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Selling Homosexuality to America
CBN ^ | 7/11/03 | Craig von Buseck

Posted on 07/11/2003 2:12:34 PM PDT by apackof2

Selling Homosexuality to America

By Craig von Buseck
CBN.com Producer

In this exclusive interview, Paul Rondeau talks about his in-depth study, Selling Homosexuality to America, which was recently published in the Regent Law Review.

CBN.com – In his recent study, Selling Homosexuality to America, marketing expert Paul Rondeau explains, "Among America's culture wars, one of today's most intense controversies rages around the issue alternatively identified, depending on one's point of view, as "normalizing homosexuality" or "accepting gayness." The debate is truly a social-ethical-moral conceptual war that transcends both the scientific and legal, though science and law most often are the weapons of choice. The ammunition for these weapons, however, is persuasion."

This article and interview explores how gay rights activists use rhetoric, psychology, and the media to frame what is discussed in the public arena -- and how it is discussed. "In essence," Rondeau points out, "when it comes to homosexuality, activists want to shape 'what everyone knows' and 'what everyone takes for granted' even if everyone does not really know and even if it should not be taken for granted."

"The first strategy of persuasion," he goes on to say, "is to establish a favorable climate for your message so that the communicator (marketer) can influence the future decision without even appearing to be persuading ... This is at the heart of the homosexual campaign: to get consent via social construct today to determine whose idea of personal freedoms will prevail in our legal codes tomorrow."

Paul Rondeau has been a senior sales and marketing management professional with industry leaders for over 25 years. He holds an M.A. in Management, with a specialty in persuasive communication. Currently, he is a doctoral student in communication studies with a focus in rhetoric and persuasion.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
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To: sweetliberty
Well, I have to say that reading that brings me joy and hope. WHat would bring me more joy is if she gave a testimony to the gay community, to let them know there is a way out.

I hope I didn't come off as a wierdo to you, I don't like homosexuality any more than you do. =) But I also don't always like to pray for my enemies, either.

101 posted on 07/13/2003 5:56:26 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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To: PurVirgo
Actually, she moved away. I don't know if she ever became a priest or deacon, but based on our discussions and her reading material, I think it's a safe bet to assume that she she chose to minister to homosexuals. It was where her burden lay. And one thing I do know, no one can reach out to another in any sin or pain like one who has been in the same place.
102 posted on 07/13/2003 6:01:31 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
I beleive we have just found our commonality!!
103 posted on 07/13/2003 6:04:12 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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To: sweetliberty
youve got mail
104 posted on 07/13/2003 6:06:52 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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To: apackof2
"Is There a 'Gay Gene'?"

I can't imagine Richard Simmons' genetically EVER had a chance at muscling up at Golds Gym, and playing stud-muffin to the ladies...

Just my two cents.

105 posted on 07/13/2003 6:06:52 PM PDT by F16Fighter (Ann Coulter for Attorney General... Joe Scarborough for VP...Tom Tancredo as Homeland Security Chief)
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To: sweetliberty
oh, and Re- "bug chasers", I'm finding it very hard to practice non-judgement
106 posted on 07/13/2003 6:08:48 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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To: F16Fighter
"I can't imagine Richard Simmons' genetically EVER had a chance at muscling up at Golds Gym, and playing stud-muffin to the ladies..."

LOL! Well, maybe if he'd lay off the estrogen injections....

107 posted on 07/13/2003 6:09:25 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
"What I am trying to say is that when and if homosexuality is genetically identified, the behavior will be bred out of the human species."

Take genetics out of the equation, and the "behavior" of homosexuality will still be around.

Today, gay is not only no longer considered taboo, it in fact has gained social acceptance as merely just another "sexually experiental option" -- thanks to American Psychiatric Association, the state-sanctioned sex-ed and moral relativism agendae promoted so heavily by the gay-infested National Education Association, and of course the Howard Sterns of the "entertainment" world.

108 posted on 07/13/2003 6:27:36 PM PDT by F16Fighter (Ann Coulter for Attorney General... Joe Scarborough for VP...Tom Tancredo as Homeland Security Chief)
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To: apackof2
Homosexuality is deviant sexual behavior and a mental illness.

Homosexuals: 1) subject their body parts to uses nature did not intend, such activities often presenting immediate risk to the participants; 2) are prone to greater suicide, depression and other mental disorders and deficiencies than the heterosexual population at large; 3) are prone to far greater sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS, than the (normal) heterosexual population; 4) molest young people (pedophilia) at a far greater rate than heterosexuals; 5) engage in degrading sexual promiscuity, oftentimes engaging in risky sex with many partners during the same event; 6) are engaged in aggressive and widespread efforts to indoctrinate our children by introducing the homosexual lifestyle using public schools as the primary indoctrination “vehicle” and likewise, through the movie/music/TV industry, with the dual goals of gaining school-age acceptance of homosexuality and encouraging sexual activity among children, especially same-sex experimentation; 7) view most everything through a mindset heavily biased in favor of the homosexual lifestyle and culture, which renders them mostly useless when asked to opine on matters that normal heterosexuals better resolve.

The mental deficiencies described herein applying to homosexuals shall not be confused with the deficiencies associated with the left wing democrat/socialist/marxist/ feminist/environmentalist minds, etc., which have their own distinct set of mental disorders.

This doesn't even touch on what the Bible has to say about homosexuality.

109 posted on 07/13/2003 6:33:06 PM PDT by Imagine
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To: PurVirgo
I never said that. Sure we recognize other peoples faults, but I don't think He wants us to judge them for it.

Sure he does. (Luke 17 1-4) Where did you get that from? You should be careful when you speak to others about Christ. Don't confuse his words to fit an agenda. This is dangerous. Mark 14:21

See, when I'm judging you, I'm obviously not looking at my own faults. However, when I see a shortcoming in another person, then I must examine myself so that I don't have to be that way. People can be axamples, either positive or negative. Just as I learn from people how to act, I also learn from others how not to act. *LOL* My endeavor is to be a positive one, though.

So what are you doing? Making up your own morality as you go? All the while trying not to offend anyone. This is not how Christ wanted us to live. Did he not say. "Do you think that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division." Luke 12:51

110 posted on 07/13/2003 6:35:35 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: sweetliberty
Well, maybe if he'd lay off the estrogen injections....

That raises an interesting issue. There may not be a "gay gene," but you can certainly tell a homosexual when you see one. Not because of how he dresses or what he says. But there is a certain sameness in their mannerisms. The wrist. The lisp. It's considered a stereotype, I guess, but it's true.

When we were young, we could all easily identify the gay kids. They didn't like sports, they were kinda prissy. We even had a name for them. We called them "sissies."

And these kids were in every city, town, village and hamlet in America.

So if there's no gay gene, then what is it that made so many kids have this in common.

111 posted on 07/13/2003 6:40:04 PM PDT by ItsJeff
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To: ItsJeff
So if there's no gay gene, then what is it that made so many kids have this in common.

Good post. I am a scientist myself. Although I am not a clinical researcher, I too believe that there is a definite imbalance somewhere. Liberals and the APA are stifling research IMHO with their apologetics.

These people need help and they are probably not getting the help they need when we normalize this perversion.

112 posted on 07/13/2003 6:47:26 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: ItsJeff
Not all sissy boys grow up to prefer sex with men and not all tomboy girls grow up to be lesbians. Boys and girls all have both male and female hormones the balance of which varies from person to person and can account for boys and men seeming more effeminate when in fact they aren't. Same with girls. On the other hand, you're right about homosexuals being easy to spot, but if you really notice, it isn't always because they fit the stereotype, although they often do. It is kinda hard to describe actually, but I can usually spot them a mile away. It seems to me more like a certain "quality" that emanates from them rather than any specific behavior.
113 posted on 07/13/2003 6:48:10 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: only1percent
Unnatural means atypical, artificial...

Homosexuals are atypical.

Artificial is anything outside of the biological human reproductive process in regard to reproductive anatomy.

Perversion.

114 posted on 07/13/2003 6:50:01 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: ItsJeff
That raises an interesting issue. There may not be a "gay gene," but you can certainly tell a homosexual when you see one. Not because of how he dresses or what he says. But there is a certain sameness in their mannerisms. The wrist. The lisp. It's considered a stereotype, I guess, but it's true.

With all due respect this is nonsense.
Anybody who's been around knows that men often exhibit these mannerisms yet are totally hetero in their sexual attractions.

And many men who are totally gay, who aren't the least bit attracted to women, exhibit none of these feminine mannerisms you mention.

115 posted on 07/13/2003 6:51:23 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Anybody who's been around....

and so it begins.

116 posted on 07/13/2003 6:53:08 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: sweetliberty
Please know what you're talking about so you don't perpetuate myth and ignorance.

The Rolling Stone story that's referenced in the link you posted was debunked before it even hit the newsstands. The writer admitted that the character he profiled was mostly a fictionalization of mere anecdotes he'd heard second hand, and the doctor who was cited as the basis of the "25% of new infections from bug chasing" completely denied he said anything of the sort.

All this is well known by now, but apparently for those who want to slander and promote bigotry, the truth is no obstacle to spreading bellicose rhetoric.

117 posted on 07/13/2003 6:53:34 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: apackof2
Repeat after me: "gene for homosexuality" is part of the homosexuality agenda with NO BASIS IN FACT

Look, I don't have any mutt in this race and won't engage in a flame war but I remember some research from a couple of years ago that showed lesbians had a fairly consistent difference in phenotype: Something about the length of their middle finger! (compared to heterosexual women) [This is not a joke!]. Not sure if this is known to correspond to a difference in genotype but you would assume it does.

Definition of Phenotype from:

http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/bc/ahp/BioInfo/GP/Definition.html

This is the "outward, physical manifestation" of the organism. These are the physical parts, the sum of the atoms, molecules, macromolecules, cells, structures, metabolism, energy utilization, tissues, organs, reflexes and behaviors; anything that is part of the observable structure, function or behavior of a living organism.

118 posted on 07/13/2003 6:53:48 PM PDT by steve86
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To: tdadams
The article states that he changed the 25% but still said the rate is higher than people think. Show any other proof that the story has been debunked or that the websites mentioned in the Rolling Stone don't exist and promote "bug chasing".
119 posted on 07/13/2003 6:57:41 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: tdadams
Most idiots respond to reason by changing the subject.
120 posted on 07/13/2003 6:58:34 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: sweetliberty
On the other hand, you're right about homosexuals being easy to spot, but if you really notice, it isn't always because they fit the stereotype, although they often do. It is kinda hard to describe actually, but I can usually spot them a mile away. It seems to me more like a certain "quality" that emanates from them rather than any specific behavior.

I don't mean this to sound like an accusation...but I have heard that only gays are good at spotting other gays in the general population.

I know sometimes I can spot them, but many times I can't.
I've been totally surprised many times to find out a person is really gay.
For example one time I caught a guy peeking into the stalls in our company men's room....a guy who was married and his wife just had a baby. I was shocked.

121 posted on 07/13/2003 7:00:31 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Well, I am definitely NOT a lesbian. I like men. And I wouldn't go so far as to say that I ALWAYS spot them, but I often do. That's not to say that I haven't had an occasional surprise or occasionally wondered about certain people.
122 posted on 07/13/2003 7:04:55 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
See post #120 for my less than polite "Socratic" response.
123 posted on 07/13/2003 7:05:08 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: sweetliberty
If we know the 25% figure was a fabrication, doesn't it lead you to suspect the rest of the story? I've read plenty about the lack of veracity in the story. It was fairly widespread right after the story came out, naturally.

Unfortunately, as I didn't anticipate having this discussion with you, I've not made photocopies or saved bookmarks about those stories. However, as you're the one who's posting statistics and stories that have been publicly refuted, it would be incumbent upon you (and your credibility) to look into it and make sure you know the whole story.

124 posted on 07/13/2003 7:07:15 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: Old Professer
Most people who know they don't have a reasoned argument resort to calling people names, like idiot.
125 posted on 07/13/2003 7:08:17 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: I got the rope
For example...if I were a sodomite...why would I condemn other sodomites when I too was involved in the same behavior.

Same goes for adulters. God prescribes the death penalty for both homosexuality and adultery in the Old Testament.

Unfortunately we have far too many self righteous religious hypocrites who openly condemn homosexuals on these boards, yet never seem to rate the level of heterosexual immorality as just as deserving of condemnation.

126 posted on 07/13/2003 7:09:15 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I just realized that my last comment may have been presumptuous; surely you must know that I did not refer to you.
127 posted on 07/13/2003 7:10:31 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: I got the rope
Luke 17 1-4 says to rebuke (reprimand, reprove) your neighbors sins. Not judge.

Mark 14-21 warns of betraying Jesus. I'm not aware that I have done so on this thread. But this can go both ways. Peter denied knowing Christ, but yet others can preach false Gospel and still betray.

I don't make up morality. We all know the difference between right and wrong. But God gave us free will, didn't he? Sometimes, in the heat of an emotion, I don't always make the right decision. I beleive God wants me to learn from my mistakes, and help others with my experience.

I certainly don't want to offend anyone, but it happens. If I have offended you, I apologise

128 posted on 07/13/2003 7:11:37 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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To: Old Professer
...therefore the counterargument has no merit apriori.

Very observant...look at post #115.

129 posted on 07/13/2003 7:11:45 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: PurVirgo
But I still feel that homosexuality is not a choice.

If homosexuality did not involve some degree of choice then God would not be justified in condemning it and holding people responsible for it.

But we all know God is perfectly just. Therefore homosexual conduct must be a choice.

130 posted on 07/13/2003 7:15:15 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Old Professer
... surely you must know that I did not refer to you.

Yes, I know. Good response and very true. Less than Socratic, but very Aristotelian...

131 posted on 07/13/2003 7:16:40 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: tdadams
You still don't get it, do you?

For all I know, you may well be an idiot; I have no way to tell.

The point I am now belaboring is that one cannot start an argument with a preemptive phrase and expect to win simply because they have obviated a response.

For what it's worth, I advocate nothing, I do debate points of logic, reason and science to the extent of my knowledge as long as it entertains me.

I have actually seen water run uphill -- but there was an earthquake in progress.

I have more hope to repeat that phenomenon than to penetrate your consciousness.

132 posted on 07/13/2003 7:18:59 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
LOL; my mother told me that my first word was "Why?"
133 posted on 07/13/2003 7:21:51 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Jorge
My friend...this is why Jesus came to the world. Man was too weak to be saved by the law.

Methinks the "self-rightous" on this forum are simply trying to point out the error and sin of a perverted behavior. If you haven't heard it yet...I'll be the first to tell you that adultery is wrong. It is harmful to the family unit.

134 posted on 07/13/2003 7:23:57 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: I got the rope
So what are you doing? Making up your own morality as you go? All the while trying not to offend anyone. This is not how Christ wanted us to live. Did he not say. "Do you think that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division." Luke 12:51

So how do interpret this verse? To tell us we should be causing divisions among our fellow man?

Jesus also said "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be call the children of God".
The scriptures need to be interpreted in context and balanced against each other.

135 posted on 07/13/2003 7:24:30 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
So how do interpret this verse? To tell us we should be causing divisions among our fellow man?

No. He is telling us if we follow HIS way, then we will be chastised, beaten, killed, and ostracized. If you follow him then people would single you out, call you names (self-rightous), and call you a kook.

If you follow HIS way, your life will not be easy. It will be very difficult, but your reward will be in heaven. So rejoice.

136 posted on 07/13/2003 7:30:39 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Imagine
Homosexuality is deviant sexual behavior and a mental illness.

It is also a cult of perversion, a religion with idols, dogma, fanatic adherents preaching the praises and converting others in ritual baptisms. (See my FR homeage, click on my name...)

137 posted on 07/13/2003 7:31:08 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Jorge
thank you - I was looking for those words but I just couldn't find them. In all honesty I was confused that he referred me to that verse
138 posted on 07/13/2003 7:32:30 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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To: sweetliberty
"Well, maybe if he'd [Richard Simmons] lay off the estrogen injections...."

Simmons' next estrogen injection evolves him into a headless giant vagina.

139 posted on 07/13/2003 7:35:07 PM PDT by F16Fighter (Ann Coulter for Attorney General... Joe Scarborough for VP...Tom Tancredo as Homeland Security Chief)
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To: PurVirgo
As for me and my house, we serve the Lord. I stay as far away from New Agism and astrology and Oprah-type beliefs and counterfeit Christianity and sorcery and the like as is humanly possible.

As to the statement that homosexuality is a choice, see Jorge's post #130. I couldn't agree more.

Have you ever read the Bible cover to cover? If not, may I suggest it and recommend the Life Application Study Bible, NIV. You seem like a bright and thoughtful person, so you'll have no trouble at all. Ask God to help you understand. I read the commentary cover to cover (having already had a good background on most of the historical record in the Bible), then the entire Bible, including commentary, cover to cover. A life changing eye-opener!

May God richly bless you, FRiend, as you seek Him.
140 posted on 07/13/2003 7:36:25 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: I got the rope
Methinks the "self-rightous" on this forum are simply trying to point out the error and sin of a perverted behavior.

In some cases maybe, but not always.

There are also examples of the "self-rightous" who seem to think God's Word is there to support up their personal prejudices and hatred of their fellow man.

If you haven't heard it yet...I'll be the first to tell you that adultery is wrong. It is harmful to the family unit.

I'm glad to hear that and I agree.

Now try getting a thread going about the evil adultery and heterosexual fornication is causing our society...and see how many responses you get.
The fact is most of those ranting against homosexuals here who claim to have genuine religious convictions are really hypocrites.

141 posted on 07/13/2003 7:39:21 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge; PurVirgo; sweetliberty
>>"Unfortunately we have far too many self righteous religious hypocrites who openly condemn homosexuals on these boards, yet never seem to rate the level of heterosexual immorality as just as deserving of condemnation."<<

Although I don't think I'm a "self-righteous religious hypocrite," allow me....

ADULTERY AND FORNICATION ARE SINS AGAINST A HOLY GOD AND HAVE BROUGHT DOWN MANY GREAT NATIONS AND WILL BRING DOWN THIS GREAT NATION UNLESS WE STAND AGAINST THEM.

Feel better?
142 posted on 07/13/2003 7:42:57 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: viaveritasvita
I have tried to read the Bible, but I have a hard time getting through it. It is no mystery that theologians and philosophers alike disagree amongst and amid themselves about the interpretation. I have a NIV student's version (plain english) that is easier to follow. *sheepish grin* I honestly have no excuse but laziness.

Thank you, and may you also share in His blessings.

As for astrology, it's more entertainment than anything else. Who, occaisionally, doesn't like hearing about themselves?

143 posted on 07/13/2003 7:45:04 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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To: PurVirgo
In order to rebuke or reprove someone, then you must use your moral judgement. The founding fathers of this country set-up our legal system this way. The knew that we all could not be lawyers or know all the laws. They were relying on our sense of Christian judgement. They were brilliant and biblical.

God gave us free will, but do we all know right from wrong. Apparantly not. If we all did then Christ would not have had to die for our sins. I am not offended by what you said. Don't worry. I'm not hitting the abuse button.LOL.

I believe and God believes that homosexual behavior runs counter to his plan. He wanted us to be fruitful and muliply. He wanted us to love him freely. Homosexual life is no life at all.

144 posted on 07/13/2003 7:47:11 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: PurVirgo
You're welcome.
145 posted on 07/13/2003 7:48:08 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: I got the rope
In your opinion, am I counter to God's plan because I am not married, have no children, and not actively seeking either?

I'm not being facetious, I'm truly curious

146 posted on 07/13/2003 7:49:33 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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To: viaveritasvita
Although I don't think I'm a "self-righteous religious hypocrite," allow me....

ADULTERY AND FORNICATION ARE SINS AGAINST A HOLY GOD AND HAVE BROUGHT DOWN MANY GREAT NATIONS AND WILL BRING DOWN THIS GREAT NATION UNLESS WE STAND AGAINST THEM.

Feel better?

LOL. Yes :)

147 posted on 07/13/2003 7:50:21 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: PurVirgo
see post 136
148 posted on 07/13/2003 7:53:50 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Jorge; sweetliberty
>>"Now try getting a thread going about the evil adultery and heterosexual fornication is causing our society...and see how many responses you get."<<

I'm tempted to say something like: "You're not from around here are you." LOL! Maybe you forgot the clinton years???

Ping me when you start a thread about the evils of heterosexual immorality. Adultery, fornication, and sodomy are all sexual immorality and are all contributing to the decline of our nation.
149 posted on 07/13/2003 7:54:12 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: I got the rope
Then you understand where I stand. Judgement for matters of the flesh are the court's responisbility, not mine. Judgement for matters of the spirit goes to God, not me.
150 posted on 07/13/2003 7:55:15 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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