must increasingly doubt their own police and army. What appeared last year to be students versus ayatollahs, is now effectively the people versus the ayatollahs, with the biggest demonstrations yet planned for next week.

The U.S. occupation of Iraq has done more to destabilize Iran than the ayatollahs could hope to do in Iraq; and then something. This "something" has befuddled the various "experts" on regional security, trapped within their Pavlovian assumptions. They notice that the U.S. forces in Iraq have become a new magnet for regional terrorist activity. They assume this demonstrates the foolishness of President Bush's decision to invade.

It more likely demonstrates the opposite. While engaged in the very difficult business of building a democracy in Iraq — the first democracy, should it succeed, in the entire history of the Arabs — President Bush has also, quite consciously to my information, created a new playground for the enemy, away from Israel, and even farther away from the United States itself. By the very act of proving this lower ground, he drains terrorist resources from other swamps.

This is the meaning of Mr. Bush's "bring 'em on" taunt from the Roosevelt Room on Wednesday, when he was quizzed about the "growing threat to U.S. forces" on the ground in Iraq. It should have been obvious that no U.S. President actually relishes having his soldiers take casualties. What the media, and U.S. Democrats affect not to grasp, is that the soldiers are now replacing targets that otherwise would be provided by defenceless civilians, both in Iraq and at large. The sore thumb of the U.S. occupation — and it is a sore thumb equally to Baathists and Islamists, compelling their response — is not a mistake. It is carefully hung flypaper.

And I think the naïve "roadmap" exercise in diplomacy between Israel and the Palestinian Authority may make some sense in this context. I.e., Israel takes down its flypaper, while the U.S. puts up its own in Iraq.

At the moment it appears that most of the infiltration of Iraq is coming from the west, through Syria, and consists of Lebanese-based Hizbullah elbowing their way into Saddam's old territory. Their intention is to do to the U.S. Army in Iraq what they did to the Marines in Beirut in 1983. The chief source of both men and materiel is what Gal Luft has called "Hizbullahland" — the 1,000 square kilometre patch, that Hizbullah now rules under Syrian protection, which was formerly Israel's security enclave in southern Lebanon (until they withdrew in a peace initiative in the year 2000).

Hizbullah itself (the "Army of Allah" — Shia, and ultimately financed and armed by Iran's ayatollahs) are directing their attention less and less towards the "Little Satan" of Israel, and more and more towards the "Great Satan" of the U.S., as events unfold.

This is exactly what President Bush wants. To engage them, away from Israel, in mortal combat. To have an excuse for wiping them out — a good, solid, American excuse, from which Israel has been extracted. The good news is, Hizbullah's taking the bait.

(David Warren in The Ottawa Citizen, July 5, 2003)
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43 posted on 07/06/2003 9:49:26 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: saquin
Bush? We've got ambush.

Humvee down. Remember, the bad guys have all seen 'Blackhawk Down'.

We need small hunter killer units with AC-130s exterminating the bad guys and anyone else within a click.

Mosques should be searched today. The Baathists and Iranians can make payroll on their rent-a-mobs with RPGS etc.

Expensive? No more than our daily 19 y.o.s and squad leaders.

If the bad guys are the 72 tail chasing jihadies with no fear of death, we need get real and kill them all. The submitted wombs, aka Mo'ham breeders, can fire out jihadies faster than our politicians are willing to kill them.

We are in a total war because Wahhabies declared war on us. 9/11? OSB is just a mouth, but this Hundred Years War is for real.
44 posted on 07/06/2003 9:58:55 PM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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There is nothing wrong with this picture. Do not try to adjust your monitor.

An Iraqi youth with his head and face covered in a keffiyeh to protect him from the sun, walks past US soldiers shopping for provisions at a super market in Ramadi.(AFP/Karim Sahib)

This little Iraqi youth dude is probably on his way around the corner to get his grenade launcher after testing our troops with his face hidden.

45 posted on 07/06/2003 10:02:31 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: SevenDaysInMay
We are in total war. Now if only we would fight like it.
46 posted on 07/06/2003 10:05:53 PM PDT by Binyamin
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To: oceanview
Interesting idea.
47 posted on 07/06/2003 10:08:44 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: MJY1288
Saddam's creeps are probably listening for aircraft. If aircraft can find them in an isolated patch, they know they're dead meat. They've probably learned a little since last time.
48 posted on 07/06/2003 10:12:12 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: quidnunc
Outstanding analysis,IMHO! And I might add,one I never thought of.
49 posted on 07/06/2003 10:15:11 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Well we have to try something different, as the casualites are not that high (for a war), but if you you think the allies could be there for 10 years, it will only get worse.

The Brits and the Israeli's have been fighting this type of war for years, and with regard to Israel, are still dying, just check out Jerusalem post on the net for the list of casualties just since the intifada began.

I have said it before, lock the place down, put CCTV camera on each street corner. Curfews from dusk to dawn etc and extend where necessary. Section off the areas of trouble and go in house by house (no notice) tell all the people to get out of there houses and look for weapons. Anyone found attacking troops, should be taken out or captured, either way his families home should be demolished, there has to be a price paid and not just for the person doing the shooting.

Start work camps, any male 16 or above who is not attending full time university or full time unemployment must attend work camps for 8 hours a day, for this, they get shopping coupons (we do not want to give cash they may buy guns).

Idle hand usually look for something to do, as in Northern Ireland and Israel, the vast majority of crazies are unemployed, disallusioned and easy for the fundamentalists to manipulate.

50 posted on 07/06/2003 10:16:20 PM PDT by John_11_25
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2 U.S. Troops Die in Iraqi Convoy Attacks

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Two American soldiers were killed in separate attacks on their convoys over the weekend in the Iraqi capital, the military said Monday.

The first soldier died in a firefight after two armed assailants opened fire, said Sgt. Patrick Compton, a spokesman for the military. The soldiers opened fire, killing one of the attackers and wounding the other. The wounded suspect was taken into custody.

In the second attack, insurgents threw a homemade bomb at another U.S. convoy, killing a soldier. Both of the dead American solders were from the Army's 1st Armored Division, the Germany-based division which is charged with occupying Baghdad.

At least three U.S. troops have been killed in Baghdad in a 24-hour period.

At midday Sunday, an assailant shot and killed a U.S. soldier waiting to buy a soft drink at Baghdad University, firing once from close range.

51 posted on 07/06/2003 10:28:17 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: John_11_25

Work camps my a$$! I'll go you one better: work camps on Midway Island, Kwajalein Atoll, Tinian, French Frigate Shoals-any outcropping of rock that is barely habitable and that is in need of "improvement". Attu and Kiska might come in handy, as well.

Make them "disappear" off the streets. Make them "not come back".

Make them wake up one morning in the cargo bay of a C-17 headed for the Pacific. The word will get around.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

52 posted on 07/06/2003 10:28:55 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi just killed Barney....)
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To: saquin
You almost gave me a heart attack! I realize now you mean 26 since major combat ended. Whew. Don't do that to me, man.

How many will it be in a year from now? Two years? I guess 26 dead aint too bad, unless you happen to be one of them.....

53 posted on 07/06/2003 10:34:17 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
How many will it be in a year from now? Two years? I guess 26 dead aint too bad, unless you happen to be one of them.....

Or if you are a love one of the deceased.

54 posted on 07/06/2003 10:38:40 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: TexKat
My son is with the 3rd ID... My son is still there they are with a group out of Fort Carson.

Is your son one of your sources? I've read that there are many more attacks on our troops than are reported but that they went unreported because we didn't suffer serious casualties in them.

I'm always leery of reports that we're covering up losses in wars. Remember the bogus reports that we were suffering numerous unreported losses in Afghanistan? I think they were based on losses in our Special Forces that were truly unreported but were blown way out of proportion.

BTW, does your son have any info on Iraqi military losses in the war? We were bombing the crap out of the area south and west of Baghdad for days and days. Did we hit anything?

55 posted on 07/06/2003 10:39:09 PM PDT by mikegi
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To: mikegi; All
mikegi, it will all come out in the wash sooner or later.

There is something wrong with these reports. The article this thread is based on mentiones attacks in Ramadi approximately 60 miles from Baghdad and appeares to have originated from Al Jazeera almost 6 hours ago.

The recent article states the attacks occured in the capitol Baghdad. Is it just me?

56 posted on 07/06/2003 10:55:26 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: section9
Returning 3rd Infantry Troops Cheered
57 posted on 07/06/2003 11:04:18 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: Joe Hadenuf
its 26 dead if you only count "attacks"

there have been over 70 killed in both vehicle collision and combat since the pres declared major combat over. Each crash is the same, vehicle comes at the humve, humve swerves and rolls over leaving several dead. This happens way too frequently to all be "accidents". Dead is dead, it doesn't matter how it happens it still leaves a family who will never see thier loved one again.
If you count both killed and wounded the entire 3 1/3 months has left a little over a 1000 as casualties. If their are 150,000 troops there right now, that means that about 1 out of every 150 has been killed or wounded. thats about .0075% (and rising). welcome to Somalia a thousand times over. This is going to be a long peace mission
58 posted on 07/06/2003 11:15:16 PM PDT by MilitaryBuff
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To: Binyamin
Only our enemies are in total war.

Were I President:

in a press conference, I would remind the carping dems that we are at war. We're losing good guys, like Arkancides.

Dems sound like Hanoi Jane.

Come to think of it, I might save that line for Hillary. A "There she goes again." or "Thar she blows." Fits here like a size 14-18 pants suit.

If I were...:

Islamofascists' national leaders, including Saud's finest incestuous swishers and Kofi, would have a 12 hour ultimatum: Wearing only the Union Jack loin cloth, climb a minaret, and after sort of a bris, dance on its spire roof singing "Yankee Doodle Dandy" or die.

'Mein Koran" would be demonstrated as bloody blasphemy by constant telecast, from short wave to HARP, of its contents. Mo'ham's battle plan, 'Haddith', would also be broadcast for what it is. Word for word. Annotated so even the stupid would understand that "Mein Koran' is the bible for Murder, Inc. Total war against all - submit or perish at the will of the blood thirtiest cult ever to spread out of hell on earth.
59 posted on 07/06/2003 11:43:11 PM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: quidnunc
The David Warren article is correct for the most part. For a similar, but earlier analysis, go to Belmontclub.blogspot.com
60 posted on 07/07/2003 12:07:48 AM PDT by wretchard
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