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CA: Both sides mull a future without Davis
Bakersfield Californian ^ | 7/12/03 | Robert Price

Posted on 07/12/2003 9:26:32 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

Duane Moore, chairman of the Kern County Democratic Central Committee, has a possible cure for Gov. Gray Davis' recall headache.

Resign. Quit. Clear out your desk.

But leave the lights on for the new guy, Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante.

Quitting now would bring the recall effort to a screeching halt and derail Republicans' plans to hijack the governor's office for Darrell Issa, Arnold Schwarzenegger or somebody else with a more conservative bent.

It would acknowledge what pundits from both parties have been suggesting for months: Davis' political future is about as promising as Dan Lungren's, no matter what the outcome of the recall.

And it would insert a guy who would be far more palatable -- particularly among valley Latinos -- than the man he'd be replacing, let alone some of the likely recall-ballot options.

For now, Moore stresses, gubernatorial abdication is just an idea -- not a formal recommendation by any local Democratic organization. It's not even his personal recommendation, although he's warming to the idea more and more every day.

"We're debating whether we should get behind that (resignation scenario)," Moore said. "There's been discussion about whether our central committee wants to bring it up (for wider discussion). At this point, that hasn't happened. But wouldn't that be funny?"

Moore, ironically, was one of the guys Davis' Stop the Recall team contacted for help in collecting signatures for an anti-recall petition.

If you didn't notice any Stop the Recall volunteers setting up card tables outside Wal-Mart alongside pro-recall solicitors this past month, there's good reason.

The local anti-recall force kept it low-key, working Democratic women's club meetings and an open house for Assemblywoman Nicole Parra.

They turned in about 1,000 signatures, Moore said, and they have pages more to send. They might have gotten more signers, Moore said, but the petitions arrived late in the five-week campaign.

"It doesn't matter," he said. "There's nothing binding behind it. It's just a way to make people aware of what's going on."

That, and create a list of possible volunteers should the recall qualify for the ballot, which seems likely.

Moore, an electrician who's been the local Democratic chairman for a year and a half, says he can't understand why a blue-collar community like Bakersfield would support another referendum on Davis so soon after he defeated a Republican challenger hurling the very same accusations recall advocates are hurling now.

"If people realized how much this recall is going to cost California taxpayers, they'd scream," Moore said. "It doesn't make sense."

It all depends on who you talk to, of course.

Republican campaign strategist Mark Abernathy, who helped coordinate the recall effort in Kern County, says the California recall model works.

"It's a beautiful thing," he said. "Maybe we get somebody who might be a great governor but couldn't get through the party primaries."

Or maybe, much sooner than expected, California gets National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice, who would be the first Republican gubernatorial candidate with a discernable pulse in several years.

Either way, something good happens for Republicans. That's been clear since the leaders of the dump-Davis campaign first stuck a wet finger in the air, Abernathy said.

"From that first day," Abernathy said, "the air was thick with recall."

On Dean's list: It's a given among both Democrats and Republicans that Assemblywoman Parra will be getting another dose of Dean Gardner in 2004.

"I'm pretty certain," Abernathy said, "we'll have a rematch" of their occasionally acrimonious 2002 campaign. "We've had some discussion with Dean Gardner, don't have a definite plan yet."

Milt Younger, a Bakersfield attorney and top Democratic fund-raiser, knows of no impending challenges to Republican Assemblymen Roy Ashburn and Kevin McCarthy, who have what are considered safe seats in the state Legislature.

But he sees the Parra-Gardner rematch coming, too.

"Helping Nicole Parra keep her seat is going to be the thing," he said. "A vote for Dean Gardner is a vote for the right wing. They love that stuff around here, so it'll be interesting."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; davis; future; null; sides; without

1 posted on 07/12/2003 9:26:32 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Saundra Duffy
Ping
2 posted on 07/12/2003 9:27:07 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Support FRee Republic ..... http://www.DRAFTTOM.com ..... Semper Fi)
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We have NO future with Davi$ ...So what would be so bad about life without Davi$? hhmmmmmm?
3 posted on 07/12/2003 9:28:10 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Support FRee Republic ..... http://www.DRAFTTOM.com ..... Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge
Stunning and telling that he won re-election so recently.

Also, a sad state of affairs when so recent an election can be overturned. If it succeeds, the Lefties will use this tactic when it is not warranted.

4 posted on 07/12/2003 9:28:32 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: All

See that good looking dude on the left? He's got FAR BETTER THINGS to do than conduct Freepathons! Come on, let's get this thing over with.

5 posted on 07/12/2003 9:30:32 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Teacher317
Stunning and telling that he won re-election so recently.

Not when you consider that he lied about the deficit until just after the election.

Also, a sad state of affairs when so recent an election can be overturned. If it succeeds, the Lefties will use this tactic when it is not warranted.

Thirty or so previous recall attempts have failed to make it to the ballot. This is more widespread than the domocRATs would have you believe.

6 posted on 07/12/2003 9:32:17 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Teacher317
I think you're right. In addition, whoever the governor is, they are going to have to cut spending and reduce services mightily to get the budget under control, then keep spending limited for years. There is no way Davis' replacement will be anything other than hated by Californians addicted to the nanny state, that is to say, most of them. Let Davis stay in office and take the heat, or let him resign and the democrat lieutenant governor take the heat. Republicans have little to gain by taking on the beast before it reaches critical mass.
7 posted on 07/12/2003 9:36:37 AM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Teacher317
Also, a sad state of affairs when so recent an election can be overturned.

How so? It is perfectly lawful and civil. Leftists already use the courts to overturn elections by appointed judges, why should they bother with a vote?

8 posted on 07/12/2003 9:38:36 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: NormsRevenge; Carry_Okie; Grampa Dave; ScottinSacto; farmfriend
"Resign. Quit. Clear out your desk. But leave the lights on for the new guy, Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante."

I can just hear Carly Simon singin... "Well it's too late baby, it's too late, though we really did try to make it." Ha Ha Ha Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

The law is clear... It's been "FILED!" The door is slammed shut even if he does resign!!!

By maternal pervaricator! You weren't even a good staffer for Gov. Moonbean!!! Enjoy your golden shower from the golden state!!!

9 posted on 07/12/2003 9:39:19 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The Endangered Species Act had not saved one specie, but has ruined thousands of American Dreams!!!)
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To: gcruse
--exactly. Let the Demotraitors stew in their own mess til the slate can be wiped clean both in the executive and the legislative branches--
10 posted on 07/12/2003 9:46:45 AM PDT by rellimpank (Stop immigration now!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Without voter fraud, Dean Gardner WINS!
11 posted on 07/12/2003 9:51:32 AM PDT by TwoStep (Ignorance can be cured, stupid is forever!)
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To: gcruse
Well... I'm sorry to disagree with you and I'm not trying to be disagreeable, but... your opinion may be abject nonsense! There is just as great, if not a far greater opportunity for CA to be saved by a new Repub Governor almost as directly and quickly as Iraq's regime change was accomplished.

Maybe you have difficulty thinking positively, but it would be so good of you to set an example for other FReepers and Lurkers by at least giving it the old college try. Try it, you'll like it!!! It can work and it will!!!

Please don't exhibit the very attitude that perpetually causes conservative Repubs to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. More of this political crap is based on the mere force of faith and belief than objective observers wish to "believe." A huge amount is based on theatrics and momentum as well. It must start with a persistent and determined "belief" much akin to religious ferver!!! (I'm sorry to say)(this is also why Dems fear religious conservatives so much)

12 posted on 07/12/2003 9:54:41 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The Endangered Species Act had not saved one specie, but has ruined thousands of American Dreams!!!)
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To: gcruse
You non-Californians just don't get it! This isn't about some broader republican political strategy! This petition wouldn't have even qualified for the ballot, had it not been for cross-spectrum disaffection with this *sshole, megalomaniac, governor! Whether a republican succeeds him or not, California can't lose anything it never had!
13 posted on 07/12/2003 9:59:25 AM PDT by old school
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To: SierraWasp
Maybe if you could discuss the issue rather than attacking me, your post wouldn't seem so churlish.
14 posted on 07/12/2003 9:59:42 AM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: gcruse
Let Davis stay in office and take the heat, or let him resign and the democrat lieutenant governor take the heat. Republicans have little to gain by taking on the beast before it reaches critical mass.

More support for a ridiculous and destructive political theory. The measures Davis will sign, as opposed to a veto by a Republican governor, will chase Republicans out of this state. By the time the Slave Party is done, the situation will be so bad here there won't be enough of a conservative constituency to take over when it all crashes.

You are forgetting the mess Ronald Reagan inherited from Pat Brown.

I'll bet you're one of those helpful folks who tell conservatives to leave this State too. Shilling for Texas are you?

15 posted on 07/12/2003 10:02:05 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (California! See how low WE can go!)
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To: Teacher317
Also, a sad state of affairs when so recent an election can be overturned. If it succeeds, the Lefties will use this tactic when it is not warranted.

The Republican (especially the CRP), fear of the left wing mouse is what got us to this unbearable spot in the first place.

16 posted on 07/12/2003 10:08:23 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: SierraWasp
Agreed. There has been such an abysmal lack of common sense, and intelligent government, combined with a surplus of corrupt government that the ship of state could be visibly righted quickly. Lets the Pubs demonstrate that, and the '04 elections could sweep away the rest of the Dems in Sacramento.

For God's Sakes, Davis still proposes increased spending. Not everyone in California has lost their senses, have they?

17 posted on 07/12/2003 10:09:46 AM PDT by chiller (could be wrong, but doubt it)
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To: SierraWasp
Well... I'm sorry to disagree with you and I'm not trying to be disagreeable, but... your opinion may be abject nonsense!

I am not as generous as you. I am not sorry I disagree with "gcruse", I am being disagreeable and his/her opinion is abject nonsense. The recall will not only shake Sacramento, but the CA Dems and Repubs. Change may be painful, but not as painful as the status quo.

18 posted on 07/12/2003 10:16:33 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: Teacher317
Non-sense. Dems might want to recall a Republican governor, but couldn't manage it. Davis' incompetence rises way above partisanship.
19 posted on 07/12/2003 10:17:46 AM PDT by chiller (could be wrong, but doubt it)
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To: old school
Whether a republican succeeds him or not, California can't lose anything it never had!

Amen, Brother! Amen.

20 posted on 07/12/2003 10:18:51 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: SierraWasp
Hey SierraWasp

Do you note that the folks that say just leave Davis in there to let the Dems get the blame don’t LIVE in California....(gee no skin off there nose)

In seem like the national Republicans and party wrote off California a while back.

And now just wants us yahoo out here to sit back and not rock the “national” boat (that why it seems we get sold out on immigration and other issues lately)

It’s also seem to me why we have such a terrible state Republican party ....the national Republican party has put a lot of folks in power in California to do just that ....“don’t rock the boat”

note: the state party did NOT back the recall ..

also note: if the national Republican party had really BACKED Simons instead of pouting because us California locals didn’t accept the national party anointing of RINO Rordin we would not be here

Well folks in my opinion as a native Californian, this is pure, fed up, grassroots California rebellion time and if you don’t live here ...well thank you very much but......well take it from here

21 posted on 07/12/2003 10:47:14 AM PDT by tophat9000
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To: everyone
How about the last thing that Dem said:

"A vote for Dean is a vote for the right wing, but then again that like that stuff around here".
22 posted on 07/12/2003 10:48:46 AM PDT by Paul8148
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To: NormsRevenge
This article repeats a lie that Professor Susan Estrich of California croaked on Fox News a few days ago. If Davis resigns, it does NOT mean the recall is derailed. California law clearly provides that if the target of a recall resigns "after the recall petition has been filed," that person is replaced only "until the election is held." And this recall petition has not only been filed, it has been completed.

Since Davis intends to donate his ego to Harvard Medical School, he will never resign. However, if he did, Lt.-Gov. Bustamante will take over only until the recall election is held. In that instance, the only question decided in that election will be who replaces Davis for the balance of his current term.

The writer of this story is either incompetent or dishonest, not to know that California law provides for this possibility in plain English. Incompetent or dishonest -- sort of defines more than half of the American press, doesn't it?

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, now up FR, "Fear and Loathing in the Supreme Court."

23 posted on 07/12/2003 11:10:37 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob ("Saddam has left the building. Heck, the building has left the building.")
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To: Congressman Billybob
Thanks for this most pertinent info.
24 posted on 07/12/2003 11:12:45 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: Teacher317
You appear to be forgetting that the hallmark of the American left is that they cannot win in even a reasonably fair democratic process. This is, of course, why their only long-term agenda successes have come from the judiciary, i.e. from arbitrary decisions by one or a handful of their toadies. So what if the lefties use the recall process -- California's is more poorly designed than most, in that it does not provide for a majority or specific high plurality for the successor candidate -- but that doesn't invalidate the notion of recall itself. If they think they could get 50%+1 to kick out (insert your favourite politico here), let 'em try. They can't, of course.

More recalls, not fewer, are required, and nationwide. The filth (of either party, thank you) who lie their way into office have little or no fear of the wrath of the electorate, and it's high time they acquired some...or a lot.

25 posted on 07/12/2003 11:14:20 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: Congressman Billybob
Thanks!

The sad thing is the media continues to say the opposite re: filing vs certification and misleads and lies to the public.

But, We should expect nothing less than that from a sad sackful of losers amd moral reprobates now, should we?

26 posted on 07/12/2003 11:15:30 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Support FRee Republic ..... http://www.DRAFTTOM.com ..... Semper Fi)
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27 posted on 07/12/2003 11:27:06 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: Teacher317
Fricking BS!!

The man ran up a $38 BILLION deficit!

Stay out of our business, lot of people are hurting out here because of these Socialists!

28 posted on 07/12/2003 11:29:16 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: SierraWasp
Nicely said!
29 posted on 07/12/2003 11:35:45 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: elbucko
Change may be painful, but not as painful as the status quo.

Absolutely right!

30 posted on 07/12/2003 11:38:45 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: SierraWasp
Thank you very much.
31 posted on 07/12/2003 11:53:27 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Give to Free Republic before we fall into the ocean!)
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To: elbucko; SierraWasp
I believe it's going to shake the whole nation. This is NOT a small thing happening out here.
32 posted on 07/12/2003 11:55:15 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Give to Free Republic before we fall into the ocean!)
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To: NormsRevenge
"If people realized how much this recall is going to cost California taxpayers, they'd scream," Moore said. "It doesn't make sense."

Dear Mr Moore,

Your state is bleeding at the rate of $1 billion (with a B) a month with Davis in there. The recall, by your party's own admission, is $30 million TOTAL!!

Doesn't it make sense to spend a little to save a lot?

Hopefully the recall will but a clamp on the bills coming out of the Dems in Sacramento. Today Davis, Tomorrow Perata, Lockyer, Kuehl, etc.

33 posted on 07/12/2003 12:23:01 PM PDT by hattend
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To: Teacher317
If it succeeds, the Lefties will use this tactic when it is not warranted.

Well, that's how California's constitution was set up.

If they can get the signatures, they have the right. It'll make them look petty.

There is no downside to this recall effort.

34 posted on 07/12/2003 12:25:42 PM PDT by hattend
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To: NormsRevenge
And it would insert a guy who would be far more palatable -- particularly among valley Latinos -- than the man he'd be replacing, let alone some of the likely recall-ballot options.

Well, since the author is looking at the recall election from a racist point of view, I'll go on record as saying that I want Davis' replacement to be someone who is more palatable to the white residents of California.

35 posted on 07/12/2003 12:30:48 PM PDT by judgeandjury (The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.)
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To: Teacher317
If it succeeds, the Lefties will use this tactic when it is not warranted.

Most voters will use common sense when contemplating whether or not to recall a governor.

36 posted on 07/12/2003 12:34:10 PM PDT by judgeandjury (The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.)
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To: gcruse
"...cut spending and reduce services mightily ..


I am a California Voter. I would support any candidate that would cut spending and reduce services mightily...

37 posted on 07/12/2003 12:37:43 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: CIB-173RDABN
Unfortunately, you are heavily outnumbered by the welfare statists. Anyone rolling back social services will be doomed.
Might as well let it be a democrat, because whoever does it, the opposition party will be in power immediately thereafter.
38 posted on 07/12/2003 12:42:34 PM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: judgeandjury
It's gone way beyond race in this State. It's the commie agenda that's crept-in. Hell, the so-called minorities are scrapping amongst themselves, because they can't trust one another to provide "equality" for "all" of the races. And, and many of the whites have been so pacified, that they don't even know that they're gettin' screwed! The communists have done their jobs well in California. The level of education in this State is abominable. It's like herding sheep!
39 posted on 07/12/2003 12:53:37 PM PDT by old school
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To: gcruse
Other than public employees - especially union members - I'm not sure how many people gain from the nanny state as we have it.

I'm frankly embarassed at the quality of government services in this state. Every other state I've been to (Florida, Texas, Arizona, Nevada, etc) has appeared to have a more together government with better services, and yet taxes and property values in all those states are much lower.

If the new governor simply points out that he's cutting back on services that were too lousy to use anyway, he might get a lot more points than you are thinking.

Remember, Gray Davis, unbelievable as this may seem now, ran as a fiscal conservative!

D
40 posted on 07/12/2003 1:02:48 PM PDT by daviddennis (Visit amazing.com for protest accounts, video & more!)
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