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War and single-term presidents- A curse on the White House
LA Times ^ | 07-06-03 | Ed Stockly

Posted on 07/07/2003 8:32:59 AM PDT by Brian S

Edited on 07/07/2003 8:37:54 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Call it the curse of the wartime president. Not a single U.S. president who has led the country into a major war has gone on to serve another full term in the White House. Not James Madison after the War of 1812. Not Woodrow Wilson after World War I.

Not Lyndon Johnson after Vietnam. And not George H.W. Bush, who won a popular war but was unable to win over everyday Americans a second time. Will the current President Bush, who is expected to raise record amounts of money in his re-election bid, be able to buck this long and curious trend in American history? Every president who has led this country into full-scale war has paid a heavy price politically and personally. Most chose not to run for re-election and, upon leaving office, saw their vision for America rejected by the voters, their party defeated and their rivals elected. Some left office with shattered reputations, fading into a marginalized obscurity and irrelevance. And the few who survived grueling re-election campaigns were swiftly cut down by illness or assassination.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous
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1 posted on 07/07/2003 8:33:00 AM PDT by Brian S
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To: Brian S
I'll bet Franklin Roosevelt would give this guy a good argument, since his fourth term was ended only by his sudden death in 1945.
3 posted on 07/07/2003 8:36:05 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice
Madison was in his second term when the War of 1812 ended.

Lincoln and McKinley were cut down by assassins.

Wilson was in his second term when WWI ended.

FDR was elected to a fourth term, then died.

In none of these cases did the public decide that they didn't want the same leader in peace that they did in war.

This article is just plain ignorant.
4 posted on 07/07/2003 8:40:54 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats
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To: Brian S
FDR - elected President in November 1932, to the first of four terms.

When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, Roosevelt directed organization of the Nation's manpower and resources for global war.

I believe FDR was reelected in 1944

5 posted on 07/07/2003 8:41:56 AM PDT by VoodooEconomics
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To: VoodooEconomics
I believe FDR was reelected in 1944

Note the weasel words - went on to serve a full term.

6 posted on 07/07/2003 8:45:10 AM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: Brian S
And as a precedent, no other President had a "9/11" to address.
7 posted on 07/07/2003 8:54:18 AM PDT by maplenut
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To: Brian S
The argument could be made that Harry S. Truman was able to accomplish this feat. He was re-elected in 1948 after leading the US to victory over Japan.

Though he did not lead the US into WWII, he was there to make sure we won the war in the Pacific.

I shudeer to think of what may have come to pass if FDR were still at the helm through 1945 and onward.

8 posted on 07/07/2003 8:54:24 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ()
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To: Brian S
http://www.angelrays.com/mb/pres/bush.html
9 posted on 07/07/2003 8:54:29 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: VoodooEconomics
When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, Roosevelt directed organization of the Nation's manpower and resources for global war.

FDR was in his third term when the Japs attacked Pearl Harbor. He had defeated Wendell Wilkie (R) in 1940, after the electorate sort of agonized over whether to go against Washington's example of serving only two terms.

In 1944 he defeated Thomas E Dewey, Republican. Roosevelt then died in 1945, succeeded by the man from the Kansas City Pendergrast machine, Harry S Truman.

Truman won on his own in 1948, defeating (taranta ra!), Thomas E Dewey.

Harry Truman, in turn, got us into the US led United Nations "police action" in Korea in his second term.

I wonder if this writer ever studied American history. The whole issue is much more complicated than he wants to make it. His premise is very, very faulty.

10 posted on 07/07/2003 8:55:22 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Of course, shudeer=shudder.
11 posted on 07/07/2003 8:55:40 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ()
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To: Brian S
Gee they kind of skipped FDR, and Truman who started the Cold War, and Lincoln, and of course Johnson refused to run in 68 so that's a little disingenuous.

Definite bulldada.
12 posted on 07/07/2003 8:56:42 AM PDT by discostu (you've got to bleed for the dancer)
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To: Brian S
The LA Times is Pravda with sunshine..
13 posted on 07/07/2003 9:03:53 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Brian S
Re #1

He tried to put a vodoo curse on GW Bush.:)

14 posted on 07/07/2003 9:06:04 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I don't know the answer but GWB and the military have got to get a handle on this one-a-day death in Iraq. If it takes
UN peacekeepers to stop it, as much as I hate the UN, bring it on. The politics of casualities will haunt GWB.
15 posted on 07/07/2003 9:14:02 AM PDT by dwilli
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To: You Dirty Rats
And I think LBJ would have won vs. Nixon in 68. It would have been close.
16 posted on 07/07/2003 9:15:17 AM PDT by LS
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To: LS
Didn't Clinton get re-elected after taking us into Somalia?
17 posted on 07/07/2003 9:25:24 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Free Miguel and Priscilla!)
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To: So Cal Rocket
Didn't Clinton get re-elected after taking us into Bosnia?
18 posted on 07/07/2003 9:26:41 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Free Miguel and Priscilla!)
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To: You Dirty Rats
Thanks for correcting this idiot's assumptions - they surely weren't FACTS.

How interesting (OK, NOT) that someone could get so many facts wrong in one article. Is this proof of the mistakes in our school's text books? Yipes, I've heard that they are full of misstatements, and erroneous "facts", but this is severe.

I find it so difficult to believe what the NEA and the unions have done to our educational system, and want to know when we are going to get fed up with it, and take our schools back. Graduating from HS means nothing when the freshman year of College (IF they get there) is spent in remedial math, English and history. Friends, your tax dollars are being flushed - into the coffers of union thugs who don't give a d@mn about what our kids are learning. Or is there some "sotte voce" purpose, and they WANT to turn out illiterate kids, because they make better Democrat voters? Ohhhhh, that is a really scary thought!

TNI
19 posted on 07/07/2003 9:29:59 AM PDT by TruthNtegrity (God bless America, God bless President George W. Bush and God bless our Military!)
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To: So Cal Rocket
George Bush Sr took us into Somalia; Clinton took us out after the 'Black Hawk Down' incident.
20 posted on 07/07/2003 9:42:02 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Brian S
Leaving aside for a moment that the author is a moron who undoubtedly flunked USA History 101, methinks the curse is about to be broken.

Unless, of course, my fav Big Al beats Dubya in Nov 2004.

21 posted on 07/07/2003 10:00:04 AM PDT by upchuck (Contribute to "Republicans for Al Sharpton for President in 2004." Dial 1-800-SLAPTHADONKEY :)
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To: VoodooEconomics
I would have to assume that the writer meant what he said here. Led into war.. hmmm.. As I recall the good man FDR did not lead us to war. We were sucked into it. Now if you want to call Led into war our declaration on Germany.. that's up for debate. None the less we wouldn't of entered the war when we did if now for Pearl Harbor.
22 posted on 07/07/2003 12:00:59 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: You Dirty Rats
I may be mistaken but I believe term limits were not in effect in 1812. Since I recall FDR getting a fair share over 8 years.
23 posted on 07/07/2003 12:01:46 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Almondjoy
I may be mistaken but I believe term limits were not in effect in 1812.

There was no law but it was tradition not to serve more than eight years started by George Washington.

I believe TR was the first president to try for a third, after a four year break, and FDR was the first to be elected for a third term. Yes I know Cleveland tried three times but was elected only twice, trying for a second term successfully after a first failed attempt at it.

24 posted on 07/07/2003 12:10:52 PM PDT by NeoCaveman ("I don't need the Bush tax cut. I never worked a f****** day in my life. Patrick Kennedy D-RI)
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To: Brian S
I guess that Bubba's wars weren't major enough. How many small wars does a president have to engage in to be tossed out?
25 posted on 07/07/2003 12:56:17 PM PDT by weegee
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To: Ole Okie
This statistician still hasn't learned that history doesn't conform to such trivialities. Ronald Reagan survived the Zero factor too by not dying in office.
26 posted on 07/07/2003 12:58:41 PM PDT by weegee
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To: weegee
The zero factor.

You beat me to it. I remember all the liberals were squealing about it back in 1980. Ronald Reagan was supposed to die in office just as every President who was ever elected in a year ending in zero - died in office.

Liberals are such idiots.

27 posted on 07/07/2003 2:02:57 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Brian S
Here's some counterspin to this Times propaganda:

Every President who has chosen to run for another term after leading the country into a major war has been re-elected, except for G. H. W. Bush.
28 posted on 07/07/2003 2:15:46 PM PDT by 7DayRepo
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