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Bush and Starr
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Posted on 07/08/2003 5:36:41 AM PDT by spoiled goods

I've been reading Sidney Blumenthal's book, The Clinton Wars. I was struck by the similarities between the Starr Inquisition and the way the Bushies "investigated" weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Starr and his office clung to the belief that the Clintons were devious criminal conspirators. “I think it was consistent throughout the office,” Sam Dash said. “Ken ultimately believed it himself. They said, [the Clintons are] powerful, they can cover up, they’re pressuring people to lie. We’re going to stay on it until we get it. It was a hypothesis.” But Starr had no evidence that the Clintons were obstructing justice. “From time to time,” said Dash, “I would sit at a staff meeting, and a prosecutor would present all the evidence. I would get a copy of it before the meeting, and they were talking it up as through they had something of value. They had nothing. I said, ‘Zero plus zero plus zero equals zero.’ I was advising they didn’t have it. My view constantly was that if you don’t have it, it may not be there, and your job is over.” But Starr didn’t listen. …

From the beginning, Starr hurtled toward the President’s impeachment by using the grand jury to prosecute symbolic offenses. He was his own runaway train. He claimed to be throwing up caution signs while he was stoking the engine with coal. Starr believed that Susan McDougal was lying, Web Hubbell was lying, and Monica Lewinsky was lying. But he had no legal strategy beyond a hope that somehow, someone, somewhere, would materialize to prove his case against the President. He would subpoena witnesses, tell the story as he wished it to be told by leaks to the press, mobilize public disgust and anger at his target, drive his target into a corner, instigate the filing of articles of impeachment, and then hope there was a case. [Sidney Blumenthal, The Clinton Wars (New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2003), pp. 390-391]

Fast forward to Bush II. Is it not obvious that the Bush Administration dealt with Iraq the same way Starr dealt with Clinton? They had a hypothesis -- Saddam Hussein was a danger to the United States because he supported al Qaeda and he had weapons of mass destruction. They sold this hypothesis to the press and the public as fact. They mobilized public disgust and anger at anyone who dared question the hypothesis. They instigated a war. And now they hope that they will find evidence to back up their hypothesis.

U.S. intelligence analysts lacked new, hard information about Saddam Hussein's chemical, biological and nuclear weapons after United Nations inspectors left Iraq in 1998, and so had to rely on data from the early and mid-1990s when they concluded in months leading up to the war that those programs continued into 2003, according to preliminary findings of a CIA internal review panel. [Walter Pincus, "Basis for Arms Claims Affirmed," The Washington Post, July 4, 2003]

In other words, they had a hypothesis. The Washington Post article quoted above suggests the hypothesis was reasonable: Iraq had chemical and biological weapons ten years ago; therefore, they must still have them.

The problem with this hypothesis is that chemical and biological weapons have limited shelf lives, and any such material made a decade ago would be seriously degraded by now. (For example, see Cliff Montgomery, "Lies About Iraq's Chemical Weapons Are Past Expiration Date," Alternet, May 8, 2003.) And in the years since Iraq was known to have chemical and biological weapons, there have been sanctions, inspections, bombing runs, and a couple of wars. Yet the Bushies proclaimed to the world that they were certain Saddam Hussein had deadly chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction that threatened the rest of the world.

The hypothsis was on even shakier ground regarding a nuclear threat. Bush said in the 2003 State of the Union address: "The International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed in the 1990s that Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program, had a design for a nuclear weapon and was working on five different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb." In the 1980s Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons development program. Most of it was destroyed in the Gulf War, and as we've learned recently, for more than a decade the remains of that program were buried in a rose garden. And the IAEA had reported in 1997 that "there were no indications of Iraq having achieved its program goal of producing a nuclear weapon; nor were there any indications that there remained in Iraq any physical capability for the production of amounts of weapons-usable nuclear material of any practical significance." [Gary Dillon, Carnegie Endowment]

But the lack of proof did not deter the Bushies from believing fervently in their hypothesis. And, as Ken Starr attempted to ruin anyone who got in the way of his Clinton hypothesis, the Bushies did also to those (like France) who didn't buy into the Iraq hypothesis.

Consider what the Bushies did to Hans Blix:

Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense, was so eager to see the United States launch a preemptive strike against Iraq in early 2002, that he ordered the CIA to investigate the past work of Hans Blix, the chief United Nations weapons inspector, who in February 2002, was asked to lead a team of U.N. weapons inspectors into Iraq to search for weapons of mass destruction, in an attempt to undermine the scientist. [Jason Leopold, "Wolfowitz Had CIA Investigate Blix," Counterpunch, June 26, 2003]

Let's think about this. If the Bush Administration was concerned that Iraq posed a danger to the world but had no concrete evidence, why would they seek to undermine the weapons inspectors? Possible answers:

They're nuts.

The weapons of mass destruction were not the reason for the war in Iraq, but the excuse.

All of the above.

In a recent article, Arianna Huffington wrote that the Bushies exhibited all the symptoms of fanaticism. That covers the "nuts" part. And by now we've all heard about the Project for a New American Century and the neocon plan to take over Iraq to make the world safe for Coca-Cola (I oversimplify, but that's what it boils down to).

It can now be truly said that the lunatics are running the asylum. God help America.


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1 posted on 07/08/2003 5:36:41 AM PDT by spoiled goods
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To: spoiled goods
FOAD.
2 posted on 07/08/2003 5:37:31 AM PDT by TomServo (Free Illbay!!)
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You're being paged..
3 posted on 07/08/2003 5:37:51 AM PDT by TomServo (Free Illbay!!)
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4 posted on 07/08/2003 5:40:29 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: spoiled goods
I've been reading Sidney Blumenthal's book, The Clinton Wars

Now, there's your problem. Relying on Sid "Swamp Thing" Blumenthal is akin to believing Slick Willie.

Don't go there.

5 posted on 07/08/2003 5:46:58 AM PDT by TonyInOhio (Horse walks into bar. Bartender says, "Hey buddy - why the long face?")
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To: spoiled goods
Whoever wrote this strained mess is a few kernals short of a full cob.
6 posted on 07/08/2003 5:47:23 AM PDT by RLK
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To: spoiled goods
Welcome to Free Republic.

Things a little slow today at the Democratic Underground?
7 posted on 07/08/2003 5:48:45 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: spoiled goods
Starr is a criminal who covered up the crimes of the Clintons. I'd like to see him hanged.

8 posted on 07/08/2003 5:48:57 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud, hatch out!)
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To: TomServo; dighton; BlueLancer
This is so lame I can't even find the energy to call for a ZOT.

Maybe this is their new plan? Bore us to death?
9 posted on 07/08/2003 5:49:07 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: spoiled goods
Blumenthal is spoiled goods..You signed up to post this swill?
10 posted on 07/08/2003 5:49:18 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: spoiled goods
I've been reading Sidney Blumenthal's book because I am a puppet.
11 posted on 07/08/2003 5:50:53 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: spoiled goods
Snore...
12 posted on 07/08/2003 5:51:09 AM PDT by backhoe (The 1990's will be forever remembered as "The Decade of Fraud(s)...")
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To: Constitution Day; BlueLancer; jriemer; hellinahandcart; Poohbah; Zavien Doombringer

13 posted on 07/08/2003 5:51:17 AM PDT by dighton (NLC™)
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To: hellinahandcart
They just love us so much,they can't stay away!
14 posted on 07/08/2003 5:51:25 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: spoiled goods
Sinkboy is gone, Hitlery is old, and Gore lost. Get over it.
15 posted on 07/08/2003 5:51:41 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: spoiled goods

16 posted on 07/08/2003 5:52:45 AM PDT by glock rocks (give early, give often. only you can prevent fundraisers.)
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To: spoiled goods; meowmeow; Constitution Day; 4mycountry; Poohbah; Grampa Dave; an amused spectator; ..

17 posted on 07/08/2003 5:55:31 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Ain't nothing worse than feeling obsolete....)
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To: spoiled goods

Picture of the Troll, Spoiled Goods, running from the Viking Kitties *note* the Zot burns -

18 posted on 07/08/2003 5:58:04 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Ain't nothing worse than feeling obsolete....)
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To: spoiled goods

ZOT!!


19 posted on 07/08/2003 5:58:45 AM PDT by Constitution Day (My mind is aglow with whirling,transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention)
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To: spoiled goods

And this passes for informed debate on DU?
I would ask for a rebate.

20 posted on 07/08/2003 5:59:38 AM PDT by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: spoiled goods
Good grief, Blumenthal as a reliable source? You must be the one person who actually purchased his book.
21 posted on 07/08/2003 6:00:15 AM PDT by OldFriend ((BUSH/CHENEY 2004))
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To: spoiled goods; dighton; aculeus; general_re; L,TOWM; Constitution Day; Chancellor Palpatine; ...

VARMINT CONG ALERT!!!
Al-Boringus Sinkmeisteria Yawnicum subspecies
22 posted on 07/08/2003 6:02:03 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: spoiled goods
anyone who actually quotes Arianna Huffington ....

no, wait...

is that you, Arianna?
23 posted on 07/08/2003 6:02:11 AM PDT by glock rocks (give early, give often. only you can prevent fundraisers.)
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To: spoiled goods

Zot!Did you feel that?


24 posted on 07/08/2003 6:02:15 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Ain't nothing worse than feeling obsolete....)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Do I smell ozone?
25 posted on 07/08/2003 6:03:31 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Bush/Cheney in '04 and Tommy Daschole out the door)
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To: spoiled goods
When the Viking Kitties are done with you, you will be soiled goods
26 posted on 07/08/2003 6:03:54 AM PDT by MJY1288
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To: BlueLancer
Wait...my hair's standing on end...

(Dives for hard overhead cover)

"Aw, geez, not THIS s**t again!"
27 posted on 07/08/2003 6:04:52 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: hellinahandcart
Maybe this is their new plan? Bore us to death?


28 posted on 07/08/2003 6:07:43 AM PDT by Constitution Day (My mind is aglow with whirling,transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention)
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To: Bigg Red
You should :)

At least some meat grilling :)

29 posted on 07/08/2003 6:08:41 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Ain't nothing worse than feeling obsolete....)
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To: Bigg Red; Admin Moderator
Do I smell ozone?

No, no. Please, no ozone yet. This is too much fun.

Any DU'er who goes to Sidney Blumenthal's book for a post on Free Republic deserves the chutzpah award for the day.

Let us award him/her/it a purple shaft with barbed wire clusters.

Wait a bit for the ZOT so other Freepers can enjoy!

30 posted on 07/08/2003 6:09:47 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: spoiled goods

31 posted on 07/08/2003 6:10:06 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Ain't nothing worse than feeling obsolete....)
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To: spoiled goods

32 posted on 07/08/2003 6:10:43 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Ain't nothing worse than feeling obsolete....)
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To: Constitution Day

33 posted on 07/08/2003 6:13:11 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: spoiled goods

34 posted on 07/08/2003 6:14:13 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Ain't nothing worse than feeling obsolete....)
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To: hellinahandcart
LOL!
35 posted on 07/08/2003 6:14:27 AM PDT by Constitution Day (My mind is aglow with whirling,transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention)
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To: Zavien Doombringer; Admin Moderator
Cleanup on aisle 105 . . . he's over there too leaving little deposits.

Troll Deposit


36 posted on 07/08/2003 6:15:33 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: spoiled goods

37 posted on 07/08/2003 6:15:44 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Ain't nothing worse than feeling obsolete....)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
LOL!
38 posted on 07/08/2003 6:16:03 AM PDT by olorin
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To: spoiled goods

spoiled goods
Since Jul 8, 2003

view home page, enter name:
spoiled goods hasn't had a thought in its empty little head in years...

39 posted on 07/08/2003 6:16:39 AM PDT by backhoe (A nuke for every Kook ( NK, Iraq, Iran, Pak, India... )- what a Clinton "legacy...")
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To: spoiled goods; Zavien Doombringer

40 posted on 07/08/2003 6:17:42 AM PDT by 4mycountry (Over-achiever extraordinare!)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Kitty hungry.


41 posted on 07/08/2003 6:17:46 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: spoiled goods
Total crap from someone with a motive to lie. Instead of Vicious Sid, I think I'll believe David Schippers, a lifelong Democrat who twice voted for Clinton. When Henry Hyde called him for the assignment, David thought he'd be there for a couple of weeks. He was astounded by the amount of criminality he discovered.

Continuing spin won't save the legacy. He still raped Juanita Broaddrick. He still was thrown out of England and Oxford for sexually assaulting Eileen Wellstone. He still got campaign money for convicted coke dealer Dan Lasiter (to L.D. Brown -- "Don't worry about it...that's Lasiter's deal). He still gave jobs in exchange for sex. Star witness Jim McDougal is still dead. Bernie Scwartz still gave 900K to the DNC for being allowed to sell missile technology to the ChiComs. Madison Guaranty still cost taxpayers 60 million bucks. The fraudulent SBA loan still cost taxpayers 300K. A stalking troubled young woman was still given top secret clearance at the Pentagon. I've still spoken with several people with knowledge of his cocaine use. He still ordered the INS to allow thousands of criminal aliens to become citizens without background checks and fingerprints. He still committed perjury and suborned perjury. He still had his thugs threaten witnesses. He still presented a false affidavit to the court. He still dropped trow on a state employee and played with himself in front of her while at the workplace during working hours. He still gave state commissions in exhange for money, then perjured himself about that in the criminal trial of bankers Herbie Branscum and Robert Hill. He stained the Great Seal in the Oval Office.

You can spin all you like. He is a worthless piece of sh**. Everyone knows it except those who still have DNA dripping down their chin.

42 posted on 07/08/2003 6:19:38 AM PDT by doug from upland (Bill - go away...Hillary - go away.....you have done enough damage to this great Republic)
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I'm not going to give a troll like spoiled goods the dignity of a response to its tripe. Posting a DU blog on FR and using the term Bushies, coupled with the 7/8/03 signup date is a ZOT in the making. The "spoiled goods" have a serious stink about them.
43 posted on 07/08/2003 6:19:40 AM PDT by arasina (Blank)
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To: spoiled goods

- Launch Spoiled Goods back to the DU

44 posted on 07/08/2003 6:21:29 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Ain't nothing worse than feeling obsolete....)
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To: doug from upland
Everyone knows it except those who still have DNA dripping down their chin.

Damn Doug!! LOL!!!

45 posted on 07/08/2003 6:23:58 AM PDT by TomServo (Free Illbay!!)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
I prefer the slightly more humane method . . .


46 posted on 07/08/2003 6:26:22 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Launching!


47 posted on 07/08/2003 6:27:01 AM PDT by 4mycountry (Over-achiever extraordinare!)
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To: Poohbah; dighton; Miss Marple; BOBTHENAILER; Howlin
Firing point procedures.

Use of Nuclear ZOTS authorized.

Authentication: JULIET LIMA HOTEL INDIA SIERRA CHARLIE UNIFORM TANGO ECHO
48 posted on 07/08/2003 6:27:17 AM PDT by hchutch (The National League needs to adopt the designated hitter rule.)
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To: doug from upland
Great one doug!

(. . . now tell us how you REALLY feel!) << g >>

49 posted on 07/08/2003 6:27:20 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
OMG!! Great minds and all that!
50 posted on 07/08/2003 6:27:46 AM PDT by 4mycountry (Over-achiever extraordinare!)
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