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Selling Homosexuality to America
CBN ^ | 7/11/03 | Craig von Buseck

Posted on 07/11/2003 2:12:34 PM PDT by apackof2

Selling Homosexuality to America

By Craig von Buseck
CBN.com Producer

In this exclusive interview, Paul Rondeau talks about his in-depth study, Selling Homosexuality to America, which was recently published in the Regent Law Review.

CBN.com – In his recent study, Selling Homosexuality to America, marketing expert Paul Rondeau explains, "Among America's culture wars, one of today's most intense controversies rages around the issue alternatively identified, depending on one's point of view, as "normalizing homosexuality" or "accepting gayness." The debate is truly a social-ethical-moral conceptual war that transcends both the scientific and legal, though science and law most often are the weapons of choice. The ammunition for these weapons, however, is persuasion."

This article and interview explores how gay rights activists use rhetoric, psychology, and the media to frame what is discussed in the public arena -- and how it is discussed. "In essence," Rondeau points out, "when it comes to homosexuality, activists want to shape 'what everyone knows' and 'what everyone takes for granted' even if everyone does not really know and even if it should not be taken for granted."

"The first strategy of persuasion," he goes on to say, "is to establish a favorable climate for your message so that the communicator (marketer) can influence the future decision without even appearing to be persuading ... This is at the heart of the homosexual campaign: to get consent via social construct today to determine whose idea of personal freedoms will prevail in our legal codes tomorrow."

Paul Rondeau has been a senior sales and marketing management professional with industry leaders for over 25 years. He holds an M.A. in Management, with a specialty in persuasive communication. Currently, he is a doctoral student in communication studies with a focus in rhetoric and persuasion.

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To: PurVirgo
I let a friend of mine enter my birth information to do a natal chart.

He/she constructed an idol for you?

Astrology is a blatant example of pagan idolatry. What else is it? The planets have the names of pagan gods. The constellations are grouped as phantastical images of mythical legends. The astrologers are revered as prophets by psychotic, neurotic adherents in frequent fanatical devotion to any musings these charlatans utter.

201 posted on 07/15/2003 5:52:54 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
sorry, I'm not buying this one. An idol is an object of worship or admiration.

I can't even offer a rebuttal because your argument is flawed.

Please explain yourself

202 posted on 07/16/2003 7:46:55 PM PDT by PurVirgo (I was humble once, but I just had to tell someone about it)
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To: Jorge
Homophobic bigots? So do you or do you not think sodomy is wrong? If you do...what do you suppose you should be doing about it?

Nothing?
203 posted on 07/16/2003 9:21:18 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: apackof2; All
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204 posted on 07/16/2003 9:51:42 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
So you accept the religions of astrology? There are several pagan religions that have astrology. Astrology is entirely of religious origin.

You can deny my argument all you like, but history and anthropology support my argument. So does categorical logic (Aristotle's logic).

These two philosophers are interesting...

The fantastic is, of course, most closely related to the imagination (Phantasien), but the imagination is related in it’s turn to feeling, understanding, and will, so that a person’s feelings, understanding and will may be fantastic. Fantasy is, in general the medium of infinitization… (Kierkegaard, p 60-61)

Kierkegaard, Søren. The Sickness Unto Death. Trans. Alastair Hannay. New York: Penguin, 1989.

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Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlv. Of Demonology and other Relics of the Religion of the Gentiles.

[14] An image, in the most strict signification of the word, is the resemblance of something visible: in which sense the fantastical forms, apparitions, or seemings of visible bodies to the sight, are only images; such as are the show of a man or other thing in the water, by reflection or refraction; or of the sun or stars by direct vision in the air; which are nothing real in the things seen, nor in the place where they seem to be; nor are their magnitudes and figures the same with that of the object, but changeable, by the variation of the organs of sight, or by glasses; and are present oftentimes in our imagination, and in our dreams, when the object is absent; or changed into other colours, and shapes, as things that depend only upon the fancy. And these are the images which are originally and most properly called ideas and idols, and derived from the language of the Grecians, with whom the word eido signifieth to see. They are also called phantasms, which is in the same language, apparitions. And from these images it is that one of the faculties of man's nature is called the imagination. And from hence it is manifest that there neither is, nor can be, any image made of a thing invisible.

[15] It is also evident that there can be no image of a thing infinite: for all the images and phantasms that are made by the impression of things visible are figured. But figure is quantity every way determined, and therefore there can be no image of God, nor of the soul of man, nor of spirits; but only of bodies visible, that is, bodies that have light in themselves, or are by such enlightened.

[16] And whereas a man can fancy shapes he never saw, making up a figure out of the parts of divers creatures, as the poets make their centaurs, chimeras and other monsters never seen, so can he also give matter to those shapes, and make them in wood, clay or metal. And these are also called images, not for the resemblance of any corporeal thing, but for the resemblance of some phantastical inhabitants of the brain of the maker. But in these idols, as they are originally in the brain, and as they are painted, carved moulded or molten in matter, there is a similitude of one to the other, for which the material body made by art may be said to be the image of the fantastical idol made by nature. (Hobbes, p 444)

Hobbes, Thomas. Leviathan: with selected variants from the Latin edition of 1668. Ed. Edwin Curley. Indianapolis: Hackett, 1994.


205 posted on 07/17/2003 5:29:51 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: PurVirgo
So you accept the religions of astrology? There are several pagan religions that have astrology. Astrology is entirely of religious origin.

You can deny my argument all you like, but history and anthropology support my argument. So does categorical logic (Aristotle's logic).

These two philosophers are interesting...

The fantastic is, of course, most closely related to the imagination (Phantasien), but the imagination is related in it’s turn to feeling, understanding, and will, so that a person’s feelings, understanding and will may be fantastic. Fantasy is, in general the medium of infinitization… (Kierkegaard, p 60-61)

Kierkegaard, Søren. The Sickness Unto Death. Trans. Alastair Hannay. New York: Penguin, 1989.

- -

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlv. Of Demonology and other Relics of the Religion of the Gentiles.

[14] An image, in the most strict signification of the word, is the resemblance of something visible: in which sense the fantastical forms, apparitions, or seemings of visible bodies to the sight, are only images; such as are the show of a man or other thing in the water, by reflection or refraction; or of the sun or stars by direct vision in the air; which are nothing real in the things seen, nor in the place where they seem to be; nor are their magnitudes and figures the same with that of the object, but changeable, by the variation of the organs of sight, or by glasses; and are present oftentimes in our imagination, and in our dreams, when the object is absent; or changed into other colours, and shapes, as things that depend only upon the fancy. And these are the images which are originally and most properly called ideas and idols, and derived from the language of the Grecians, with whom the word eido signifieth to see. They are also called phantasms, which is in the same language, apparitions. And from these images it is that one of the faculties of man's nature is called the imagination. And from hence it is manifest that there neither is, nor can be, any image made of a thing invisible.

[15] It is also evident that there can be no image of a thing infinite: for all the images and phantasms that are made by the impression of things visible are figured. But figure is quantity every way determined, and therefore there can be no image of God, nor of the soul of man, nor of spirits; but only of bodies visible, that is, bodies that have light in themselves, or are by such enlightened.

[16] And whereas a man can fancy shapes he never saw, making up a figure out of the parts of divers creatures, as the poets make their centaurs, chimeras and other monsters never seen, so can he also give matter to those shapes, and make them in wood, clay or metal. And these are also called images, not for the resemblance of any corporeal thing, but for the resemblance of some phantastical inhabitants of the brain of the maker. But in these idols, as they are originally in the brain, and as they are painted, carved moulded or molten in matter, there is a similitude of one to the other, for which the material body made by art may be said to be the image of the fantastical idol made by nature. (Hobbes, p 444)

Hobbes, Thomas. Leviathan: with selected variants from the Latin edition of 1668. Ed. Edwin Curley. Indianapolis: Hackett, 1994.


206 posted on 07/17/2003 5:31:01 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: I got the rope
So do you or do you not think sodomy is wrong?

I don't know how many different ways I can tell you before you understand this...
I accept and believe EVERYTHING the Bible says about sexual immorality.

This has been my position from the beginning.

If you do...what do you suppose you should be doing about it?

Nothing?

I don't suppose we should be trying to police the bedrooms of consenting adults, arresting and throwing them in jail for things like sodomy or adultery.

That is not something I think we should be doing.

207 posted on 07/17/2003 5:26:13 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: PurVirgo; Sir Francis Dashwood
An idol is an object of worship or admiration.

An idol is anything that replaces the Lordship of Jesus in your life

Why would you look to the stars when you can look to the Creator of them?

208 posted on 07/17/2003 7:20:11 PM PDT by apackof2 (Listen much, talk little, learn greatly)
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To: Jorge
That is not something I think we should be doing.

What should we/you be doing?
You seem to know what you wouldn't do however you don't offer an alternative if you believe that homosexuality is an abomination as the Bible states.

210 posted on 07/17/2003 7:22:51 PM PDT by apackof2 (Listen much, talk little, learn greatly)
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To: apackof2
What should we/you be doing? You seem to know what you wouldn't do however you don't offer an alternative if you believe that homosexuality is an abomination as the Bible states.

Pehaps someone should have asked this of Jesus when He said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" at the woman caught in adultery.

Like "since you don't believe in people who are sinful themselves stoning adulters to death, Jesus...what exactly then should we do to them?"

????????

211 posted on 07/17/2003 7:39:29 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
that did make for interesting reading.

Perhaps my understanding is misguided, however. Clearly, I understand the idea that that which is intangible cannot be seen from a sensual (senses) aspect. In other words, the face of God, nor a man's soul cannot be accurately described in physical terms. I also understand, from the first philosophers POV, that feelings and emotions are "fantastic". That is, based in fantasy. In other words, whether derived from experience or environment, our mental reactions, even our personal bias of memory, are dependent solely on the individual and his or her spiritual convictions. i.e. Buddhists think of Karma, Christians think of sin.

But perhaps you could explain why astrology is relevant to this argument?

212 posted on 07/17/2003 8:18:13 PM PDT by PurVirgo (I was humble once, but I just had to tell someone about it)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
"We are born at a given moment, in a given place, and like vintage years of wine, we have the qualities of the year and of the season in which we are born"

- Carl Jung

213 posted on 07/17/2003 8:27:35 PM PDT by PurVirgo (I was humble once, but I just had to tell someone about it)
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To: apackof2
Can we not admire his work? Do we not stare in awe at the beauty of His natural world? Can we not wonder about it's purpose?
214 posted on 07/17/2003 8:30:33 PM PDT by PurVirgo (I was humble once, but I just had to tell someone about it)
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To: apackof2
An idol is anything that replaces the Lordship of Jesus in your life

Why would you look to the stars when you can look to the Creator of them?

The men of God in the Bible looked to the stars and the moon and the heavens and praised God for His handiwork.

215 posted on 07/17/2003 9:00:00 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: PurVirgo
Idols are not made just out of clay, wood, metal, or stone, but also constructed in the minds of men. Astrology is such an idol. A pagan idol, much like the Oracle of Delphi.
216 posted on 07/18/2003 2:12:24 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: apackof2
Selling Homosexuality to America


217 posted on 07/18/2003 2:51:42 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
BS....BS....BS...No one is born a Sodomite.

There is never ever ever ever going to be found a "Sodomite" gene.

It is a learned behavior. This is just a cop out.

Another attempt to rationalize the irrational.

219 posted on 07/18/2003 5:58:31 AM PDT by Radioactive
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To: slashcart
"Thus, if a child is not taught language by the time he is 10 or so, he will never be able to master it since the areas of the brain responsible for language didn't form and now cannot."

You are really shoveling it today, slash.

224 posted on 07/18/2003 6:40:55 AM PDT by Windsong
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To: apackof2
Interesting how the homosexual lobby first insists that homosexuality is innate, inborn and immutable, then insists that there's no genetic predisposition.
227 posted on 07/18/2003 7:13:41 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: slashcart
I presume you mean the APA when you cite the "consensus of experts" -- the same APA that wants to normalize homosexual sex with young boys?????

If you think my views are absurd, that's OK, have a good laugh. Don't waste your time on this topic slash....
229 posted on 07/18/2003 7:19:26 AM PDT by Imagine
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To: PurVirgo
Yes of course we admire His work, it reminds us of the Creator however we don't look to them as in astrology to guide or direct our lives
230 posted on 07/18/2003 6:33:32 PM PDT by apackof2 (Listen much, talk little, learn greatly)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Willie and Grace is one example

The facade of homosexuality

One wonders if the audience thought of Will
inserting his penis in the "guest" star if Will might lose some of the appeal

231 posted on 07/18/2003 6:36:54 PM PDT by apackof2 (Listen much, talk little, learn greatly)
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To: Jorge
Yes, they praised the Lord, they didn't look to the stars and moon to guide/direct their lives as in astrology
232 posted on 07/18/2003 6:37:56 PM PDT by apackof2 (Listen much, talk little, learn greatly)
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To: apackof2
Yes, they praised the Lord, they didn't look to the stars and moon to guide/direct their lives as in astrology

Of course not. Astrology is considered similar to divination and witchcraft in the Bible.

233 posted on 07/18/2003 8:22:33 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: slashcart
>>"I wish we could bring to an end this absolutely ridiculous rumor that homosexuality brought down Rome and Greece. Rome and Greece tolerated homosexuality from the beginning and both rose to the stature of dominating much of the known world in that condition. Rome outlawed homosexuality under Constantine's rule (when the empire converted to Christianity) and fell about 100 years later. Homosexuality absolutely was not the cause of the decline of either of those civilizations."<<

Sodomy most definitely had a huge part in the downfall of many nations. Just because God allows sin to go seemingly unchecked for a time doesn't mean it won't eventually reap the consequences. I think it just shows God's patience and His desire that none should perish, but at some point justice must be served. God gave those nations time to repent. They didn't. They fell. I didn't mean to imply (altho I did imply it) that sodomy was the ONLY cause of the downfall of Rome/Greece.
234 posted on 07/19/2003 8:44:35 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: scripter
http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/lawreview/articles/14_2Rondeau.PDF
235 posted on 12/05/2003 2:03:43 PM PST by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: Coleus
Thanks - I have this one in the database.
236 posted on 12/05/2003 2:47:53 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: tdadams
Well, if your sex life includes pedophilia, then as a parent I'll jump in your sex life with both feet, for example.

If you are a rapist, same deal.

If you are having sex with your own family, I'll jump in there too, but not with both feet. I'm not a fan of not having to publicly support the whacked out or mutated products of such intercourse.

If you like having sex with goats, and something infectious results, and I end up getting it, I'm going to be upset.

If you want to have sex with men, and you are a man, and you want to convince me that it is normal, then I'm going to ask how what you call sex ends up in the creation of offspring, since that's the primary function of sex.

Homosexuals suffer from the same basic denial that abortionists suffer from - they don't get that the act of intercourse is DESIGNED to produce offspring PRIMARILY and FUNDAMENTALLY.

That intercourse is either and act of love or sensory gratification is not really relevant to the discussion of whether homosexuality is normal. You can't have kids, ergo you have a disorder, learned or genetic - who cares.

I don't even want to speculate on whether it is learned or genetically coded. In the end, it's still an act you choose to perform, and it isn't naturally supported in any way by the human body, as it doesn't lead to reproduction.

I like the way you tried to equate homosexuality with left handedness. Try equating homosexuality to pedophilia and you are on solid logical ground again.

There is nothing a right handed person can do than a left handed person can do. Nothing about basical physical functions are impeded by being left handed (you can lift things, eat, reproduce, defend yourself).

Homosexuality is like pedophilia, not eye color. They are both rare and abnormal, and in my opinion destructive to both the participants and to society.

Marriage and heterosexuality are for the purpose of reproduction of the human species in a way that rears children into adults with the best chance at becoming optimally adjusted and functional in a civilized society.

Homosexuality does not offer children the best chance for children to become adults in a civilized society. It can't, by definition, and it never will.

I suspect that its an affliction more than it is chosen behavior. Lot's of disabilities prevent people from doing things other people do with ease. There's nothing just about it.

Homosexuals can't reproduce, and as such they shouldn't be parents, unless of course they are prepared to tell their kids that homosexuality is a disease we know very little about, and someday maybe they'll find a cure for it - but it is in no way normal.

Massively disingenuous for you to try to equate homosexuality with left-handedness. That's marketing dressed up as fact.
237 posted on 12/05/2003 3:22:07 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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