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Harry Truman's Forgotten Diary
The Washington Post ^ | July 11, 2003 | Rebecca Dana and Peter Carlson

Posted on 07/11/2003 6:39:01 AM PDT by alloysteel

Edited on 07/11/2003 6:45:45 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

"The Jews, I find are very, very selfish," President Harry S. Truman wrote in a 1947 diary that was recently discovered on the shelves of the Truman Library in Independence, Mo., and released by the National Archives yesterday.

Written sporadically during a turbulent year of Truman's presidency, the diary contains about 5,500 words on topics ranging from the death of his mother to comic banter with a British aristocrat. But the most surprising comments were Truman's remarks on Jews, written on July 21, 1947, after the president had a conversation with Henry Morgenthau, the Jewish former treasury secretary. Morgenthau called to talk about a Jewish ship in Palestine -- possibly the Exodus, the legendary ship carrying 4,500 Jewish refugees who were refused entry into Palestine by the British, then rulers of that land.

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Old Harry would have been called "anti-Semitic" by today's standards. And yet, he was fondly remembered by almost the entire Jewish population of the US. Curious.
1 posted on 07/11/2003 6:39:02 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: alloysteel
I'm skeptical. I think this is a hoax.

I could be wrong, but my gut is telling me otherwise.
2 posted on 07/11/2003 6:40:25 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: alloysteel
diary
4 posted on 07/11/2003 6:46:16 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: mabelkitty
Remember, Truman was once a member of the Klan. I have no problem believing he could be anti-semitic, and I don't think the diary is a fake.
5 posted on 07/11/2003 6:47:20 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Enterprise
Shoot, we still had Jim Crow back then. Why is anti-semiticism so hard to believe?
6 posted on 07/11/2003 6:49:08 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Enterprise
Excuse me? Where is your evidence that Harry Truman was a member of the Klan?
7 posted on 07/11/2003 6:51:10 AM PDT by laconic
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To: laconic
I wish people like you would do some research before challenging others. You lazy or what?

Presidential Racism

Harry S Truman reportedly joined the Klan for a short time in 1922, also, his defenders contend, for political reasons. Truman reportedly sought Klan backing in his race for a judgeship in Jackson County, Missouri. In Hooded Americanism: The First Century of the Ku Klux Klan, 1865-1965, author David M. Chalmers writes: "Truman's own story was that when he was told to promise not to give any jobs to Catholics he angrily withdrew and got his money back." Another version cited by Chalmers "was that the future President did go through with his initiation although he was never an active member."

http://reformed-theology.org/jbs/html/bipartisan_bigotry.htm

8 posted on 07/11/2003 6:54:44 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Enterprise
Woodrow Wilson admired Birth of a Nation . . . called it "true."

FDR was pro-soviet; he actually planned Soviet domination of Europe. And wanted us to fight in WWII for that very purpose. No miracle at all that the government was loaded with commies; "liberals" were fellow-travelers then as now.

McCarthy was the one who pointed out that that was a problem. And, per Ann Coulter, saved our Constitution--or what remains of it . . .

9 posted on 07/11/2003 6:55:19 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: laconic
Harry Truman was also soft on communism - a typical RAT.
10 posted on 07/11/2003 6:56:07 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: SJackson
Ping
11 posted on 07/11/2003 6:56:48 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (~~~ http://www.ourgangnet.net ~~~~~)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Even as we communicate, I have in my possession "Treason" by the glorious warrior lady Ann Coulter. She points out that Truman merely continued the pro-communism of FDR. What a disgusting little man.
12 posted on 07/11/2003 6:58:10 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Enterprise
Then why his positive views on Israel? I'm confused. But then again, I make it a point to ignore Democrats in History. Shame on me.
13 posted on 07/11/2003 7:02:34 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: alloysteel
Newly discovered Truman diary reveals secret offer to Ike


The Kansas City Star

In a newly found 1947 diary, then-President Harry S. Truman records a dramatic offer to Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower.

He would step down to serve as Eisenhower's vice president on the Democratic ticket the following year if it appeared Gen. Douglas MacArthur was heading for the Republican presidential nomination.

Truman made the suggestion in a July White House meeting while serving out the term of the late Franklin D. Roosevelt and earning bad reviews from the public.

Eisenhower, who was wildly popular, would not run for president until 1952 -- and then as a Republican.

Historians have long believed Truman would have done almost anything to thwart MacArthur, but the new diary, revealed at a National Archives press conference in Washington on Thursday, appears to confirm it. According to the diary, the two men agreed to keep the conversation secret.

A research aide at the Truman Presidential Library and Museum in Independence discovered the diary earlier this year.

"This is probably the most important document the Truman Library has opened in 20 years," said Director Michael J. Devine.

Perhaps the most unsettling entry is dated July 21, 1947. Treasury Secretary Henry Morganthau, who was Jewish, had called Truman to talk about a Jewish ship in Palestine -- possibly the Exodus, which carried 4,500 Jewish refugees who were refused entry into Palestine by the British, who then ruled that land.

"He'd no business, whatever to call me," Truman wrote. "The Jews have no sense of proportion nor do they have any judgement on world affairs...The Jews, I find are very, very selfish...Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire. I've found very, very few who remember their past condition when prosperity comes."

On Thursday, several scholars expressed surprise. They noted that Truman is known for acting to help Jews in postwar Europe and for supporting recognition of Israel in 1948, when his State Department opposed it.

Sara Bloomfield, director of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, said: "Truman's sympathy for the plight of Jews was very apparent." But his comments were "typical of a sort of cultural anti-Semitism that was common at that time in all parts of American society," Bloomfield said.

John Lewis Gaddis, a professor of history at Yale University and a Cold War scholar, said: "Truman was often critical, sometimes hyper-critical, of Jews in his diary entries and in his correspondences, but this doesn't make him an anti-Semite. Anyone who played the role he did in creating the state of Israel can hardly be regarded in that way."

Several Truman scholars said the most historically important of the diary's 42 entries is the account of the July 25 session with Eisenhower. The general was about to leave as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to become president of Columbia University in New York City.

"I don't think there was much doubt that during the Potsdam Conference in 1945, Truman told Ike that he would do anything he could for him politically, including the presidency," said Truman biographer Robert Ferrell, "But this seems to be clear evidence that he was also thinking of Eisenhower in 1947."

Truman disliked MacArthur, who at the time was the commander of the Allied occupation in Japan. It would not be until four years later, during the Korean War, that he sacked the aging general. Truman later soured on Eisenhower, as well.

The candidate that Truman would face and beat in 1948 was New York Gov. Thomas Dewey.

The year 1947 saw the Truman Doctrine, which provided foreign aid to challenge Soviet expansion, and the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe after World War II. Richard Kirkendall of the University of Washington expressed disappointment that the diary mentioned neither.

History aside, the diary reveals a colorful, witty, introspective and irreverent president outspoken in his disdain for life in the White House.

On Jan. 6, he wrote that "the great white jail is a hell of place to be alone." He called the White House a "ghostly place" where his predecessors haunt the corridors and "the floors pop and crack all night long."

Clifton Truman Daniel said his grandfather must have been listening to "the whole second floor falling apart."

After former first lady Eleanor Roosevelt visited him on Jan. 3, 1947, to apologize for her sons' criticism of Truman in print, the then-president wrote, "It's a pity a great man has to have progeny! Look at Churchill's. Remember Lincoln's and Grant's... and Teddy Roosevelt's are terrible."

Truman also recorded entries about appearing on a balcony before a teeming crowd and imagining how Napoleon must have felt, and of weeping in the privacy of his study after the death of his mother.

"I can shed tears as I please -- no one's looking," he wrote.

The diary sat on a shelf in the Truman Library's stacks, untouched and unread for 38 years, since the day in 1965 when the former president's office staff transferred it, among other books and materials, to the library's collection.

While Truman was an inveterate diarist, he usually kept his accounts on loose sheets of papers and rarely used bound volumes.

So there was little reason for anyone at the library to suspect that the dark blue volume with the innocuous title, "1947 Diary and Manual of the Real Estate Board of New York, Inc." -- a Christmas gift in 1946 from Matthew G. Ely, the board's president -- was anything but what it appeared to be. The first 160 pages contained information about the board, a roster of its officers and members, and advertisements.

Earlier this year it was among books deemed insignificant and selected for storage at the Library of Congress.

As she always did, Liz Safly, who works in research at the library, flipped through the pages of the books to be shipped off to Washington. Safly, who has worked at the library for 41 years, knows Truman's penmanship as well as anyone. She discovered the pages of his legible, sturdy script in dark blue ink.

As National Archivist John Carlin said: "This finding is a clear reminder there is no final draft of history."

To reach David Goldstein call (202) 383-6105, or send email to dgoldstein@krwashington.com To reach Brian Burnes, call (816) 234-7804 or send email to bburnes@kcstar.com

Excerpts from the Truman diary



Some excerpts from President Truman's newfound 1947 diary: (Spellings are reproduced as they are in the diary.)

Jan. 6

"This great white jail is a hell of a place in which to be alone. While I work from early morning until late at night, it is a ghostly place. The floors pop and crack all night long. Anyone with imagination can see old Jim Buchanan walking up and down worrying about conditions not of his making. Then there's Van Buren who inherited a terrible mess from his predecessor as did poor old James Madison. Of course Andrew Johnson was the worst mistreated of any of them. But they all walk up and down the halls of this place and moan about what they should have done and didn't... the tortured souls who were and are misrepresented in history are the ones who come back. It's a hell of a place."

March 4 (on a trip to Mexico and a visit with that country's president)

"Never saw such crowds -- such enthusiasm...Shake hands with some two or three thousand. The President & I go out upon a balcony with a rug over the railing and wave to a sea of people -- thousands so they say. Have seen pictures of (emperors) Franz Joseph, Marcus Aurelius & Napoleon doing it. But it's my first time."

July 4 (after a reception at Monticello, Thomas Jefferson's home)

"Mrs. Astor -- Lady Astor came to the car just before we started from Monticello to say to me that she liked my policies as President but that she thought I had become rather too much "Yankee."

I couldn't help telling her that my purported "Yankee" tendencies were not half so bad as her ultra conservative British leanings. She almost had a stroke."

July 26

"At 1:30 Washington time recieved message my mother has passed on. Terrible shock. No one knew it. Arrived in Grandview about 3:30 CST went to the house and met sister & brother. Went to Belton with them and picked a casket. A terrible ordeal. Back to Grandview and then to Independence with Bess & Margie...Spent Sunday morning and afternoon at Grandview. Mamma had been placed in casket we had decided upon and returned to her cottage. I couldn't look at her dead. I wanted to remember (her) alive when she was at her best."

Sept. 21

"Have all sorts of things facing me."

Dec. 25

"Went over to Walter Reed (hospital) from Bethesda and went through the bed fast wards with Dr. Graham, my doctor & the CO of the hospital. Met forty or fifty patients most of whom were war wounded. They were happy and optimistic. Makes a person ashamed to be gloomy even if world affairs are mixed up. Went down to the WH garage to see the tree and then ate a tall dinner gained a pound and a half and the doctor says I should take it off!"

14 posted on 07/11/2003 7:03:23 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: Enterprise
But Harry warn't bad, for a failed shop keeper and office boy for Boss Pendergast, who ran Missouri as his personal fiefdom until his death. Huey Long of Louisiana was but just one example of the one-party control that existed throughout the South prior to the Dixiecrat rebellion in 1948.
15 posted on 07/11/2003 7:06:21 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: Enterprise
Much as I admire "Gentle Annie", I think she over-reached a bit on the last book - or relied on John Birch Society tracts too much.

Truman was NOT the greatest of presidents: he was racist and anti-semitic - just like his predecessors, and he made his share of mistakes; but he DID fight the Communists tooth and nail : enraging the Liberal Establishment.

By today's standards, he would be considered a "right-wing extremist" !
16 posted on 07/11/2003 7:09:15 AM PDT by genefromjersey (So little time - so many FLAMES to light !!)
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To: mabelkitty
she has less biological reason to be promiscuous.

Yes. It is the WP. We will have to wait till the NYT verifies it.

17 posted on 07/11/2003 7:10:58 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: mabelkitty
Harry S Truman's "postive views" on Israel was nothing but finding a convenient way to purge the US of Jews, by encouraging them all to emigrate to Israel. Not anti-Semitic as such, but shifting what Harry thought of as a problem to somebody else's real estate. Rather like shipping all Americans of African descent back to Africa.
18 posted on 07/11/2003 7:11:27 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: alloysteel
"Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire. I've found very, very few who remember their past condition when prosperity comes."

From the pen of one of the most famous underdogs in U.S. electoral history. Interesting.

19 posted on 07/11/2003 7:17:06 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: laconic
I don't see any evidence he was an 'anti-Semite' either. He simply noted his observations. The fact that 6,000,000 Jews were killed by Hitler does not automatically imply that all survivors or even most survivors were extremely nice people.
20 posted on 07/11/2003 7:31:51 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: Enterprise
I wasn't aware that Harry Truman had been a KKK member?Did he and Bobby Byrd stay up nights cutting holes in bedsheets??
21 posted on 07/11/2003 7:33:17 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: mabelkitty
Hell, how can I explain why he had positive views on Israel but then had anti-semitic writings. Typical politican, playing both sides of the issue.
22 posted on 07/11/2003 7:33:27 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: bandleader
They might have cut sheets together. Probably they sang together the Klan's version of "The Old Rugged Cross" as "The Old Burning Cross."
23 posted on 07/11/2003 7:35:23 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: alloysteel
What Truman wrote does not constitute anti-semitism.

The suggestion that Truman was a Klan member is modified by the word "reportedly" suggesting that further proof is required.

The writing in this diary does seem posed and theatrical but I would think it was verified by the library staff.
24 posted on 07/11/2003 7:35:30 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: alloysteel
I find it very peculiar how The DemonRats can control 90% of the black vote when it was DemonRats(Whigs)that were the slave-owners!Also,how the Jewish vote typically goes to The DemonRats!!What are these people thinking of?Is this demonstrated lack of education among these groups all part of a sinister DemonRat plan to keep people stupid while looking after some of their biggest donors(teacher's unuions)???I'm not into "conspiracy theories",but this looks pretty solid to me!!!!!!!
25 posted on 07/11/2003 7:41:47 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: genefromjersey
Well, Gentle Annie had about 46 pages of references in her book. She includes The Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, The Boston Globe, The Washington Post, the Washington Times, CNN Inside Politics, The New Yorker, and The Natiinal Review as some of her references. I didn't see any John Birch Society tracts as references.

Well, as for fighting Communism, he stood by while numerous nations of Eastern Europe were swallowed up by Russia. He lost China. He fought Korea to a rousing stalemate. He fired McArthur and replaced Patton. Truman fought Communism like a girl. In fact, he was a little bitch.

At the time Communism was greatly expanding, the Republicans were outraged. The RATS and their lap dogs in the media were just fine with it. I would hardly call Truman a right wing extremist during the time of his Presidency.

26 posted on 07/11/2003 7:45:44 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Enterprise
Coulter is absolutely wrong about Truman. I have her book also, given to me as a gift. I put it down after reading some of the garbage in there.
27 posted on 07/11/2003 7:48:54 AM PDT by Norse
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To: alloysteel
Once a "Rat",always a "Rat"!Imagine that,Truman coming to the aid of that slavery fan,Buchanan,and then Andrew Johnson!!Johnson was the only(un-elected)POTUS to be impeached as opposed to BeelzeBubba who was(thanks to a lot of stupid,misguided people as well as "that little hand-grenade with a bad haircut"),elected!!!
28 posted on 07/11/2003 7:49:54 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Enterprise
You are being kind. I think Ike finished Korea 6 months into his term.
29 posted on 07/11/2003 7:50:47 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Enterprise
Truman did what he had to to in order to CONTAIN communism and prevent it from spreading too far. Halting communism altogether at that point had NOTHING to do with American security interests. It's like saying that the U.S. should invade Africa and start it all over.

The only point where he SHOULD have destroyed communism altogether was directly after World War II, when the U.S. military could have gone straight to Moscow.

Otherwise, he knew full well that communism would collapse on his own.
30 posted on 07/11/2003 7:52:11 AM PDT by Norse
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To: Fiddlstix
Thanks for the ping. Sounds like Henry Morgenthau really *issed old Harry off. In that context, given the times he grew up in, the remarks in a personal diary don't mean much.
31 posted on 07/11/2003 7:53:38 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: alloysteel
Here e go again, the Postmodernist' ploy of judging the past by the standards of the present:

Wait a minute hear, what the Liberals Demi-god, FDR and his comments re Jews circa WWII?

32 posted on 07/11/2003 7:53:46 AM PDT by Helms (If California is the Future, I will live in the Past)
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To: Helms
Here we go again, the Postmodernist's ploy of judging the past by the standards of the present:

Wait a minute here, what about the Liberals Demi-god, FDR and his comments re Jews circa WWII?

33 posted on 07/11/2003 7:56:24 AM PDT by Helms (If California is the Future, I will live in the Past)
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To: Enterprise
As others may have noted, there is no final draft on history. As we communicate among ourselves, there is a small but continuous effort to discredit Abraham Lincoln for his place in history (note of disclaimer - the "al" in "alloysteel" expands to Abraham Lincoln), by reading through his formal records and notes, expanding meanings that may or may not have been there. The record is somewhat more concrete in the case of Harry S Truman. This diary of Harry's is NOT a forgery, it is his inner thoughts. As expressed and recorded by Harry himself.
34 posted on 07/11/2003 7:58:37 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: alloysteel
The full quote, later in the article is:
"The Jews, I find, are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog. Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire. I've found very, very few who remember their past condition when prosperity comes."
Basicly, he's acting surprised that people would be more interested in the welfare of their own "group" than in people who are not part of their "group"
35 posted on 07/11/2003 7:58:54 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer looking for next gig)
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To: SauronOfMordor
Hate the WP, all this sniping. It’s probably worth putting your excerpt in context, Truman’s apparent anger at Henry Morgenthau over the fate of 4,500 Jewish refugees at sea, probably the Exodus. Your quote’s preceded by

”He'd no business, whatever to call me. The Jews have no sense of proportion nor do they have any judgement [sic] on world affairs. Henry brought a thousand Jews to New York on a supposedly temporary basis and they stayed."

Put an underdog on top…very few who remember their past condition when prosperity comes is a bit humorous in the context of 4,500 homeless refugees bobbing about the ocean.

36 posted on 07/11/2003 8:05:12 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: thegreatbeast
Well, here's another source then.

During certain periods of the 20th century--in the 1920s and again in the 1950s--the KKK's active membership swelled to massive proportions, not just in the South but in rural areas of the North as well. In the 1920s Klan members held posts in the highest levels of the government--including two former presidents who were Klan members. In 1921 Warren G Harding was initiated as a Klan member at the White House, and Harry Truman paid dues as a Klan member in the 1920s, years before he was elected president.

http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/sr176/smith.htm

37 posted on 07/11/2003 8:08:24 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Norse
"Truman did what he had to to in order to CONTAIN communism and prevent it from spreading too far."

What a great sense of humor you have!

38 posted on 07/11/2003 8:11:25 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Norse
Well, if Ann is wrong about Truman, then so are the many liberal sources she used in writing the book.
39 posted on 07/11/2003 8:13:03 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: alloysteel
Great post! In other words, Harry Truman in his OWN WORDS!
40 posted on 07/11/2003 8:14:07 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: alloysteel
Here's more of Hilarious Harry Truman's own words:

(On New York) "K*ketown." -- Harry Truman in a personal letter "I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's not a n*gger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust, a nigger from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America." Harry Truman (1911) in a letter to his future wife Bess

http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/leftwingracists.php

41 posted on 07/11/2003 8:23:26 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Enterprise
As a once, present and future Southerner, I have to say that anyone seeking office prior to 1960 would at least have to avoid the hostility of the Klan. I some cases you would need their support. In others, you would just have to keep your mouth shut.
42 posted on 07/11/2003 8:30:18 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Enterprise
Timeless. Truman even admits he is a bigot.

Whereas T Roosevelt admired the Japs a decade earlier and reached out to blacks (Douglass).
43 posted on 07/11/2003 8:32:30 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Norse
To put it bluntly, you sound so stupid. Pick up Coulter's book and start it again. Check the references. I read both her book and Halbestroms Truman. Most of what Coulter states about Truman can be found in the laters bio. Coulter has a chapter in her book about people like you, that Truman knew the Soviets would collapse. Take a look at the countries the Soviets swallowed while the Dems were on watch. Concerning your second paragraph, that is also stupid. Why? Because the State Department at the end of WW II were overrun with Soviet spies - re Venona Transcripts - and advised against it. FDR and Truman handed eastern Europe to Stalin on a platter and Truman even called Stalin a good guy. Crack a book open and learn some history!
44 posted on 07/11/2003 8:46:24 AM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a 100 pounds.)
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To: Enterprise
Were you around then,or are you just parroting what some party hack has said ?

Let's go to the videotape !

When WWII ended, the US had NO remaining atomic bombs. Its military forces had largely been de-mobilized, and the Russians were in position to help themselves to as much of Europe as they wanted.Truman was regarded as a rank usurper,trying to fill the shoes of FDR; and he was daily confronted with the problems of a left-leaning State Department.

The Media did not dislike him: they despised him because he was a party hack from the "backward" state of Missouri.The kindest things they called him were "ward heeler", and "Harry the Haberdasher".

The United States people were sick of war, wanted their sons and daughters home, and would have lynched anyone who suggested otherwise. As a result, there was only a skeleton crew of American troops in Korea: most Pacific theater troops being diverted to the spit and polish worship of General Mac Arthur in Tokyo.

In Europe, brave pilots, working around the clock, kept Berlin alive by airlifting essential supplies-food, coal,etc. - by direction of Truman. Truman also instituted the Marshall Plan, re-building Europe - to the consternation of the Russians and a solidly Republican Congress.

When war broke out in Korea, Truman made an understandable mistake : he appointed "Emperor Mac Arthur" to defend Korea-to the great joy of Mac Arthur's many admirers.

MacArthur should have been court martialled for gross dereliction of duty for his conduct of the Korean war.
He may have been a great hero during WWII, but he let his ego get in the way, and refused to give credence to solid intelligence of Chinese presence in Korea: splitting his forces-which were not given proper winter gear-to reach the Yalu River , in hopes of attaining an early victory he could turn into a Republican presidential nomination.Even after he was shown Chinese prisoners, he snarled abuse at his officers for "letting a few Chinese laundrymen stand in the way".

( If you want some first hand opinions on Mac Arthur, talk to a few of the Korean vets ! )

The firing of Mac Arthur -long, LONG overdue IMHO - was treated in the Media as if it were the death knell of the Republic...but it turned out not to be. Other generals picked up the gauntlet, and came pretty close to winning a victory; but, by then, the American public had had a bellyfull of war, and an outstanding Republican-Dwight D. Eisenhower went to Korea " to bring our boys home ".

Was Truman a great man ? Hell, no ! Did he do a pretty good job in spite of his limitations ? Yep. Did he hate the Communists and their "Liberal" fellow-travelers with a passion ? Again, yes; and no amount of revisionism will change that in my memory.
45 posted on 07/11/2003 9:06:42 AM PDT by genefromjersey (So little time - so many FLAMES to light !!)
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To: Norse
An examination of the destruction of the Japanese Army in Manchuria by the Russians in 1945 doesn't make it seem that the US could have gone straight to Moscow. The Germans lost about 2,000,000 military dead against the Soviets when the Soviets were unprepared. It's not at all clear that the US could have done better when Russia was on a war-footing.
46 posted on 07/11/2003 9:26:09 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Enterprise
HST was NOT soft on communism; he was the best Democratic president of the 20th Century. He took on Stalin and the gang in Korea, passed the Marshall Plan and never trusted the mass murdering devils. (FDR did and WAS soft On Stalin and his US fellow travelers). And he never lost a wink of sleep over dropping the A-bomb on the-then fascist government of the Japanese; who never would have surrendered had it not been done.
47 posted on 07/11/2003 9:40:51 AM PDT by laconic
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Another FACT about HST: he VOLUNTEERED for service and fought hard commanding a company in WW1 despite having bad eyes and a family at home. Contrast that to clinton and others.
48 posted on 07/11/2003 9:46:12 AM PDT by laconic
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To: genefromjersey
"Were you around then"

I wasn't around during the Civil War but I believe the North won it. I dunno, maybe it is just some hack who told me the North won.

MI>"When war broke out in Korea, Truman made an understandable mistake : he appointed "Emperor Mac Arthur" to defend Korea-to the great joy of Mac Arthur's many admirers."

Then the stupid ass made a bigger mistake by firing McArthur instead of letting him win the war outright. Truman should have been impeached.

"Did he do a pretty good job in spite of his limitations

HELL NO

"Did he hate the Communists and their "Liberal" fellow-travelers with a passion ? Again, yes; and no amount of revisionism will change that in my memory."

Well, since you so passionately try to revise history, here is Truman in his own words to Henry Wallace in 1946 (From the book "Treason") - "Stalin was a fine man who wanted to do the right thing." Further, according to Coulter, he later wrote in his diary that the Russians "have always been our friends and I can't see any reason why they shouldn't be."

Truman liked to refer to Stalin as "Uncle Joe" BTW. Your revisionist view of Truman the Commie loving RAT is sick.

49 posted on 07/11/2003 10:17:07 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: laconic
There have been no best Democratic Presidents in the 20th Century. They all presided over stunning foreign policy disasters. Our Democratic President were a fraternity of morons.
50 posted on 07/11/2003 10:19:22 AM PDT by Enterprise
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