Black Bear Attacks Sleeping Teen in Remote Area in Eastern Utah

fox news ^ | 07/09/03 | AP

[BOBWADE]

SALT LAKE CITY — A black bear (search) tried to drag a teenager out of his sleeping bag as he and other campers slept under the stars in a remote canyon -- the first bear attack in Utah (search) in 11 years, officials said.

[BOBWADE]

Talk about a late night snack! OUCH!

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[Calpernia]

Not NJ...But bear ping.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Bear ping! :)

[Malsua]

Now adjust your vision to a populated New Jersey where I live.

Imagine a situation where anything that smells is bear food. This means you can't leave a cheesecake on your coffee table.

Now envision how the environazis see you? You bastard? You left food out. A bear broke into your house because you were such a careless bastard. Now they want to hunt bears just because it ate your 18 month old.

Well, you deserved it didn't you?

I tell you this, I have had at least a dozen experiences where black bears ended up within 15 feet of me ON MY PROPERTY and my wife and I are exceptionally cautious about this issue. We don't leave trash out, we don't leave food out and we have followed all the bear rules.

Hopefully the NJ bear hunt will let them go back to the wilderness. Yes, there are vast stretches of wilderness in NW NJ. Most folks think NJ is a vast metroplex. It isn't by any stretch. Where I live in NJ, I can walk 9 miles in one direction without seeing a home. At least half of NJ is wilderness but most people won't understand that until they experience this state.

[mdittmar]

Bear bag your food,do not have snacks in the tent or sleeping bag,they have a good nose, and know where you camp.

[BOBWADE]

Time to have the "Nudge" take a vacation in NJ!

[BOBWADE]

Bears are not exactly like ole gentle Ben are they?

[mdittmar]

Saw one scale a bear bag pole and pull on the rope 'till the bag was doing wild 360's,no scent,the food was all canned goods.

They know where you camp;)

[Brett66]

First:

Second:

[zarf]

I've never seen more deer in my life than in NJ. They're like rats....and a major traffic hazzard.

[Gunslingr3]

I would pay money to see a fool take on a bear with a shovel

[BOBWADE]

Last week, the Missouri conservation dept trapped one in Osage Beach(lake of the ozarks) Nwver knew they were so close to us.

[Calvin Locke]

Guess he forgot to wear a little bell and carry pepper spray.

[ISawIt]

I live in NE Pennsylvania, right across the Delaware
from Sussex county, NJ.

I have a 7 foot fence, and don't leave food or garbage
outside.

They still come in, amble around and leave. Sometimes
they get frisky, and try and get in my shed. One ripped
the door of my shed off (2x6 reinforced, steel hardware,
with a Master Lock).

Most of the time you can scare them off with noise, but
if it's a Momma bear, and her cubs are nearby and she
thinks something's a threat, she'll do her damndest to
rip that threat's throat out, be it a two-year old human, a
dog, or an adult.

I have toddlers who play in my yard. I hate to
say it like this, but it's Why I Have a Dog. My dog is
going to run apes**t circles around a Momma bear making
enough noise to wake Strom Thurmond and draw the Bear's
attention off of my kids. Long enough for Ma Bear
to either quit and leave, or go at the dog and have me
introduce her body cavity to the stopping power of a 12-
gauge sabot.

In this case, you're best off being accurate with a low-
velocity, high caliber weapon to readjust their attitude.
I like a 12-gauge shotgun loaded with sabots. Your
mileage may vary, but I don't like putting holes in
neighbors' houses 1/2 mile away, so I keep the 40 caliber
rifle with the high velocity rounds stowed in that
circumstance.

Of course, adjust for windage, and practice makes perfect.

[Jimmy Valentine]

Hey!! You ain't one of them "Pineys" are you?

[tcostell]

I'm right with you there... especially for the northeast where we live. I'm not trying to hit an Elk on the far side of a canyon. (I'd be lucky if I can see 75 yards on my property during Deer Season) And I can't think of anything else that delivers energy at short range like 1 oz. of lead.

[Malsua]

>>Hey!! You ain't one of them "Pineys" are you?<<

Heh, no. I'm a "Suxxor"...err, Sussex county person :)

[Hatteras]

"Yes, there are vast stretches of wilderness in NW NJ"

Whereabouts? I have relatives along the Ramapo River in Mahwah. They're on the side of a mountain overlooking the river and I believe the NY state line runs across the top of the ridge. I haven't been there in about 20 years but it sure was nice back then.

[MalcolmS]

>>>I would pay money to see a fool take on a bear with a shovel <<<

I believe the poster is encouraging you to shoot the bear (first picture), then bury the evidence (second picture) to avoid difficulties with the authorities. I have also heard this referred to as , shoot, shovel and shut up.

[8mmMauser]

What? No graphic for #3?

[8mmMauser]

Still in the sleeping bag, just like a burrito.

Why didn't they just shoot the bear? ....Uhhh OK>

[Malsua]

>>Whereabouts? I have relatives along the Ramapo River in Mahwah. They're on the side of a mountain overlooking the river and I believe the NY state line runs across the top of the ridge.<<

Yup, That's part of the area, essentially the easternmost part of it. From there west to Greenwood lake it's reasonably remote, from Greenwood lake west and a bit south of the NY border, in the mountainous areas, it's usually watershed. My property butts up against the Pequannock watershed. I walk out my back door, and I can walk south for about 7-8 miles before I come to another road(that isn't an unimproved fire trail).

If I walk to the North East towards New York(after I clear my town), there is _NADA_. Zilcho, nothing but steep mountains and valleys. No roads, no people, just trees, lakes and creeks. Oh and bears :).

There are some military sites in and around this area too. A couple of non-active nuke Silos to boot:). Those places usually have a rather large buffer of space around them.

[Gunslingr3]

I believe the poster is encouraging you to shoot the bear (first picture), then bury the evidence (second picture) to avoid difficulties with the authorities. I have also heard this referred to as , shoot, shovel and shut up.

I know. First thing my brother told me when we went deer hunting was that, "that bear has more rights than you do."

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

I heard about this on the local radio. Pretty crazy. I'm glad this hasn't happened to me when I've camped out.

[manic4organic]

Hold muh bear and watch this

[Coleus]

and the kooks want to protect the bears.

I wonder what the kid had on his breath to attract the bear? He should have brushed his teeth before going to bed.

[Calpernia]

Strike that second. Bears are good eating.

[Calpernia]

What the enviro 'mentals' have overlooked is, the non hunting hurts the animals they would like to protect more than save.

Animals mass produce so their population survives. When you remove the predator, the animals don't die off naturally. I'm all for restrictions. These are needed for the irresponsible. But 'protecting' animals to the point of food shortages, disease, et al hurts everyone.

And, as I think you have noticed, I AM AGAINST trophy hunting or hunting to bury the animal. Use it, otherwise, it is murder.

Ok, I'm done with my soapbox.