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Have funfair goldfish had their chips? (Activists say it's cruel to put fish in baggies)
Yahoo! News - Reuters ^ | 7.7.03

Posted on 07/07/2003 3:55:21 PM PDT by mhking

LONDON (Reuters) - Funfairs could come under pressure this summer to scrap the age-old tradition of giving away goldfish as prizes because the practice is seen as cruel.

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Winning a goldfish in a plastic bag, as synonymous with funfairs as candy floss and a ride on the dodgems, may be on the way out if the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has its way.

"We would like to see the end of goldfish in little plastic bags," a spokeswoman for the animal welfare group said on Monday.

"The fish can suffer stress and can die from a result of changes in temperature. Those little bags can heat up surprisingly quickly in the sunshine," she said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: carnivals; childhood; countyfairs; dogooders; fairs; funfairs; funpolice; goldfish; london

1 posted on 07/07/2003 3:55:22 PM PDT by mhking
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2 posted on 07/07/2003 3:55:40 PM PDT by mhking (Your kid may be an honor student, but you still drive like an idiot.)
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To: mhking
I agree. Using baggies is cruel.



















They should use blenders.
3 posted on 07/07/2003 3:56:21 PM PDT by Redcloak (All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
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4 posted on 07/07/2003 3:57:58 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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5 posted on 07/07/2003 4:04:51 PM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29 (Since 2002-05-19)
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To: mhking
Cat juggling is still going to be permitted at the fairs though, right? Right??!!!


6 posted on 07/07/2003 4:10:16 PM PDT by weegee
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To: mhking
Add me to the "hold muh beer" ping list please!
7 posted on 07/07/2003 4:11:40 PM PDT by visualops (HAM AND EGGS: a day's work for a chicken; a lifetime commitment for a pig.)
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To: mhking
Free the goldfish.

Bag the activists.

8 posted on 07/07/2003 4:12:50 PM PDT by LibKill (MOAB, the greatest advance in Foreign Relations since the cat-o'-nine-tails!)
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9 posted on 07/07/2003 4:14:35 PM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29 (Since 2002-05-19)
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To: mhking
Reminds me of the time me and my cousin were out fishing, but all we could catch were some carp. We laid them out on the road to watch them get run over.
10 posted on 07/07/2003 4:20:06 PM PDT by Sofa King (-I am Sofa King- tired of liberal BS!)
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To: mhking
Is the cruelty the way that the fish are stored? Would a tank be allowed?

Is the cruelty inthe way that the fish are given to the kids (in a plastic baggie as one might get at the pet store)?

Or is the cruelty that kids will bring home a goldfish but not have the responsibility to keep it fed and result in a dead fish?

It sounds like they are wanting to ban the practice altogether so I'd bank that the third reason is the real issue (pets and honeybees are nothing more than "animal slavery" < /sarcasm >)

11 posted on 07/07/2003 4:26:50 PM PDT by weegee
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To: mhking
Have funfair goldfish had their chips? (Activists say it's cruel to put fish in baggies)

Darn. I thought the headline said:

Have funfair goldfish had their chips? (Activists say it's cruel to put fish in bagpipes)

12 posted on 07/07/2003 4:49:29 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Redcloak
Blenders are nothing, compared to centrifuges... (I've never done this... but I seen it done)
13 posted on 07/07/2003 4:54:18 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: mhking
Uh oh.


14 posted on 07/07/2003 4:58:50 PM PDT by 4mycountry (Over-achiever extraordinare!)
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To: mhking
How do these fools think tropical fish always travel? They come in in plastic bags with water and oxygen from all over the worlds by air. After you pay in some cases hundreds of dollars for them, the store puts them back in a baggie for you to take home.

So9

15 posted on 07/07/2003 5:48:09 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
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To: Redcloak
I agree. Using baggies is cruel. They should use blenders.

It's the Bass-o-matic!

"That's some great tasting bass!"
16 posted on 07/07/2003 6:10:05 PM PDT by Thoro
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To: Servant of the Nine
That's why I ask what the real issue is.

If a goldfish in a baggie is the prize for winning a shooting gallery game, they could keep the fish in a tank and then put them in the baggie to give to the kids.

17 posted on 07/07/2003 6:10:25 PM PDT by weegee
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To: mhking
Maybe the Royal Society should consider it art . . .
18 posted on 07/07/2003 6:49:27 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: mhking
"The fish can suffer stress and can die from a result of changes in temperature."

I thought this was the precise reason why they are put in plastic bags. You take the plastic bag, with the fish inside, place it in the fishtank that is already prepared and ready for new fish. You put the plastic bag into the fishtank, so that the temperature of the water can become equal to the temperature of the water in the tank. Then you open the bag, and let the fish out. This way they aren't shocked by the difference in temperature.

19 posted on 07/07/2003 6:53:50 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: mhking
While trying to think of a witty reply I think I will just take another bite out of my tuna sandwich.....
20 posted on 07/07/2003 6:53:51 PM PDT by 76834
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How do they think fish get home when bought from a pet store? They go in the same type of little plastic baggies. Now if they really want to bug someone they can always go after the live fish supply places that sell fish to pet stores. When I worked selling fish, they would send the fish bagged 100 per bag in a bag smaller than a garbage bag. That was usually for small fish like neons and guppies. Siamese Fighting fish (bettas) had it even worse. They were bagged seperately in tiny little bags much smaller than a sandwich bag with barely enough water to turn around in. That is why half of them look almost dead when you see them at the pet store. They are hardy little fish though and usually make it through shipment. In fact, we rarely had any dead fish no matter how many fish they bagged up together. They were rarely bagged more than 12 hours. If they had been bagged longer, there probably would've been a few dead ones. I once shipped 50 baby convict cichlids to a man via USPS in a bag with about 2 gallons of water. Not a single one died during the 3 day shipment. ANyway, moral to the story, there are companies that do much worse than the fairs do to the goldfish. Send them to Wal-Mart and let them see how many fish they kill every week due to lack of fish keeping knowledge. Goldfish aren't very smart anyhow. They have about the intelligence of a chicken. Cichlids OTOH have about the intelligence of a dog... especially Oscars. The fairs probably also change the water for the goldfish a lot more often than places like Wal-Mart so I doubt their fish suffer any until the little kids get them and try to make a water tornado in the bag. Even that probably isn't too bad since goldfish are river fish and like a good strong current in the water. That goes for the ones at the fair anyway. The fancy goldfish are freaks of nature (i don't think they even come from nature actually) and don't usually end up at fairs because they are more expensive. The fair fish are the same ones pet stores sell as feeder fish for big fish like Oscars. They are lucky the fair has them instead of the pet store.
21 posted on 07/07/2003 9:28:49 PM PDT by honeygrl (Can you tell I'm a fish person?)
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To: weegee
"If a goldfish in a baggie is the prize for winning a shooting gallery game, they could keep the fish in a tank and then put them in the baggie to give to the kids."

A single fish in a bag probably has cleaner water than 50 in a tank (which is how they would be kept if they had to tank them.)
22 posted on 07/07/2003 9:31:23 PM PDT by honeygrl (Can you tell I'm a fish person?)
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To: mhking
We need first person accounts. Can we get a coupla "activists" to hang out in a water-filled plastic bag for a few hours?
23 posted on 07/07/2003 9:37:59 PM PDT by djf
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To: mhking
http://www.applesforhealth.com/PetHealth/whygolfdie4.html

why do goldfish die?

24 posted on 08/02/2003 1:59:31 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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