Rice: CIA approved Bush remark on Iraq

AP | 7/11/03 | MIKE GLOVER

[Captain Kirk]

Err...um...you mean like freepers who used the disrepectful terms like "Rapist and Chief" during the Kosovo war? You're right. You "gotta wonder."

[RJCogburn]

The public would think less of Bush if he admits that he was duped by bad intelligence from people in the CIA or FBI or his Cabinet oor Cheney.

I'm part of the public and I'd think less of Bush if he does not act decisively to deal with what was, it seems, poor work by somebody. He has acted decisively in 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq. He can certainly do so here. Otherwise it looks like a coverup whether it is or not.

[RJCogburn]

They fed info to Bush they wanted so he'd come to the conclusion they wanted. Bush can't admit he was duped because it reflects poorly on him.

Then why would we not fear a further duping in the future?

[mr.pink]

What I gotta wonder about is why a Freeper would adopt the disrespectful language of the left -- use the term "Bushies" -- during time of war.

If you think "Bushies" is ill mannered and disrespectful....you should check out some of the "Road Map" threads. "Bushie" is pretty mild in comparison.

[William McKinley]

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

Unless you have the DNC using a complicit media to blow smoke, that is.

[No Truce With Kings]

"It's merely a huge failure of intelligence combined with a deception by those who wanted to go to war in the Administration. They fed info to Bush they wanted so he'd come to the conclusion they wanted.

Bush can't admit he was duped because it reflects poorly on him. So, no one will be held accountable. They'll just move on from here."

Well PFC's three contentions have been throroughly debunked on this thread already.

The claim that Bush knew that the uranium claim was false was made by a poseur pretending to be a CIA agent who was not present at the briefings where he claims Bush "concealed the truth."

You claim Bush was duped. Where and on what?

He was not duped about uranium -- that claim has been demonstrated to be a lie.

He was not duped on Iraqi ties to al Qaeda. They arrested an Iraqi intelligence colonel at an al Qaeda base in norther Iraq early in the war, and recently arrested an Iraqi diplomat who allegedly met with Atta prior to 9-11. At very worst -- if all of this proves to be smoke -- one can claim that the appearance did not match reality, but the link between Iraq and al Qaeda are strong enough that you do not want to bet the security of the nation on it not existing.

It has been demonstrated that Iraq had -- and used -- WMD in the past and did not comply with UN requirements to document their destruction. We recently found plans for reconstituting his nuclear program in Iraq -- again in violation of UN resolutions -- buried in a garden in Iraq. So I'd say Hussain *had* a nuclear program.

So since we have links to al Qaeda, a violation of Iraqi agreements on WMD and evidence that Hussain was developing nuclear weapons, what -- specifically -- was Bush duped on?

I am curious. I know others are. Either support your claim or retract it.

[Captain Kirk]

These "links" are far weaker than the evidence for the much strong links between Al Queda and top people in the Saudi regime. Why then aren't you on your hind legs demanding that we invade, police, and reconstruct Saudi Arabia?

[snooker]

Don't your rose bushes grow centrifuge parts like everyone
elses do? Funny how this gets shuffled away. If you have
centrifuges don't you need uranium feedstock? Not much good
unless you have something to put in them.

[Captain Kirk]

Even more mild when compared to terms like "Rapist and Chief" once used by many freepers during an earlier time of war.

[William McKinley]

It was a throwaway line, not a zinger. What evidence do you have that it was an overreach? About the only things suggesting that Bush had any reason to doubt the intelligence data are a story quoting a fictitious person from CHB that got picked up in several places, a CBS News story that contradicts itself, relies only on anonymous sources and may in fact be the exact same story as the CHB one (and not just similar to it), and a bunch of allegations from increasingly desperate Democrats.

[DannyTN]

"Let's look at the record. "

One other thing, the concern was not only about linkage with Al Quaeda but Saddam's support of international terrorism.

• Remember how Saddam used to brag about paying for the Palestinian terrorists.
• Remember all the suicide vests found in Iraq.

Again, by Saddam's own statements, he clearly had links to terrorism and he claimed to have a nuclear weapon program.

[rintense]

Completely agree. The Dems are going down the same road Republicans went down in 1998 with impeachment- they are looking for ANYTHING to get back at Republicans for damaging their boy, Clinton. And that's why they are using the 'Bush lied to the American people' trick- it's the same one used against Clinton. I wouldn't be surprised if the DNC themselves are orchestrating this entire thing.

[RJCogburn]

These "links" are far weaker than the evidence for the much strong links between Al Queda and top people in the Saudi regime. Why then aren't you on your hind legs demanding that we invade, police, and reconstruct Saudi Arabia?

Good questions worth answering.

[rintense]

Well the Germans would know all about alleged nuclear programs, now wouldn't they?

[rintense]

How do you know they know the info was bogus at the time of the speech?

[William McKinley]

Joseph Wilson? The guy who started in the Foreign Service under Jimmy Carter? The one who worked in the offices of then-Senator Al Gore and then-Majority Whip Thomas Foley?

I wonder why the media never mentions his partisan credentials?

[Just mythoughts]

"Paralyzed" is a good word for it but the Administration is still responsible for those independent agencies.

Bush has the credibility still to clean house and if he doesn't have the backbone to clean out his own house he has no business traveling the world cleaning out other houses.

Pointing fingers at "evil" around the world when your own government agencies are filled with "evil" sellouts makes one a hypocrite, or at least surrounded by pushers of hypocrisy.

[zook]

You betray your true purposes ("war without end").

No longer will I sit back and allow a bunch of phony conservative trash talk to go unchallenged on this site. I'll be damned if I'll sit back an let it become DU-Lite.

We've been at war with radical Islam for over 20 years, but President Bush is the first one to realize it and try to do something about it.