Posted on 07/11/2003 2:12:34 PM PDT by apackof2
Selling Homosexuality to America
By Craig von Buseck
CBN.com Producer
In this exclusive interview, Paul Rondeau talks about his in-depth study, Selling Homosexuality to America, which was recently published in the Regent Law Review.
CBN.com – In his recent study, Selling Homosexuality to America, marketing expert Paul Rondeau explains, "Among America's culture wars, one of today's most intense controversies rages around the issue alternatively identified, depending on one's point of view, as "normalizing homosexuality" or "accepting gayness." The debate is truly a social-ethical-moral conceptual war that transcends both the scientific and legal, though science and law most often are the weapons of choice. The ammunition for these weapons, however, is persuasion."
This article and interview explores how gay rights activists use rhetoric, psychology, and the media to frame what is discussed in the public arena -- and how it is discussed. "In essence," Rondeau points out, "when it comes to homosexuality, activists want to shape 'what everyone knows' and 'what everyone takes for granted' even if everyone does not really know and even if it should not be taken for granted."
"The first strategy of persuasion," he goes on to say, "is to establish a favorable climate for your message so that the communicator (marketer) can influence the future decision without even appearing to be persuading ... This is at the heart of the homosexual campaign: to get consent via social construct today to determine whose idea of personal freedoms will prevail in our legal codes tomorrow."
Paul Rondeau has been a senior sales and marketing management professional with industry leaders for over 25 years. He holds an M.A. in Management, with a specialty in persuasive communication. Currently, he is a doctoral student in communication studies with a focus in rhetoric and persuasion.
Are you doing this on purpose or what?
Ever since I made the statement about some "self righteous" freepers who rant about homosexuality...you've managed to fit comments about this into your responses.
Above you seem to be describing yourself as the follower of Christ and me as the persecuter who "called you a name... self righteous".
You can't be serious.
Bug Chasers and the Thought Police (This particular one debunks the debunkers.)
Barebacking and bug chasers: expressions of an HIV subculture
Knowing right from wrong and choosing right over wrong are two different things. Because we are all born into sin, we know good and evil. But knowing is not enough. Jesus shed His blood not only to redeem our sin nature but to give us strength in our weakness to choose good over evil.
I wasn't on FreeRepublic during the Clinton years. Guess I missed some real good threads!
I've lurked other threads long enough to know that this is your M.O.
Me in "attack mode"? I can't believe you would say such a mean thing. I'm really hurt. (You must be thinking about somebody else )
Anyway..even if I was, you're the one who posted the verse that Jesus said we are not supposed to bring "peace" but should "divide".
So that means you are persecuting me for being a follower of Christ. Repent!
Fine. I'll concede. I apologize.
You don't sound very sorry to me. I think maybe you need to do penance. :)
Are you not a member of society? Are you not a citizen? Your vote could alter what some appointed black robe judge says about our culture. (i.e...sodomy) These "Ministers of Justice" were originally supposed to be of the greatest moral standing. The courts are now a joke, because they invent their own morality or laws out of thin air.
I think that the problem, our people don't know the course this perversion takes and how it manifests itself.
Thus we don't view it as a perversion of natural desires combined with rebellion, we view it as "natural". And nothing could be further from the truth.
I don't really have anything to base this on other than annedotal stores, but my guess is 95% raped when young and the other 5% just wicked. Which means I'm not unsympathetic to them, the damage inflicted on them wasn't their fault. But it is a perversion that spreads like a desease and it should remain a state's right to outlaw it.
I don't need to reference your previous post. If you say so I'll take your word for it.
But without being too nit-picky...I have to say that I'm not quite sure adultery and fornication are on "equal footing" with the practice of homosexuality.
I mean they're all sin...and God prescribes the death penalty for both adultery and homosexuality in the Old Testament.
BUT...it seems to me that homosexuality goes further than simple sexual immorality and disobedience to God...but also totally distorts God's design and created intent for human sexuality.
Now that doesn't mean that I think homosexuality is the worst form of sexual immorality around...I believe heterosexual pedophilia is worse because it violates even more standards of decency. As well as God's special care for children.
Jorge, why do I get the feeling that you are everthing but a follower of Christ. BTW...Catholics do Penance...and I'm not Catholic. If you are not going to accept my apology for hurting your feeling then I'll have to take it back and start flaming you. I don't want that. I don't want to have to follow you from thread to thread for weeks on end. I don't want to have to search for you at DU like some angry troll. Can't we all just get along.
I don't either.
But I do know that some sins have greater consequences than others when it comes to their destructive nature.
And God doesn't want us to destroy our lives.
While there is a hormonal influence traceable in a very rare percentage of homosexual behavior, the behavior is a complex mix of onset hormonal rage (prepubescent/pubescent) and choice in behavior patterns, IMHO. But how to explain the homosexuals who actually turn their lives around and away from the debasement of homosexual behaviors? You can tell a homo-activist by their insistence that this is not a genuine turnaround.
As human beings are exposed to notions of God and salvation, there is a very real tug of war between the 'adamic nature' we're all born with and the longing to commune with God, to be pleasing to Him not abhorent to Him. I think this is generated because of the human spirit within our human soul.
As the homosexual community seeks society's full affirmation for their deviant behavior, they cannot resolve the inner whispers in their human spirit ... they cannot mollify that which Holy God calls them to by forcing through their activism the acceptance and protection within this society or any society.
Much of the activist behavior of homosexuals is misdirected rage against God's still small voice calling them to reject the behavioral urges in favor of spiritual growth. Deviancy in sexual matters (whether adultery, or homosexual behavior, or addiction to pornography ...) is an immaturity in sexual development where sexual and social development run into the 'diety' needs of the adult human being with a spirit that will not be at peace until a relationship with the Creator is begun. It is the source of so many homosexuals that rage against Christianity. It is also the source of the demand to be accepted within a church community as if they are 'just like everyone else'. They are not like everyone else, unless everyone else is slave to addictive behaviors!
You wrote, "He wanted us to love him freely. Homosexual life is no life at all." As you know, when our behavior impedes our free association with Him, we are in a state of 'unrequited spiritual love', deep spiritual longing if you will, thus such a state in life is not 'aliveness', spiritually. I'm reminded of where Jesus said 'Let the dead bury the dead'.
And lastly, 'Many are called but few are chosen' and 'Faithful is He that calleth you, for He will also do it' (calls you to salvation for He will also save you). It is innate in so many to want to respond to God's still small voice by doing their own saving, being good enough to 'warrant' God's affirmation of them, not relenting to allow Him to also 'do it', to grace them with eternal life in Him. As Cain railed at God when told to bring a specific offering, 'I can bring what I have produced by my own efforts and it will be good enough.' But it never was.
Sure we can. But you need to lighten up just a tad first.
My response to you was meant to be tongue in cheek. Go back and read it again. It was a joke dude.
I'm not Catholic either.
I am rather surprised not only at your lack of sense of humor but also your hostility.
You judge me as not being a follower of Christ and then tell me that if I don't accept your apology you will "have to take it back and start flaming" me?
This is an example of what it means to be Christ-like?
I was trying to be light hearted and humerous with you... and unlike you, I've made no judgements about whether you are a follower of Christ or not.
Thank you for posting that link to my post. I stand by what I said....and I like the way I said it.
Of course if you disagree, by all means feel free to challenge it.
You can berate, scream, picket, holler all you want. I just don't agree with that approach.
Mom always said you get more flies with honey than vinegar, and I tend to agree.
Probably because you are so busy condemning anybody who dares disagree with you...that you have are hard time imagining them ascending to your personal level of holiness.
If you are not going to accept my apology for hurting your feeling then I'll have to take it back and start flaming you. I don't want that. I don't want to have to follow you from thread to thread for weeks on end.
You can stalk me all over the internet if you want. Flame me for months on end.
Do you think I care?
I welcome any and all challenges to my posts.
It's what makes posting on FR fun.
Funny, I don't remember attacking you.
But then I don't take FR message board disagreements personally. You shouldn't either.
I really don't remember any past unpleasant encounters with you. Sorry.
Now you play the victim.
I TOLD YOU. I was JOKING. I think your attacks are funny. It's a form of message board entertainment for me.
I was trying to explain some things to PurVirgo, but you insist on corrupting this thread by calling me self-rightous and trying to find Biblical inaccuracy when there is none.
You poor thing. Nothing's stopping you from clarifying your personal positions or Biblical convictions to anyone.
Perhaps if you would stop condemning those whose disagree with you as not being followers of Christ, you might be more convincing.
Just a suggestion dude.
I'll take a look at the other links you posted. Thanks.
The idolatry of perversion... click on my name...
Idolatry of perversion...
It is idolatry. Click on my name...
The idolatry of Marxist paganism...
We could spot it easily as kids, and there does seem to be some kind of "gay sensibility." It's a stereotype, but gays really are florists, flight attendants, decorators, etc.
And since these stereotypes apply to gays from all over, there must be SOMETHING that gives them a common link. If not a gay gene, then I'm curious as to what it is.
BreakPoint with Charles Colson
The Federal Marriage Amendment
The gay-rights movement is advancing like, as one gay activist put it, a juggernaut. First, Canada by judicial fiat legalized same-sex "marriage," and gay couples rushed to Canada to get "married." Second, in the Lawrence decision two weeks ago, the U.S. Supreme Court by judicial fiat struck down the Texas law prohibiting sodomy that makes consensual sex a protected right and sets the precedent for gay "marriage." And third, the Massachusetts Supreme Court by judicial fiat will likely legalize same-sex unions in that state—a ruling that could lead to a domino effect nationwide.
For centuries, civilizations worldwide protected heterosexual families because sex, in the natural order of things, is for procreation. But since the sexual revolution, we've treated sex as recreation, and now people are demanding it like a civil right, and they are succeeding. Gay "marriage" is on the horizon.
And some Christians believe that the battle is lost. There was hardly a protest over the Supreme Court case, one friend told me. And he said, "Face it, Chuck. You can't stop this juggernaut."
Oh, yeah? I'm reminded of the Battle of the Bulge in World War II. The Allied troops were surrounded, and their situation seemed hopeless. The Germans sent a message to the American general Anthony McAuliffe, asking him to surrender and save lives. His answer lives on in American folklore: "Us, surrender? Nuts."
Well, I say we do not rub our hands in despair. I say "nuts" to those who want to give up. Let's roll up our sleeves and get busy.
There is one thing left that could stop the gay "marriage" steamroller. It's a Constitutional amendment. And there's one prepared that says: "Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman."
I've been a little bit lukewarm to this idea because it's such a huge task to get a Constitutional amendment passed, but recent events have changed my mind. This is our last, best option.
The purpose of the Federal Marriage Amendment, according to Dr. Robert George of Princeton University, who helped draft it, is to take the decision about same-sex "marriage" out of the hands of the courts. The amendment will force the fight over marriage into legislatures and the democratic process.
And we can succeed, if Christians and others who value marriage refuse to lay down their arms and go to work.
Obviously, you need to talk to your senators and congressman about getting them to support the amendment. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) has already announced his support. There's no reason this can't pass in this Congress. Then it will go to the states for ratification, where our work will be cut out for us.
I don't want you just to make phone calls, however. I want you to start educating yourselves and your neighbors as to why heterosexual marriage is distinct. No society in history has ever tried this kind of radical social experiment. It's madness.
And we can make an intelligent case, but only if BreakPoint listeners are equipped with the worldview arguments to present it prudentially to their neighbors. So please call us here at BreakPoint (1-877-3-CALLBP). We'd like to send you information you can use. Then, let's go to work. I know it sounds extreme, but I believe nothing less than the survival of our culture is at stake.
I'm glad to hear that. There are some kooks online who have nothing better to do than stalk and harrass people who've disagreed with them. Really weird..but they are out there.
I try to stay low-key in many posts, but I certainly remember you in all the homo-apologist threads that start here on FR. Your angle is the liberaltarian one. I can't accept this. It's too illogical for me...it is also counter to my Christian beliefs.
Actually, I only post in a fraction of all the FR threads on homosexuality. Unlike some who seem obsessed with the topic...I get bored with it.
I always find it interesting that some people claim my positions on this topic are contrary to their "Christian beliefs" when in fact all of my views come from the Bible as well as Christian ministries that deal with this topic..some of which have visited my church.
There is nothing homo-apologist about my views..and the only ones who accuse me of this either don't understand my beliefs, or are homophobic bigots who think the Bible is there to support their personal hatred of others.
So if you could tell me exactly where any of my views are counter to your Christian beliefs, I would love to hear about it. So far you haven't shown me anything unChristian about my views.
Maybe you should clarify how you feel on certain subjects so that all on this thread can see for themselves.
I don't see how I could be anymore bold in articulating a clear position when it comes to most topics. I'm not the least bit shy about voicing my views.
If you have something specific you don't get, by all means don't hesitate to ask me about it.
Enlighten us Jorge. BTW is pronounced "Hor-he"
It's pronounced "whore-hey". :)
LOL!
I'm almost 50 years old and I've met auto mechanics, welders and managers of businesses who turned out to be gay.
And I've met some drop-dead beautiful women who turned out to be lesbians.
Sure most of us can spot the obvious ones, but I've learned the stereotypes don't always apply.
I don't understand... I don't "worship" astrology.
Out of curiosity, I let a friend of mine enter my birth information to do a natal chart. To be honest, what I got back was surprising. I found a striking similarity between my profile and my own personality.
That's where I left it. But who is to say that the position of the planets don't have influence? Who is to say that it doesn't? It's not even an argument worth considering. It's a quesion that some people would equate with the existence of God.
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