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Iranian Alert -- DAY 32 -- LIVE THREAD PING LIST
Live Thread Ping List | 7.11.2003 | DoctorZin

Posted on 07/11/2003 12:20:26 AM PDT by DoctorZIn

The world media has all but ignored this week's dramatic events in Iran. The regime has worked hard to keep this story from being reported.

From jamming satellite broadcasts, to prohibiting news reporters from covering any demonstrations to shutting down all cell phones and even hiring foreign security to control the population, the regime is doing everything in its power to keep the popular movement from expressing its demand for an end of the regime.

In spite of this, as Michael Ledeen posted recently, "...we can already say that the regime's intimidation was not successful. And you have to admire the courage of these young Iranians..."

Iran is a country ready for a regime change. If you follow this thread you will witness, I believe, the transformation of a country. This daily thread provides a central place where those interested in the events in Iran can find the best news and commentary.

Please continue to join us here, post your news stories and comments to this thread.

Thanks for all the help.

DoctorZin


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3 posted on 07/11/2003 12:24:15 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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I am glad to post a backgrounder article on the Iranian situation. It is a must read.

What to do with Tehran?

July 11, 2003 | Amir Taheri

Whichever way you look at it, Iran and the United States are engaged in what amounts to a mini-version of the Cold War in the Middle East. It all started almost a quarter of a century ago when the Khomeinist movement, backed by Soviet-sponsored Communists of various shades, overthrew the Shah's regime and established a totalitarian system with a religious vocabulary.

During that period Iranian agents seized and held over 100 American hostages, releasing them only after Tehran exacted concessions from Washington. Several hostages were murdered, including a US Marine colonel, hanged by the Hezballah in Beirut, and the CIA station chief in Lebanon who was transferred to Tehran and died under torture during interrogation.
In the same period Tehran organised terrorist attacks in which over 300 Americans, including 241 Marines were killed in Lebanon and other parts of the Middle East.

Iran's Khomeinist regime has also acted as the principal opponent of all US-backed peace initiatives in the region. In 1982 Iran founded the Lebanese branch of the Hezballah that, in time, emerged as the most active force against the " peace process" in the region.
Today, the Hezballah is one of the world's strongest unofficial armies and, equipped with some 10,000 medium-range Iranian-made Fajr IV missiles, is capable of attacking any target in Israel. It also enjoys high prestige in the region as the only Arab force that managed to drive Israel out of a chunk of occupied Arab territory.

For much of the 1980s Iran also tried to foment revolution in a number of Arab states with friendly ties to the US. Among those targeted were Kuwait, where a plot to kill the Emir was aborted at the last moment. Bahrain suffered years of violence promoted by Iranian agents while Saudi Arabia witnessed a number of terrorist attacks organised by groups linked to Tehran.

So intense was Iran's promotion of terrorism that several Arab countries, including Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain severed diplomatic ties with it for varying lengths of time.

In 1987 the Islamic Republic and the United States became directly engaged in military conflict. President Ronald Reagan dispatched the US Navy to protect Kuwaiti oil tankers against missile attacks by Iran. The Iranians, testing US resolve, continued to fire at the Kuwaiti tankers. The American riposte came hard and fast and led to the sinking of more than half of the Iranian Navy's combat fleet. The US navy also dismantled several Iranian offshore oil installations, inflicting an estimated $2 billion in damages.

For part of the 1990s Iran was the main source of support, including money and arms, for the military fundamentalist regime in the Sudan. Iranian mullahs also backed various terrorist groups operating against a number of Muslim countries, including Turkey.

With the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq, Iran emerges as the principal source of support for all radical Palestinian groups, including Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the People's Front for the liberation of Palestine.

Today, Tehran is the only place where terrorists from all over the world can still meet and operate in the open. Every year, from 1 to 10 February, Tehran hosts a festival of radicalism in which terror groups, including the last remaining Marxist-Leninist ones, come together to exchange views and coordinate strategies. The Shining Path may have been defeated in Peru. But it still has a big office in one of Tehran's poshest streets. The main Colombian terror group FARC operates several front companies based in Tehran. At least 22 other terrorist groups maintain offices, and in some cases, such as the PKK, which fought a 15-year war against Turkey, even operational and logistical bases in various parts of Iran.

Tehran is the only capital where several of its major streets are named after convicted terrorists. The street where the British Embassy is located is named after Bobby Sands, an IRA leader of the 1970s. The street where the Egyptian Embassy, now empty, is situated is named after Khalid al-Islambouli, the man who killed President Anwar Sadat.

Iran's Khomeinist leaders are convinced that modern history will be a repeat of what happened in early the Islamic era. At that time the world was dominated by two " superpowers", the Persian Empire and Byzantium. Within three decades, however, both empires had been destroyed, almost all of their territories captured by Muslim armies.

According to Ali Khamenehi, Iran's " Supreme Guide", the late Ayatollah Khomeini, known to his followers as " The Imam", had the " divine mission of reviving Islam" and " putting it on its natural path of cleansing the whole world."

" The contemporary world has been dominated by perfidious empires: the Soviet Union and the United States," Khamenehi said in a celebrated speech in 1991. " Now, one of the two empires, the Communist one, has collapsed thanks to its defeat by the forces of Islam in Afghanistan. Our energies should now be directed at dismantling the other incarnation of perfidy which is the Great Satan, America."

Thus anti-Americanism and the dream of destroying the United States lie at the heart of the Khomeinist ideology. Without it, Khomeinism would lack a coherent discourse and could quickly lose its hard core of supporters who still believe that, one way or another, the whole of mankind would be converted to their brand of Islam.

The liberation of Afghanistan from the Taleban and of Iraq from Saddam Hussein, have added two new theatres to the cold war waged between Tehran and Washington.

In Afghanistan, Tehran has armed and continues to finance a number of armed groups with the aim of preventing Hamid Karzai, the pro-American interim president, from establishing a support base and gaining a durable hold on power.

Iran's closest allies in Afghanistan are the Hazara Shiites who form a majority of the population in two provinces: Bamiyan and Maydanshahr in central Hindukush. With Iranian money and weapons, the Hazara now have the second most powerful indigenous military force in Afghanistan, second only to that of the Panjshiris led by "Marshall" Qassim Fahim. But Iran is also supporting the Pushtun extremist leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar who has concluded an alliance with the remnants of the Taleban and is mounting growing attacks against the Americans and their allies in southern Afghanistan. Iran has also concluded a number of accords with Ismail Khan, the " Emir" of Heart who controls six western provinces.

More interesting is the fact that Iran has allowed large the Taleban and the Al Qaeda terrorist groups to seek refuge in its territory. There is, of course, little love lost between Iran and the Sunni militants of the Taleban-Al Qaeda axis. But there is a shared interest: to prevent a pro-American regime to be established in Kabul.

Despite Tehran's denials, large numbers of Taleban and Al Qaeda militants and sympathisers are currently in Iran. According to our sources some Iranian border villages, including Pishin, Qasr Qand and Dost Muhammad now shelter hundreds of Taleban and Al Qaeda fighters and their families. More prominent Al Qaeda and Taleban figures openly live in the larger frontier cities of Khash, Zahedan and Zabol.

On a smaller scale the Islamic Republic is also engaged in a campaign against the US and its allies in other parts of the region, notably in Transcaucasia where, in coordination with Russia, it backs Armenia against Azerbaijan.

During the past six months Iran has arrested over 200 Arab Al Qaeda members and/or sympathisers and returned them over to their respective native countries. But those were individuals whose names were given to the Iranian authorities by their respective governments, notably Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

All others are allowed to stay, presumably because Iran believes they may one day become useful for its designs in Afghanistan or other Muslim countries.

The Islamic Republic is also engaged in what amounts to a low intensity war against the US presence in Iraq. There, Iran is joined by Syria that is trying to gain control of what is left of the Iraqi Ba'ath Party.

Iran has not put all its eggs in one basket in Iraq. It maintains much influence in the newly renamed High Council for the Liberation of Iraq, led by Muhammad Baqer al-Hakim al-Tabatabai. The group's military wing, the Badr (Full Moon) Brigade maintains close ties with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard in Tehran. But Iran also finances several other smaller Shiite groups, including a breakaway faction of the Al-Daawah (The Call) Party. In the northern part of Iraq, Tehran finances and largely controls the Kurdish branch of the Hezb Allah plus a number of tribal networks. The current Iranian strategy is aimed at preventing the US from securing a support base for an eventual pro-American administration in Baghdad. Tehran pursues that strategy through a mixture of threat, bribery and actual violence against those tempted to tilt towards Washington.

One thing is certain: The Khomeinist regime regards itself as a regional "superpower" and is determined to do all it can to prevent the Bush administration from imposing its new " political architecture" on the Middle East.

" The idea that the United States could impose its wishes on the Middle East and marginalise our revolution is based on a dangerous illusion," says Ali Akbar Velayati, a former foreign minister and now senior advisor to Khamenehi.

Now involved in the Middle East more deeply than ever, the US has no choice but review its attitude towards Iran.

What could the US do?

Ignoring Iran is not possible. The Khomeinist leadership pursues an active anti-American policy at various levels. It is determined to opposed and, when possible, frustrate US policies on a wide range of issues in the Middle East, Transcaucasia, the Persian Gulf, the Caspian Basin and Central Asia.

At the same time the Khomeinist regime has embarked on a programme of massive military build up. With help from North Korea, It has already developed a wide range of missiles, based on Soviet and Chinese models, and has the industrial potential to produce large quantities of chemical and biological weapons. There is now little doubt that the Islamic Republic is also working on a military nuclear programme that is expected to reach production stage by 2005.

If ignoring Iran is not possible, containing it is not a realistic option either. After Russia, Iran is the one country in the world with the largest number of neighbours. It is thus directly important in the affairs of numerous nations in some of the unstable parts of the globe.

So what are the other options?

A version of détente as practised between the US and the USSR from the 1970s onwards could, of course, be an option for dealing with the Islamic Republic.

The Khomeinist regime has shown that it understands the language of power. Whenever its survival has been in jeopardy it has backed down without any qualms. It has shown that , unlike Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist regime in Iraq, it is not suicidal.

But détente could strengthen the Khomeinist regime at a time that is facing the most serious challenge to its rule at home. Détente could prolong the Khomeinist regime's historical lifespan just as it did in the case of the Soviet Union. Given legitimacy and access to world capital markets and US technology, the Khomeinist regime may last several more decades during which the new "political architecture" of the Middle East, as envisaged by President Bush would have to be left on the backburner.

If détente is ruled out, military confrontation may emerge as an option. But Iran is certainly not a pushover as Afghanistan and Iraq. The Khomeinist regime has a stronger popular base than did Saddam or the Taleban. Iran is also better armed and could , if provoked, inflict serious damage on some of the United States closest allies in the region.

In a military showdown with the US, the Khomeinist regime will be ultimately defeated. But such a showdown could lead to a disintegration of Iran, triggering decades of conflict and crises with repercussions that are not easy to foresee.

Possibly the most effective option would be a mixture of political, diplomatic and economic pressure backed by the threat of military force. The Khomeinist regime, currently split between hardliners and moderates, is also facing a growing popular opposition movement. That movement is still in gestation, its core ideology and eventual leadership still unclear. But there is evidence that the anti-Khomeinist movement harbours some democratic sentiments and is generally well disposed towards the US.

Many analysts believe that the historic countdown against the Khomeinist regime has started. Some foresee its demise within the next year or so. I am not so sure. One thing, however, is certain, the Khomeinist regime has become "overthrowable". It has lost a good part of its revolutionary and religious legitimacy, is rejected by many from within its traditional support base, and, weakened by corruption and mismanagement, lacks the moral authority to crackdown against its opponents.

Thus the US should consider supporting the Iranian opposition movement and encouraging its latent democratic aspirations. But regime change in Tehran should not be perceived as an American project. It should remain an Iranian enterprise backed by the US and other democratic powers.

Amir Taheri is an Iranian journalist and author of 10 books on the Middle East and Islam. He's available through www.benadorassociates.com.

©2003 Amir Taheri

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GuestColumns/Taheri20030711.shtml

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4 posted on 07/11/2003 12:42:04 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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This is a comment posted by Reza1400 at www.daneshjoo.org. It shows a Persian perspective on Arabs and Islam. I found it really interesting.

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I agree that we must not hate Arabs. However, one must keep in mind that Arabs are not a race, so it can not be called racism when measures are taken against them.

Indeed, they are the pillagers of Persian culture and have tried for 1400 years to wipe it out and replace it with their simple-minded, dictatorial, barbaric doctrine. But, it is in true irony that Iranian Culture has prevailed as it always has throughout its history, taken the plight of invaders, twisted it and customized it to its own moral and cultural standards - which have been far beyond Arab comprehension - and tamed the world around with it.

More Iranians died in the invasion of 1980 than Iraqis and that is a fact. Many rapes were committed by Iraqis, so even if they were forced to fight, they truly revelled in destroying the sanctity of women where they could.

Someone here mentioned that they have similar goals to Iranians in seeking a democratic and secular way of life. That is a grave misunderstanding of the Arab world. Many citizens of Saudi Arabia would get very defensive if you speak of democracy; and act as if you are attacking Islam. They simply are not comfortable with it. Indeed, it is the Egyptian people who are pressuring the government toward further islamification. It is the female students at the American University in Cairo who insist on the hijab dresscode. And maybe that is because of the incapability of Arab men to control their urges in public.

If the Arab world is full of dictators, it is because the Arab people create them and need them. The people of Iran, only after ten years into the reign of the Islamic Republic began building extensive underground opposition and resistance to the regime and this day they are prevailing. Under the extremely strict limitations imposed upon our students, they have blossomed to the maximum potentials they could achieve, and in many cases achieved much more than those on the outside. Our nation is a mine of knowledge and cultivation of thought.

After almost three decades of rule under Saddam Hussein, and after the coalition takeover, we have yet to hear of an effective Iraqi resistance. This is not to say that many Iraqis are not genuinely nice people, as many Muslims are. But, that there is an Islamic Barricade placed upon them, which has political and social ramifications where tolerance is concerned. And this barricade is all the security that they have. Without it, they are simple and complete barbarians for they do not feel at ease with accepting anything new.

Observing the Arab world, no major contribution to the modern world can be associated with them, except from Christian Arabs, such as Khalil Gibran, the famous poet. The Arab world itself came into existence after the emergence of Islam during the Arabization of the ancient hordes i.e. Babylonians, Egyptians, Europeans, European concubines( many of whom are the ancestors of blue-eyed and blond-haired people we see in Lebanon, Jordan etc..).

Therefore, Arabs are not a race. They are merely a concept. It is a concept with which, I do not agree, for it has destroyed many an ancient civilization including the great Egyptian Empire, which Egyptians do not pay homage to and instead have chosen Islam for national identity and declared themselves as Arabs.

It is a concept whose elements must be wiped out of Iranian culture in order for an harmonic and prosperous future for Iran. A future regime must adamantly promote a revitalization of ancient Persian culture and that will remain as the only cure for the plague, which has ravaged our nation for centuries.

5 posted on 07/11/2003 12:54:29 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: DoctorZIn
Thanks for the ping
6 posted on 07/11/2003 5:10:21 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: DoctorZIn
Read this last night. Eye opening,extremely informative. Should be required reading on college campuses,(and high schools) so the students here understand what the U.S. is really up against, and get "the big picture".
If we don't make Iran and it's neighbors in the Middle East our focus,(while keeping an eye on N.Korea & China), we'd better get real good at being isolationists, and spending all our military budget on defending our boarders and constructing an impenetrable defensive shield (SDI?, Star Wars?), so that we can sit back, watch T.V, collect our social security checks, and drive our SUV's, without the rude interruption from an attack by one of these "merry" bands of terrorists.
7 posted on 07/11/2003 6:22:49 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: DoctorZIn
Every year, from 1 to 10 February, Tehran hosts a festival of radicalism in which terror groups, including the last remaining Marxist-Leninist ones, come together to exchange views and coordinate strategies.

Sounds like a target rich enviroment to me. Be a real shame if a bomb "accidently" fell on them..yup a real shame.
8 posted on 07/11/2003 6:37:13 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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Was thinking the same thing.
Hey, weren't we thinking the same thing last night about Pres. Bush's re-election?
9 posted on 07/11/2003 6:44:54 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
Amazing how great minds think alike.
10 posted on 07/11/2003 6:48:53 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: All
Khashayar is fine and will report to us later.
11 posted on 07/11/2003 6:53:12 AM PDT by nuconvert
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I am ok up to now.

A hot news is that, around 250 people arrested on 9th of July.
I will report more on that later.
12 posted on 07/11/2003 7:21:06 AM PDT by Khashayar
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Pictures of rally in Toronto,Canada; 9th of july:
http://news.gooya.com/2003/07/10/1007-s-17.php

Pictures of rally in Germany:
http://news.gooya.com/2003/07/10/1007-s-14.php

Pictures of rally in Sweden:
http://news.gooya.com/2003/07/10/1007-s-14.php

Pictures of rally in Italy:
http://news.gooya.com/2003/07/09/0907-h-12.php
13 posted on 07/11/2003 7:28:57 AM PDT by Khashayar
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At least 5 killed, Tens wounded and Hundreds arrested in the new July 9th crackdown

By SMCCDI (Information Service)
Jul 10, 2003, 4:55pm

At least 5 demonstrators were killed while tens of others were wounded and hundreds more arrested in the new July 9th's crackdown in Iran.

Two of the deads were reported in the Capital City of Tehran, including an old lady, and one more in the central City of Esfahan.

Tens of other were seriously wounded, including several in critical conditions while hundreds of other joined those arrested in last month's crackdown.

The Islamic republic regime showed once again its repressive and dictatorial nature while claiming to carry a mission of Dialogue Among Civilizations.

The massive crackdown carried, simultaneously, in most Iranian cities intended to break the possibility of more mass riots generated at the occasion of the 4th anniversary of the July 9th, 1999, Student Uprising.

Confirmed reports are stating about a radicalization of the situation as many young are joining those beleiving of the need of actions of a more radical nature intending to overcome of the rulling theocractic regime and its mercenaries.

http://www.daneshjoo.org/generalnews/article/publish/article_1080.shtml

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14 posted on 07/11/2003 7:32:22 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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More Sporadic clashes rock Iranian cities

By SMCCDI (Information Service)
Jul 11, 2003, 1:23am

More sporadic clashes rocked main Iranian cities, yesterday evening and for the 2nd consecutive night, as small groups of protesters and freedom fighters used the darkness of the night in order to come into streets and squares to show their rejection of the Islamic regime.

East and South Tehran, Esfahan, Shiraz, Kermanshah and Ahwaz were scenes of new violences as the regime's special forces and plainclothes men attacked the demonstrators.

Sporadic but violent clashes happened as groups of masked freedom fighters retaliated to the attck of the regime forces who were using plastic bullets, knives and chains against any demonstrators no matter their age or gender. Molotov Cocktails and other incendiary devices were used against the regime forces often falling in prepared traps.

Groups of young were waiting, on top of roofs, for the militiamen who were chasing female protesters in darkened streets.

The most violent clashes happened in the 2nd and 3rd squares of Tehran Pars and Javadieh in the Capital, in the Robat street of Esfahan and the University area of Ahwaz by resulting in several new wounded among the demonstrators but also among the regime's men.

Tens of other demonstrators were seen beaten while some of them were already arrested or laying on the ground due to their injuries.

http://www.daneshjoo.org/generalnews/article/publish/article_1082.shtml

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15 posted on 07/11/2003 7:45:22 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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16 posted on 07/11/2003 7:51:55 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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bttt
17 posted on 07/11/2003 7:56:18 AM PDT by firewalk
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IRAN's Unrest turned out to be bigger than expected But it made nary a wave in American media....Why?

July 10, 2003 / 7:03 PM ET

IRAN UPDATE

Yesterday’s protests turned out to be bigger than expected, and produced many arrests and considerable violence. But they made nary a wave in American media. Neither the Washington Post nor the New York Times featured them on their web edition front pages today. The BBC had a lead story on Iran — but it was about funeral arrangements for the pair of conjoined twins whose separation surgery failed. Stories on the pro-freedom protests were “stuffed” inside. But the blogosphere was buzzing. This led Jeff Jarvis to write:

The blogosphere’s news judgment is evident on Blogdex and it’s not the news judgment you’ll see on major news sites. On Blogdex right now, the top two stories are about Iran. Elsewhere (on the BBC or on Google News, for example), you won’t find Iran on the front page.
Blogdex reflects the news judgment of the audience. It reflects the news the audience cares about. The two should not disagree. But they do.

But if you’re interested in knowing more, you can visit Iranian blogger Hossein Derakshan (whose site is being blocked by the Iranian Mullarchy), Pejman Yousefzadeh, and the folks at Winds of Change, as well as the protesters’ own site, Project Free Iran.

In the meantime, as Jeff Jarvis notes, the blogosphere is mocking the Big Media for its inability, or unwillingness, to cover this issue. Check out this savagely accurate cartoon from Cox and Forkum. And speaking of cartoons, Chris Muir’s Day by Day strip — which, if life were fair, would be on the editorial pages of most American newspapers — has made Iran a topic all week.

You can also see blog coverage of pro-Iranian-freedom protests in America — which, like pro-war protests by Iraqi-Americans, have been almost completely ignored by Big Media — here and here.

If Iraqis were protesting in these kinds of numbers against American occupation, it would be all over the news. And if American occupation authorities were engaging in the kinds of out-and-out thuggishness that the Iranian mullahs are, the world would be calling us uncivilized savages.

It's bad enough when a crucial story goes virtually unreported by the major media, but the BBC takes the cake in this story: Tehran jammed by protesters. They provide a list of actions taken by the tyrannical regime to suppress the protests, such as jamming outside radio and TV signals, disabling mobile phone systems, and arresting student leaders. The problem is that the BBC lists them under the subhead "Safety measures," which I'm sure is exactly the way mullahs categorize of them.

So why don’t they care about what the mullahs are doing to Iranians? Is it because they don’t care what happens to Iranians? Or because they don’t care about thuggishness that can’t be blamed on America? Either way, the media look bad.

Again.

http://www.krsi.net/news/detail.asp?NewsID=261
18 posted on 07/11/2003 8:02:22 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: DoctorZIn
I like that editorial cartoon. Very appropriate, I think.

I do feel badly for the twins' parents, their grief must be terrible. But, the media is missing the story!
19 posted on 07/11/2003 8:16:00 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: nuconvert
Thank you for the update.
20 posted on 07/11/2003 8:16:48 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: DoctorZIn
Thank you, keep up the important work!
21 posted on 07/11/2003 8:18:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: DoctorZIn
Taheri's article seemed to be a bit of a wet blanket, though seemingly good analysis. But this I quite agree with:

But regime change in Tehran should not be perceived as an American project. It should remain an Iranian enterprise backed by the US and other democratic powers.

22 posted on 07/11/2003 8:27:07 AM PDT by Eala (Freedom for Iran -- http://eala.freeservers.com/iranrally)
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To: DoctorZIn
Thanks for the pings. Always a great read...
23 posted on 07/11/2003 8:29:05 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"Therefore, Arabs are not a race. They are merely a concept"

Several months ago I read a fascinating and excellent book, "The Arab Mind," (Raphael Patai, published ca. 1972). Patai points this out early: the Arabs are not a race but a culture, a culture that binds them together in concentric rings of loyalty ("I against my brothers; I and my brothers against my cousins; I and my cousins against the world"), with the outermost division between the Dar-es-Salaam ("House of Peace" or Islam) and the Dar-es-Harb ("House of War", or the rest of the world?).

A very short tour of some of the topics of the book is online at: http://www.hope-of-israel.org/amind.html.

24 posted on 07/11/2003 8:42:18 AM PDT by Eala (Freedom for Iran -- http://eala.freeservers.com/iranrally)
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Re #24

That means that Islam solidifies the mentality of nomadic tribes.

25 posted on 07/11/2003 8:44:54 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Eala
Patai is a genius..or was. I first learned of him when I read his obit. I ordered everyone of his books and read them with pleasure.I agree wholeheartedly, his book on the Arab mind is excellent.
26 posted on 07/11/2003 8:53:30 AM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: Khashayar
Khashayar, Many thanks for posting those links!

Even if the press ignores the demonstrations, these help to make them more real.

27 posted on 07/11/2003 8:56:08 AM PDT by Eala (Freedom for Iran -- http://eala.freeservers.com/iranrally)
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To: DoctorZIn
For the second night...good to hear. It's not all over until next July as some would have us believe... If they can keep this up another week, they'll get media attention. Although no media coverage happens on the weekend.(the world stops Friday at 4:00pm and starts again Monday morning) Maybe they can take 2 days to rest and regroup.
28 posted on 07/11/2003 9:18:31 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
I don't know if they should wait for the attention of the media. If the protestors and students are able to gain momentum, then they should keep pressing the government.
29 posted on 07/11/2003 9:29:41 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
The media can't really be depended upon.(it was partly tongue in cheek). If the momentum is there, go for it. I agree.
30 posted on 07/11/2003 9:37:46 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: DoctorZIn
"So why don’t they care about what the mullahs are doing to Iranians? Is it because they don’t care what happens to Iranians? Or because they don’t care about thuggishness that can’t be blamed on America? Either way, the media look bad.
"IRAN's Unrest turned out to be bigger than expected But it made nary a wave in American media....Why?"

I'll try to answer this: The Iranian people like Americans. They like President Bush because he said he supports them.
Now, the liberal media doesn't like President Bush. They don't want to do anything that makes America and President Bush look good. If they cover the Iranian demonstrations, they'll be covering people who like America and President Bush. Maybe even holding up signs that they like President Bush. Can't have that. So, they minimize the coverage, or slant the administration's policy so hopefully there won't be much of a demonstration to cover. Then afterward, they minimize the size of the demonstrations in what little reporting they do, just to let us know that we really didn't miss much by their not covering them in the first place.
[I could go on, but I think this generally answers the question]

31 posted on 07/11/2003 10:09:01 AM PDT by nuconvert
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Iran - A Nation Under Siege

By Reza Bayegan
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 11, 2003

Iran's vibrant, freedom-loving protesters have shown their resolve in the face of roving gangs of toughs scourging the crowds for their faith in democracy. In so doing, they echo a long line of persecuted Iranians before them. Four years ago, a group of Islamic vigilantes armed with knives and clubs attacked student dormitories around Tehran University, killing one student and injuring many others. The anniversary of this day, July 9th, was marked all over the world. I went to one of these rallies myself in front of the European Parliament in Brussels. Several thousand Iranians had converged from all over Europe, chanting and waving a pre-Revolutionary flag that has come to symbolize a rejection of all the underpinnings of Iran's brutal Islamic Republic. Above all else, young Iranians demand an end to the policy of sponsoring terrorism inside the country and abroad. They are calling for the removal of religious dictatorship and the holding of a free referendum to decide the political future of their country.



Inside Iran, the anti-government protests were nothing short of heroic. Thousands of people showed up to display their opposition to the clerical regime at the peril of their lives. By turning up for this demonstration they risked attack, imprisonment, torture and death. They made it clear that they can no longer wait for their rightful demands. These determined people managed to make their voices heard in spite of the government's massive preparations designed to head off the anniversary it has come to dread. Last month, close to 4,000 people were arrested during ten nights of violent protests across the country. To drain the crowd available for any such gathering, the Tehran University campus was shut down and examinations were cancelled. Satellite stations broadcasting from the United States in support of the pro-democracy movement in Iran were jammed, in order to cut off all lines of communication between the students and the outside world. The authorities even went as far as taking measures to disable the operation of mobile telephones around the usual sites of demonstrations.



The marking of this fourth anniversary has demonstrated an evolution in the form and content of the pro-democracy movement in post-revolutionary Iran. In previous years, the students refrained from fighting back the Islamic vigilantes. The political transformation they are seeking is firmly embedded in a peaceful and non-violent philosophy. From the painful experience of the past few years, however, they have learned to distinguish between initiating an act of violence and defending their own lives from a radical, theocratic government. During the recent protests, pro-democracy students have changed their method by fighting back and engaging in street battles with trained thugs at the beck and call of the supreme leader. They know they cannot count on the "compassion" and understanding of their opponents. They have to struggle tooth-and-nail for their lives as well as their inalienable rights as free human beings.



Another difference with the past has emerged in the increasing clarity of the political battle lines. Intelligent Iranians no longer waste any hope in figures like Mohammad Khatami and the illusory reform movement associated with his presidency. The taboo of keeping the supreme leader above criticism has also been broken. The shouts of “Death to Khamenei” and “Death to Khatami” are an indication that the chickens have come home to roost for the political hypocrisy of the Islamic Republic, and no color and style of turban can hide the moral bankruptcy of the ruling establishment.



One of the important points the Iranian exiles turning up in front of international agencies were trying to get across was to draw world attention to the real emergency of the situation in Iran. Their actions underlined the plight of a nation under siege. What the European community - and also some forces within the government of the United States - fail to realize is that Iran is a ticking time bomb. The grave political problems in Iran are not going to go away and they cannot be solved within the present system. Today's strong freedom movement in Iran idolizes, and seeks a natural alliance with, Western democracies. If the free world fails to give its wholehearted support to this movement now, their enthusiasm for the West may wane.



What is certain is that there can be no better way to earn the trust of the Iranian people than by showing upholding the universality of democratic rights. The Iranian nation should be able to count on the sympathy of its fellow human beings worldwide, especially freedom's friends within the United States. When the Jews were being slaughtered in Germany, many objected to getting involved in Germany's "family fight." Nazis were no kin to the Jews, and the Iranian people are no kin to the club-waving vigilantes beating them to maintain an Islamic dictatorship's illegitimate power. The question is, How long will it take for the world to realize that there is no family resemblance? And at what price its hesitation?

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=8865
32 posted on 07/11/2003 10:12:40 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: DoctorZIn
Doc, have you given NITV a copy of the Hannity transcript
along with a copy of Ledeen's article? It would be helpful if the Iranian Community had access to the full story. At least it would put an end to the "family fight" "feud" business.
33 posted on 07/11/2003 10:24:06 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert; DoctorZIn
Another point is that the liberal press does not believe in liberty for all... only liberty for some.

In the case of Iraq, the media and the liberals would say, that they did have concern for the oppressed in Iraq, they did think that Hussein was an evil madman, but they did not see how our intervening would help matters.

During Hussein's last election and his birthday celebration, the media expressed awe that Hussein was so loved! They did not want the American people to think about the people who were dying.

It is almost like the liberals are such elitists that they believe only their concern has value. For them, emotion is more important than action. Offering sympathy is more important than doing the hard work to help the suffering.

They do not believe anything is worth risking an American soldier's life. And for that, they are beneath contempt. For, if America is not watchful, one day we will need to protect ourselves, and the liberals will be too weak to stand up for their rights.

I am not a war monger, but I do believe that America has a duty to help those who can't help themselves. We have a long history of helping spread democracy, and it is in our vital interest. This is why I support the Iranian students. The Iranians need to be given the respect of the Western world, in that they value very much that which we can take for granted. If we stand up and support them, we ourselves are the better for it.
34 posted on 07/11/2003 10:28:26 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Eala; DoctorZIn; RaceBannon; risk; nuconvert; ewing; yonif; piasa; rontorr
http://news.gooya.com/2003/07/11/1107-ff-02.php
An English version of a notice from Amnesty International about lastest arrests.
35 posted on 07/11/2003 10:49:52 AM PDT by Khashayar
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To: DoctorZIn
bump
36 posted on 07/11/2003 11:03:19 AM PDT by risk
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; TigerLikesRooster; GOPJ; Texas_Dawg; BeforeISleep; Tamsey; Grampa Dave; PhiKapMom; ..
Pictures of rally in Toronto,Canada; 9th of july:
http://news.gooya.com/2003/07/10/1007-s-17.php

Pictures of rally in Germany:
http://news.gooya.com/2003/07/10/1007-s-14.php

Pictures of rally in Sweden:
http://news.gooya.com/2003/07/10/1007-s-14.php

Pictures of rally in Italy:
http://news.gooya.com/2003/07/09/0907-h-12.php

Amnest International:
http://news.gooya.com/2003/07/11/1107-ff-02.php


37 posted on 07/11/2003 11:04:27 AM PDT by Khashayar
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To: Khashayar
Thank You. So, 2 of the 3 students are still being held somewhere?
38 posted on 07/11/2003 11:18:26 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: Khashayar
Thanks for the ping.
39 posted on 07/11/2003 11:20:38 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: nuconvert
...Doc, have you given NITV a copy of the Hannity transcript along with a copy of Ledeen's article?...

Go to my web page and check out yesterday's posts. They should both be there.
40 posted on 07/11/2003 11:35:52 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Journalist held in Iran brain-dead, son says

By By Kinda Jayoush
Jul 11, 2003, 10:41am

A Montreal photojournalist of Iranian origin, who was detained in Tehran last month on suspicion of being a spy, is brain-dead and not in a coma, her son Stephan Hachemi said yesterday. The family of Zahra Kazemi, 53, had said earlier she was beaten into a coma following her arrest while taking photographs of Evin prison in the northern part of Tehran on or about June 23. Hachemi had said Kazemi spoke with her mother in Iran to inform her of the arrest. "There was a misunderstanding," he said yesterday. "She did not talk with my grandmother after her arrest; it was before the arrest. Maybe she was taken directly to the hospital after the arrest because it was so violent and brutal." "We are not sure of anything now," Hachemi said. He said the family is trying to have a foreign doctor check on her and write a medical report on her condition. "Before, (the hospital) said she was in a coma, had a brain hemorrhage and a 50-per-cent survival chance, but now they are saying she is brain-dead. "I think the best way to help my mother is to bring her to Montreal soon." Reynald Doiron, a spokesperson for the Foreign Affairs Department, said two Canadian embassy officials visited Kazemi at the hospital yesterday and gave her family a briefing. "We are still waiting for the report from the Iranian Foreign Ministry," he said. "We also briefed her family on the Canadian officials' visit." Doiron said the department will reveal details of the visit only to the family. Hachemi said a Canadian official telephoned him from Tehran yesterday to inform him of the hospital report, which said Kazemi is brain-dead. The Iranian embassy in Ottawa said Iranian officials are checking into her case and will send the findings to the Canadians once the report is completed. "All that we know now is that she entered Iran as an Iranian citizen and not as a Canadian journalist," said a spokesperson for the Iranian embassy. Kazemi left Montreal for Iraq after the U.S.-led war, and was planning to report on the impact of the use of depleted-uranium weapons there. Melanie Navarro, assistant editor of Montreal's Recto Verso magazine, for which Kazemi used to write articles and take photographs, said Kazemi was waiting in Tehran for her visa to go to Turkmenistan and then to North Korea. "The last time I spoke with her was on June 23. She told me she wanted to postpone her departure until June 30 instead of the 23rd," Navarro said. "I guess she was covering the student demonstrations in Iran." Thousands of students were arrested in Iran last month after demonstrations calling for reforms in the Muslim theocracy. Kazemi had worked for Recto Verso on a freelance basis for about seven years. Her last report - which included a story and photos about political and social life in Afghanistan after a U.S.-led coalition toppled the Taliban - was published in April. Montreal's Iranian community expressed concern yesterday over Kazemi's condition and said organizations and members of the community have contacted her son to extend assistance. "We are trying to identify a medical expert and have him go to Iran with the help of the Canadian Foreign Affairs Department," said Amir Khadir, a physician and member of the Union des Forces Progressistes. "This doctor will examine her and decide the best way to help her." kjayoush@thegazette.canwest.com

http://www.daneshjoo.org/generalnews/article/publish/article_1092.shtml



41 posted on 07/11/2003 11:39:25 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Iran's frustrated generation
By By Frances Harrison
Jul 11, 2003, 10:41am

"Things have improved here but there are so many things I want to do and I just can't stop thinking about them," says 20-year-old Parisa - not her real name. Born after the 1979 Islamic Revolution she is part of the baby boom generation encouraged by high rates of population growth at the time of the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war. Parisa has just finished doing her university entrance exams. She has a one in five chance of admission. An estimated 70% of Iran's population is under 30 years of age. Opportunities for the young are thin on the ground with unemployment as high as 28% for those under 30. "Absolutely all of my friends would like to go abroad," says Parisa. She sports the latest Tehran fashion - bleached blonde long hair sticking out of her see-through headscarf, and tight drainpipe jeans with the skimpiest of short overcoats that does little to hide her figure. "At the parties I go to I see girls wearing very open clothes - short skirts and low-cut evening tops," Parisa says. Boredom She adds that her greatest wish is to be able to go to a party and not have to worry if she is going to end up in jail as a result, or to have a meal in a restaurant and not have to bother about her headscarf slipping off. It is sheer boredom that seems to be the greatest problem. "There's nothing for us to do here," she explains. "The most we can do is go from one coffee shop to another... there are sports clubs but they're all indoors. They're hot and not nice and anyway they're expensive to join." But the generation that experienced the pre-reform era believes young Iranians simply do not know how lucky they are. "It was an awful and closed society," says Surreya, explaining that the first years of the revolution saw debate as to whether women could even work. Surreya is a gym instructor and says inspectors used to come and check what music they were playing. "If we used this kind of rock and pop they didn't like it - they suggested we use monotone music without lyrics. But nowadays I don't see them around... we are free to do whatever we want," she says. Reformists' dilemma Women in their 30s describe going to weddings shrouded from head to toe and without any make-up or nail polish for fear of being stopped at a checkpoint and scrutinised. "When you compare the young people now with us they have all this freedom and they're so ungrateful and don't appreciate what they've got," says 34-year-old Nassim. "For us life now is like heaven, but the young think it's hell and they constantly moan and groan about everything," she says, pointing out that in the early years of the revolution there was no music at all but now there are Iranian rock bands who give concerts. The dilemma for the reformists is whether giving concessions to young people allows them more room for expression and thus protects the Islamic system of government - or whether it just whets their appetites for more freedoms that may ultimately undermine the system. "The older generation is not able to communicate properly with the young," says journalist Minda Badiyi, who specialises in youth issues and teaches communications at university level. "Today's young people want freedoms in line with what the young have everywhere else in the world. Because they are denied that we are a society in crisis," she says. " Calm and patient " Mrs Badiyi says the recent student unrest was a manifestation of this sense of discontent that officials have failed to address. In particular she says two decades after the revolution the state has failed to convince young girls of the need to wear headscarves and modest dress. "The government says we are an Islamic state and everyone must cover up, but the resistance of young girls is a big problem for them," she says. She argues that women should choose Islamic dress voluntarily based on their belief and not as a dictate from above. "We must try to balance the capacity for change and the demands of the younger generation," says reformist MP Dr Elaheh Koolaee. "It's very, very difficult, I know, but we must try," she says explaining the need for "dialogue with the younger generation to convince them to be calm, to be patient".

http://www.daneshjoo.org/generalnews/article/publish/article_1090.shtml
42 posted on 07/11/2003 11:42:53 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Pan_Yans Wife; fat city; freedom44; Tamsey; Grampa Dave; PhiKapMom; ...
“Set Journalists Free” says IFJ as Iran Cracks Down on Media

Jul 11, 2003, 10:41am

The International Federation of Journalists today called on Iran to free 17 journalists currently in detention and demanded an investigation into police brutality, which has left one Canadian journalist seriously injured. “There has been a series of brutal violations of journalists’ rights, which must be stopped,” said Aidan White, IFJ General Secretary. Security officers in civilian clothes arrested 54-year-old Canadian photojournalist Zahra Kazemi last month during widespread student protests. She allegedly took photos of a prison where many protestors were jailed. She sustained injuries in the custody of the Iranian police. “We are very concerned about her condition,” said White. “These attacks, which amount to censorship of the press, must be dealt with by the authorities and those responsible brought to justice.” In another attack, on 2 July, journalist Peyman Pakmehr, was attacked by armed men in civilian clothes just two hours after giving an interview to Radio FARDA, (Radio Free Europe), in conjunction with a large demonstration at Babam fortress, near Kaliber. Pakmehr previously worked for the daily Nasim Sabah and the weekly Ahrar Tabriz, both of which have now been closed down by the government. Another journalists, Ensafali Hedayat, of the now-closed daily Salam was arrested during a recent demonstration in Tabriz University, and was not given any food for 3 days while in police custody. He was accused of distributing propaganda against the Iranian government. Several other journalists have been beaten, arrested and imprisoned since the beginning of June. “The IFJ is deeply concerned at the growing numbers of violations against journalists’ safety and press rights,” said White. “All of this is an unacceptable attempt to stifle media coverage of opposition protests.” With seventeen journalists currently detained in Iran, the IFJ is supporting its affiliate, the Association of Iranian Journalists, and calls on the government to respect the human rights and safety of these journalists. “The struggle for press freedom is intensifying and journalists around the world must show increased solidarity with their colleagues in Iran, said White.” Further information: + 32 2 235 22 00 The IFJ represents more than 500,000 journalists in more than 100 countries

http://www.daneshjoo.org/generalnews/article/publish/article_1089.shtml

"If you want on or off this Iran ping list, Freepmail me”
43 posted on 07/11/2003 11:50:02 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: Khashayar
Thank you for the links to the pictures
& for the ping
44 posted on 07/11/2003 12:13:17 PM PDT by firewalk
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So now they are beating journalists?

Not a smart move!

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45 posted on 07/11/2003 12:17:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Iran Mullahs will feel the heat from our Iraq victory!)
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To: DoctorZIn

17 Journalists!!!

Have I been sleeping or what? This is an outrage.

The world press ought to put extreme pressure on Iran,

No more CNN covering up torture. Time to play watchdog.

46 posted on 07/11/2003 1:00:40 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: DannyTN
No Kidding!
We need to awaken the media.
47 posted on 07/11/2003 1:10:48 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: DoctorZIn
"We need to awaken the media. "

Can I suggest you post that story as a separate thread. It would get more attention and request people to ping their lists and contact the news media.

48 posted on 07/11/2003 1:19:46 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: DannyTN
I'll do it.
49 posted on 07/11/2003 1:25:24 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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Two other student leaders arrested in Iran

Friday, July 11, 2003 - ©2003 IranMania.com

TEHRAN, June 11 (AFP) - Two student leaders in Iran, Said Razavi Faghih and Mehdi Habibi, have been arrested, a senior higher education ministry official said Friday, quoted by the student news agency ISNA.

The latest arrests raised to five the number of students detained in 48 hours.

The two belong to the main pro-reform student movement, Office to Consolidate Unity (OCU), which groups several Islamic associations at universities in Tehran and the provinces.

Ali Akbar Mohseni, head of the ministry's security services, said Faghih was detained late Thursday at the order of the Tehran prosecutor's office.

Faghih lead a November 2002 protest movement against a death sentence imposed on reformist academic Hashem Aghajani for blasphemy. After 10 days of protests, the sentence was scrapped but a new ruling has yet to be announced.

Habibi is president of the Islamic association of students at Tehran's Amir Kabir University and a known liberal.

Three student activists were already arrested Wednesday, just minutes after holding a press conference to blast the Islamic regime for banning events marking the anniversary of bloody student clashes with security forces in 1999.

http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/Default.asp?NewsCode=16884&NewsKind=Current%20Affairs
50 posted on 07/11/2003 2:32:22 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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