Ann Coulter Answers Conservative Critics Live on Larry Elder Now

KABC Los Angeles

[Cinnamon Girl]

Apparently, some people have taken issue with what Coulter has written about McCarthy and the "blacklisting" in Hollywood. Ann is on Larry Elder's show now with a conservative director explaining her work in "Treason."

[Cinnamon Girl]

I'm about halfway into "Treason" and am admittedly confused about the whole blacklisting thing. Some of my college teachers were blacklisted in Hollywood and one of them was particularly hopping mad about it his whole life. I always thought Elia Kazan was wrong and now I'm getting the other side of the story...

[Cinnamon Girl]

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[hole_n_one]

Link to neat audio stream at KABC 790

[hole_n_one]

neat s/b net

[hole_n_one]

The net stream is neat

[Cinnamon Girl]

Thanks, hole_n_one. Are you listening? I forgot the director's name, but he's taking Ann to task for her black and white take on McCarthy. But now she's responding strongly. Still, I'm wondering if her portrayal of blacklisted hollywood people as "having to fire the maid" is an accurate way to explain how they experienced "blacklisting."

[hole_n_one]

I'm afraid not.......

My pc audio is messed up and for some reason, any and all AM reception in my apt. has always been virtually unintelligible, except for after 6:00 pm, when it's clear as a bell.

How weird is that?

[FreedomPoster]

Perfect! "People should read my book before criticizing".

Horowitz had several inaccuracies in his column that indicated to me he had not read the book.

[DPB101]

The blacklist was no different than what is done today by both left and right. "Red Channels" published a list of names in 1950 of celebrities who were either CPUSA members or supported Soviet fronts. Americans were being killed by communists in Korea. People were fired because producers knew keeping them on would enrage the public.

Dorothy Rabinowitz, in her attack on Coulter, cited Phillip Loeb as a victim of the blacklist who was not "resourceful enough to fight back.

Loeb was paid $85,000(over half a million in current dollars) when he was terminated in 1951. A few years later he killed himself because he could not pay a New York State tax bill of $1,000.

Some victim. He could have continued to work had he wished. All he had to do was renounce his support of Stalin (Loeb had defended the Moscow show trials) and tell congress what he knew about the Communist Party USA.

He choose not to. The producer of his TV show, Berg, tried to explain to him she had 20 other people who depended on her show for their livelihood. Loeb didn't care. He love of communism trumped all.

[YaYa123]

You gotta love Ann's rapid fire responses, usually delivered with rapier wit. I especially love when she makes a point with humorous exaggeration.

Two women having lesbian sex = Katie Curok interviewing Hillary.
Half a brain knows that was Ann's way of saying Katie was sucking up to Hillary.

Hardships blacklisted Hollywooders faced = They had to fire their maids.
Half a brain knows the Hollywood crowd still had their kids in private schools, and still worked, brought home the bacon, using aliases. Even more important, many of them really were socialists....and guess what? They still are today!

When Al Franken uses this comic device, he's applauded.
When Jesse Jackson adds poetic twists to insults, he's celebrated.

Liberals aren't used to catchy responses, much less delivered with punch and pizazz, by a brilliant, highly educated, sexy blonde babe. Hellsbells, they aren't used to responses at all.

[Cacophonous]

"I ain't sorry for what I done!" - Marlon Brando, "On the Waterfront". Speaking for Elia Kazan. Terrific movie.

[Bob]

Some of my college teachers were blacklisted in Hollywood and one of them was particularly hopping mad about it his whole life.

How long ago were you in college? Would these teachers have been old enough to have been adults during the late 40's/early 50's timeframe?

I'd be highly suspicious of such claims. They're too easy to make and they're difficult to refute.

[Cinnamon Girl]

I was in college in the early 90's. These guys were old. And famous. Everyone knows they were blacklisted.

[YaYa123]

But lest we forget, Ann Coulter wasn't the first, or the only beautiful Conservative woman who threw Democrats into mind boggling tailspins of despair.
Barbara Olson, though much kinder and gentler, was as feared and hated by the left as Ann. I miss her still.

[eddie willers]

I miss her still.

Me too.
Loved "Hell To Pay".

[ChadGore]

thanks for the link KABC 790 I'm streaming now.

[Cinnamon Girl]

Did you read Treason, YaYa123?

[DPB101]

Can't get audio...could you give us an account?

[Bob]

I was in college in the early 90's. These guys were old. And famous. Everyone knows they were blacklisted.

OK, but just out of curiosity, who were they?

[hole_n_one]

[Cinnamon Girl]

Abe Polonsky and Frank Tarloff to name a few. I loved Abe. He was brilliant.

[RonDog]

Some of my college teachers were blacklisted in Hollywood...

As I understand it, Senaotr McCarthy was NOT involved with ANY of "Hollywood blacklisting."

His primary mission was to get security risks out of sensitive positions in the U.S. government.

I look forward to learning MORE about this important period in our history, and thank Ann for challenging me to reconsider the "common knowledge" (aggressively promoted by the leftist media) about Joe McCarthy and his efforts to fight the communists - at a time when it was by no means certain that we could ever beat them.

[Cinnamon Girl]

That's right, Ron. I've been learning about the whole scene in Ann's book. The first thing she points out is that McCarthy obviously wasn't part of HUAC because he was a SENATOR.

[ladyinred]

I think a lot of us grew up with the other side of the story, and that appears to be just what is was, a story. Since I now know how corrupt the democrats are, I am thankful to Ann and others for telling us what the real truth is. The book certainly made more sense than the fantasy I grew up with. Especially in light of the kind of political policies the Democrats are embracing. Having studied communism in school in the late 60's, I recognize it when I see it.

[ladyinred]

He love of communism trumped all.

You hit the nail right on the head. It is a religion to them, not a political ideology.

[UbIwerks]

Horowitz had several inaccuracies in his column that indicated to me he had not read the book.

I'm an admirere of Horowitz but I disagree with his review of Ann Coulter's book.

[eddie willers]

Wow....you've got a hard drive that just won't quit.
Thanks for the picture.

[RLK]

I knew a number of CPUSA members and people attending party meeting in the '40s and '50s. The activities are understated to this day.

[YaYa123]

No, not yet....only flipped through when my slow reader husband puts it down. But I will, and Ann's many tv appearances have gotten my curiosity up, and there's so much to read about the Hollywood Blacklist online.

Didn't know till recently that theatre actors weren't affected, and blacklisted movie actors could still get work in theaters. And somehow, I had missed the info that Sean Penn's daddy was one of those blacklisted.

From some place in my memory bank I have the image of of Ricky Ricardo (or was that Desi Arnaz), telling reporters, "The only thing red about Lucy, is her hair.". No doubt the Washington dragnet for communist sympathizers in Hollywood was scary as hell for the Hollywood crowd, threatening indeed. But look at the benefit....Hollywood celebrities can still claim victimhood, and milk it for all it's worth.

[Cacophonous]

If you want an interesting (although a little different and warlier) perspective, I recommend "Winter in Moscow" by Malcolm Muggeridge, which shows how the intelligentsia of the West fawned all over Stalin and the Soviet Union. The edition I own has a terrific introduction by Michael D. Aeschliman, a fine man and terrific instructor at Virginia.

[L_Von_Mises]

For a fairly in-depth look at communism's influence on Hollywood take a look at "Hollywood Party: How Communism Seduced the American Film Industry in the 1930s and 1940s" by Kenneth Lloyd Billingsley.

Most on the left try to rewrite history by beginning at the point in time where the screws begin to turn against them, deliberately leaving out the events that led up to it. Prior to the, now famous, blacklisting of communists there was a general blacklisting of non-communists or anyone opposed to their viewpoint (at least publicly) by Hollywood. The writers, unions, etc. were mostly hard line communists and it had a pronounced effect on what was coming out of Hollywood.

Once Stalin enslaved Eastern Europe and the Korean War began, many began to become concerned about the slant of films coming out of Hollywood and felt, that because of Hollywood's influence, it should be addressed.

The left, in its typical hypocrytical fashion, only speaks of the blacklist against them but refuse to discuss the blacklist that existed prior that favored them. I have little sympathy for them.

[Cacophonous]

edit: "warlier" = "earlier" to those that insist on spelling correctly

[Fester Chugabrew]

"Wow....you've got a hard drive that just won't quit.

Yeah, but no floppy discs in that picture.

[Flint]

I'd be highly suspicious of such claims. They're too easy to make and they're difficult to refute

I don't get the connection between teachers and Hollywood. Is this person saying that his or her teachers used to be Hollywood stars/directors/producers/writers before they became teachers? McCarthy was after the Communist take over of the media. I never heard of him going after teachers.

[Sans-Culotte]

Remember, McCarthy had nothing to do with the House Un-American Activities Committee, being a senator and all.

For a good history of the Hollywood blacklist, and the communist infestation in Hollywood that led to it, try Hollywood Party by Kenneth Lloyd Billingsley. You will learn that a de-facto blacklist was already in effect by the commies against the non-commies before HUAC. You will learn the the commies entrenched themselves by taking over the Hollywood unions (big surprise!). You will learn that all the Hollywood types who failed to answer questions about whether they were members of the Communist Party were card-carrying members (a fact glossed over in documentaries that portray them as innocent witch-hunt victims). You will learn that, far from being a villain, Elia Kazan was in fact, a courageous hero, who did what all right-thinking Americans ought to have done. Indeed, Kazan could be seen as the Whittaker Chambers of Hollywood for ratting out the commies.

[DPB101]

Abe Polonsky had been in the OSS. He took the fifth rather than testify before congress--at a time when his beloved communists were torturing and shooting American POWs in the back.¹

A shame he ever got any job in America job again. No moral difference between him and Nazi Bund members or NeoNazis.

[Cinnamon Girl]

Yes, I know. Please see post #23.

[Cinnamon Girl]

What is the OSS?

[DPB101]

Letters from Germans in the Ukraine during the Holodomor were made public last weekend. I've read others but these are the worst. They were taken out by diplomatic pouch, not censored and just now translated.

Click here to read

Many full text articles by Muggeridge, Lyons, Duranty on the Gareth Jones site above.

[John Lenin]

They are all 'Red Diaper Doper Babies' to me. Looking at Holly wood now it's hard to find many conservatives, or at least ones who will admit to it. I know a few SAG members and all of them harcore leftists. I would imagine it would be hard to get or keep a union job in the entertainment industry if you were a vocal conservative.

[DPB101]

OSS became the CIA. It was infested with communists. All Americans had an obligation to tell what they knew about the Communist Party USA--someone who worked for the OSS had more of an obligation. But many didn't. Stalin was more important to them than America.

Btw...the CPUSA was not just another political party. It had been funded and controled by the Kremlin since 1920. Party members knew that. Liberals and Democrats knew it too but denied it. Not until the 1990s was a paper trail made public which proved it.

[Pharmboy]

Dead on.

[proud American in Canada]

"Barbara Olson was as feared and hated by the left as Ann. I miss her still."

so do I....and so does Ann, I am sure.

And I would not doubt that that is what part of what fires Ann in her writings, since they were close friends.

What a terrible day... two known Freepers (also a NYC fire chief) lost, and, I am sure, some not known.

Thanks for keeping up the good fight Ann Coulter!

[FreedomPoster]

Likewise.

[proud American in Canada]

bump for later reading, seeing the insightful contributions of Freepers, which is why I love this place. :-)

[RonDog]

the insightful contributions of Freepers...

For a real treat, see how some extraordinary FReepers defended Ann against THIS initial series of attacks against her new book:

The Trouble with Treason (David Horowitz regarding Ann Coulter)
			Posted by DPB101 On 07/08/2003 2:45 AM PDT with 231 comments Frontpagemagazine.com ^ | 7/8/03 | David Horowitz
A Conspiracy So Vast: Meet Ann Coulter, the Maureen Dowd of the conservatives
			Posted by Pokey78 On 07/06/2003 9:17 PM PDT with 339 comments Opinion Journal ^ | 07/14/03 | DOROTHY RABINOWITZ
Andrew Sullivan: It’s all getting a little hysterical (Ann Coulter = Michael Moore)
			Posted by Pokey78 On 07/05/2003 4:28 PM PDT with 283 comments The Sunday Times (U.K.) ^ | 07/06/03 | Andrew Sullivan
Has she no shame? [Conason on Coulter--Some Men Just Can't Handle Blondes]
			Posted by publius1 On 07/05/2003 10:44 AM PDT with 353 comments Salon ^ | July 4, 2003 | Joe Conason

[Cinnamon Girl]

This will sound kind of ridiculous, but I'm pretty upset about this whole brainwashing I've experienced with regard to the blacklisting. It goes back so far that when I was a kid I used to perform leftist propaganda plays which dealt with this topic, Nixon, etc. And I really did adore Abe Polonsky. And now I feel bad that I always thought Elia Kazan was wrong. Is Elia still alive? I'd like to apologize to him.

[Cacophonous]

Duranty should have been hanged for treason.

[jonascord]

Office of Strategic Services. Run By William Donavan, it was the precursor to the CIA. It's charter only allowed it to work overseas, since Ol' J. Edgar's FBI was proported to be domestic spy chasing. (Lucky Luciano caught more spies than Hoover ever did.)

Donovan staffed the OSS with all his Hahvahd and Yalie brothers, and they left wreckage we have only begun to clean up. Viet Nam, the Cold War, Berlin, the Balkins, France, Algeria, South America, Egypt, The Middle East, China, Burma, India. The OSS was everywhere, screwing things up.

Picking and choosing which French Communist underground cells would get weapons dropped to them, while they betrayed rival Gaullists to the Gestapo. Sterling Hayden smuggled guns to Tito, who used them to kill Anti-Communist Croats. Ho Chi Mihn was OSS and was promised an independant, US backed Indo-china. And, oddly enough a lot of ex-OSS would up in the CIA...