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URGENT: Joseph Wilson to Bill Moyers in Feb. interview war with Iraq not just about WMD!
NOW with Bill Moyers ^ | 7/14/03 | Interview transcript

Posted on 07/14/2003 5:58:16 PM PDT by Wolfstar

In Depth — Transcript, February 28, 2003, Bill Moyers talks with Joseph C. Wilson, IV

[BEGIN EXERPT]

MOYERS: You are calling for coercive inspections.

WILSON: That's right. Muscular disarmament, coercive inspections, coercive containment, whatever you want to call it. I don't think containment's the right word because we're really talking about disarmament.

MOYERS: Does it seem to you that the President, George Bush, is prepared to accept a disarmed Hussein? Or does he want a dead Hussein?

WILSON: I think he wants a dead Hussein. I don't think there's any doubt about it.

MOYERS: President Bush's recent speech to the American Enterprise Institute, he said, let me quote it to you. "The danger posed by Saddam Hussein and his weapons cannot be ignored or wished away." You agree with that?

WILSON: I agree with that. Sure. I...
MOYERS: "The danger must be confronted." You agree with that? "We would hope that the Iraqi regime will meet the demands of the United Nations and disarm fully and peacefully. If it does not, we are prepared to disarm Iraq by force. Either way, this danger will be removed. The safety of the American people depends on ending this direct and growing threat." You agree with that?

WILSON: I agree with that. Sure. The President goes on to say in that speech as he did in the State of the Union Address is we will liberate Iraq from a brutal dictator. All of which is true.

[ED. NOTE: This is the only time in the lengthy Moyers interview where Wilson mentions the State of the Union Address. At NO time did he mention any concerns about the sentence regarding British intelligence and Niger. The grousing about that sentence actually began shortly after the SOTUA and went nowhere. Now comes this sudden, new-found "concern" by a man with long ties to the Democrat Party.]

[SNIP]

MOYERS: You think war is inevitable?

WILSON: I think war is inevitable. Essentially, the speech that the President gave at the American Enterprise Institute was so much on the overthrow of the regime and the liberation of the Iraqi people that I suspect that Saddam understands that this is not about disarmament.


WILSON: But I think disarmament is only one of the objectives. And the President has touched repeatedly and more openly on the other objectives in recent speeches including this idea of liberating Iraq and liberating its people from a brutal dictator. And I agree that Saddam Hussein is a brutal dictator.

And I agree along with everybody else that the Iraqi people could — would well be far better off without Saddam Hussein. The problem really is a war which has us invading, conquering and then subsequently occupying Iraq may not achieve that liberation that we're talking about.

MOYERS: So this is not just about weapons of mass destruction.

WILSON: Oh, no, I think it's far more about re-growing the political map of the Middle East.

[SNIP]

MOYERS: Talk to me a moment about the notion of preemptive action and regime change. Preemptive action means an attack.

WILSON: That's right. That's right. We have historically reserved as part of our right of legitimate self-defense the authority to go in and take out an enemy before that enemy has an opportunity to take us out.

[END EXERPT]

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1 posted on 07/14/2003 5:58:16 PM PDT by Wolfstar
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2 posted on 07/14/2003 5:58:59 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Wolfstar
Please forgive the incomplete addendum on "Who is Joseph C. Wilson. Accidentally clicked "Post" while intending to click "Preview."

To continue: Click here for a full bio. Here are key highlights:

A career diplomat; member of the U.S. Diplomatic Service 1976—1998.

In 1985-1986, he served in the offices of Senator Albert Gore and the House Majority Whip, Representative Thomas Foley, as an American Political Science Association Congressional Fellow.

Held several very senior diplomatic posts in the 1990's under Bill Clinton until he joined the Clinton Administration as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council from June 1997 until July 1998.

3 posted on 07/14/2003 6:08:58 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB a truly great President we're NUTS!)
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To: PhiKapMom
Some of the research I promised you.
4 posted on 07/14/2003 6:09:20 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB a truly great President we're NUTS!)
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To: Wolfstar
Bush Nuke Basher Admitted Saddam Sought the Bomb
5 posted on 07/14/2003 6:17:06 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Wolfstar
Moyers is scum. A DemocRAT operative, his phony pretend piety is sickening.
6 posted on 07/14/2003 6:20:51 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: Wolfstar; Ernest_at_the_Beach; backhoe; BOBTHENAILER
Good research, thank you for posting your work!
7 posted on 07/14/2003 6:35:40 PM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: Wolfstar
The problem for the White House was that they were a continent away,when the hysteria started.The Democrats and their toadie, Wilson, seized the moment because they knew the President would be vulnerable and not fully aware of the rising chorus back home.I think if Bush had been stateside,he would have understood the situation better. Wilson was alleging one set of papers were forged and yet the Brits were talking about an entirely different set of intel,not relying on Wilson's papers. It is apples and oranges and there was no need for any clarification.The only problem for the WH would have been if the Brit's backed away from their claim .
8 posted on 07/14/2003 6:36:15 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Wolfstar
From: July 11, 2003, 11:00 a.m. "Scandal! Bush’s enemies aren't telling the truth about what he said" by Clifford D. May, a former New York Times foreign correspondent http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may071103.asp
excerpt:
------------------- It also would have been useful for the New York Times and others seeking Wilson's words of wisdom to have provided a little background on him. For example: He was an outspoken opponent of U.S. military intervention in Iraq. He's an "adjunct scholar" at the Middle East Institute — which advocates for Saudi interests. The March 1, 2002 issue of the Saudi government-weekly Ain-Al Yaqeen lists the MEI as an "Islamic research institutes supported by the Kingdom." He's a vehement opponent of the Bush administration which, he wrote in the March 3, 2003 edition of the left-wing Nation magazine, has "imperial ambitions." Under President Bush, he added, the world worries that "America has entered one of it periods of historical madness." He also wrote that "neoconservatives" have "a stranglehold on the foreign policy of the Republican Party." He said that "the new imperialists will not rest until governments that ape our world view are implanted throughout the region, a breathtakingly ambitious undertaking, smacking of hubris in the extreme." He was recently the keynote speaker for the Education for Peace in Iraq Center, a far-left group that opposed not only the U.S. military intervention in Iraq but also the sanctions — and even the no-fly zones that protected hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Kurds and Shias from being slaughtered by Saddam. And consider this: Prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Wilson did believe that Saddam had biological weapons of mass destruction. But he raised that possibility only to argue against toppling Saddam, warning ABC's Dave Marash that if American troops were sent into Iraq, Saddam might "use a biological weapon in a battle that we might have. For example, if we're taking Baghdad or we're trying to take, in ground-to-ground, hand-to-hand combat." He added that Saddam also might attempt to take revenge by unleashing "some sort of a biological assault on an American city, not unlike the anthrax, attacks that we had last year." In other words, Wilson is no disinterested career diplomat — he's a pro-Saudi, leftist partisan with an ax to grind. And too many in the media are helping him and allies grind it. -------------------
9 posted on 07/14/2003 6:47:29 PM PDT by raised by wolves
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To: MizSterious; Wolfstar; *Bush Doctrine Unfold; *war_list; W.O.T.; Dog Gone; Grampa Dave; blam; ...
Thanks for the ping!

Wolfstar -- THANKS FOR THE RESEARCH!

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10 posted on 07/14/2003 6:48:43 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks so much for the ping, Ernest. Good info.
11 posted on 07/14/2003 7:06:31 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Wolfstar
I read the bio, and saw nothing about Wilson being appointed as ambassador under the elder Pres Bush, as I heard on Hannity's program; also heard that VP Cheney is the one who asked Wilson to check out the Niger story.

This is really turning into more than the GOP needs, and the Dems are going to hang on like junkyard dogs.

12 posted on 07/14/2003 7:14:30 PM PDT by katze
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To: MizSterious; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks for the "If you repeat a Lie long enough" PING.

Great freepin' research Wolfstar.

13 posted on 07/14/2003 7:15:00 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (Dues paying member of the vast right wing conspiracy)
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To: Wolfstar

XV. Thou shalt not unnecessarily excerpt!

14 posted on 07/14/2003 7:25:19 PM PDT by Spiff (Liberalism is a mental illness - a precursor disease to terminal Socialism.)
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To: Spiff
Cool!
15 posted on 07/14/2003 7:33:46 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: Spiff
What if thy three-day-old web link dost evaporate like the morning mist?
16 posted on 07/14/2003 7:39:09 PM PDT by raised by wolves
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To: Wolfstar; William McKinley
Good job, Wolfstar!

Pinging the Mighty Pen McKinley!

17 posted on 07/14/2003 8:16:16 PM PDT by arasina (I'm not sure if I really care for indecisive people. Maybe I do; maybe not.)
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To: katze
Katze, with utmost respect, please explain your comment for my info — not a challenge, I genuinely don't understand your references. Have not kept up with all details on this story. Thanks
18 posted on 07/14/2003 8:30:34 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB a truly great President we're NUTS!)
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To: Spiff
Spiff, with all due respect, I exerpted this due to the length of the entire transcript. I also wanted to focus in on the important segments apropos the current controversy regarding one sentence in the State of the Union Address. It is my understanding that — although the information about the presumptively forged documents re Iraq-Niger is some seven months old — Joseph Wilson started the current brouhaha with an article of his published a week or so ago. In that article, he largely contradicts what he said in the Moyers interview last February — which isn't too surprising considering that he contradicts himself a couple of times within that interview. He seems to be nothing if not inconsistent!

Given Wilson's ties to Gore, Foley, and Clinton, there is every reason to believe this whole thing is a classic setup. Those who say they believe it was timed to come out when the President was overseas are almost certainly correct. The Dems get someone like Wilson, who has the veneer of expertise and statesmanship, to plant the story. All the key Dems in politics and media are alerted in advance so they have their attack ready to go as soon as the story is printed. Then they howl and rant and rave while the White House is off-guard due to the Africa trip. Classic backstabbing maneuver.

19 posted on 07/14/2003 8:41:15 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB a truly great President we're NUTS!)
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To: Wolfstar
The bio you posted for Wilson does not include his appointment as ambassador appointed by the elder Pres Bush. I did a search, and it appears Wilson was appointed as ambassador to Gabon, San Tome and Principe, by then-Pres George HW Bush on Jul 2, 1992. Someone on Hannity's program made reference to this, tho' not specific as to which country. Further, on the same Hannity's program, the same person (can't remember who said it) said that VP Cheney is the one who asked Wilson to check out the Niger rumor. The ambassadorship info is obviously correct, since I found several articles with the same info, yet yours (and other articles) did not mention.

I found all this odd, since Hannity called Wilson a "political hack", and when the bio you posted didn't include the info about Pres Bush appointments, from all appearances, this guy has generally been a Democrat and one of Clinton's hacks, I wondered how all this tied in.

This is of great concern to me because although I still see Tenet as a Clinton man, I feel he is being made a scapegoat, and this is an easy way to get rid of him. The Dems are going to hold on to this through the '04 campaign, IMO, and will Hillary be their saviour?

Actually, I do not believe the entire truth has yet been told. IMO, the more that is said by the WH, the worse it gets.

20 posted on 07/14/2003 9:24:22 PM PDT by katze
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Wolfstar -- Great research!

This is a must read for all of us!

PKM
21 posted on 07/14/2003 9:32:43 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: PhiKapMom
Thanks for the ping. I think this is a setup, and the Dems sprung the "trap" as soon as President Bush left the country. Worms that they are.
22 posted on 07/14/2003 9:37:41 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: PhiKapMom
One more item to prove what Joseph Wilson actaully is.

The real scandal is why did Joseph Wilson's wife, who is an operative in the CIA, recommend her husband for the sensitive job of investigating the Iraq/Niger Uranium connection when he has abdsolutely no experience in this area?

23 posted on 07/14/2003 9:38:23 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Joseph Wilson is a fraud and the whole world needs to know it)
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To: PhiKapMom
Thanks for the ping

BTW .. I don't know if this has been posted .. but I found this


War in Iraq:
Consequences
With Joseph C. Wilson
Former Acting Ambassador to Iraq
Thursday, April 3, 2003; 11 a.m. ET http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/03/sp_iraq_wilson040303.htm
24 posted on 07/14/2003 9:38:39 PM PDT by Mo1 (Please help Free Republic and Donate Now !!!)
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To: Utah Girl
I was pretty convinced it was a set-up planned for his trip to Africa, but not I am totally convinced after reading this.

It is the only thing that makes sense. Believe the Clintons had this planned all along. In fact, I read in my email that Hillary has called for an investigation into Niger/State of the Union/Bush! Made me want to throw something!
25 posted on 07/14/2003 9:40:08 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: Wolfstar
Excellent find! Now if only the media would broadcast this.
My heart is pounding I am so angry about all of this!
26 posted on 07/14/2003 9:42:02 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: PhiKapMom
BUMPING

BUT

GOOD

27 posted on 07/14/2003 9:43:45 PM PDT by deport (On a hot day don't kick a cow chip...... only democrat enablers..)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
No matter how often the Brits say they have other intelligence, or how often someone tells them the entire sentence the President uttered that fateful night, the media refuse to see the truth of the matter, and drone on hour after hour. Why is that do you suppose, since there is no media bias? </sarcasm>

I only wish the President would call a news conference and stand up once and for all to this pack of raving wolves. Tell them where to stuff it Mr. President!
28 posted on 07/14/2003 9:45:44 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: deport
LOL
29 posted on 07/14/2003 9:47:08 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Joseph Wilson is a fraud and the whole world needs to know it)
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To: MJY1288
WOW! That is some news! Thanks for highlighting!
30 posted on 07/14/2003 9:47:20 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: All
Good discovery! I have a bunch more info about this whole controversy on my blog at http://www.tinyvital.com/blog/.

The demos are digging themselves into a hole on this.

And folks should ask: WHO forged the document and WHY?

See the blog....
31 posted on 07/14/2003 9:47:37 PM PDT by tornadochaser (blogger for Useful Fools http://www.tinyvital.com/blog/)
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To: Mo1
Thanks for posting -- I don't remember seeing that. I have to be truthful -- I hadn't even heard of Niger until all of this.
32 posted on 07/14/2003 9:48:14 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: tornadochaser
Thanks for posting that! Will bookmark to read tomorrow. We need to get all of this in one place!
33 posted on 07/14/2003 9:49:29 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: tornadochaser
BTW -- I love your poster on your site! Noticed your screen name -- Live in Norman, home of the National Storms Prediction Center!
34 posted on 07/14/2003 9:51:13 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: ladyinred
BTTT
35 posted on 07/14/2003 9:53:50 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: PhiKapMom
Here is a link to Robert Novak's article today that talks of Joseph Wilson's Wife Valerie Plame who is an operative in the CIA

Joseph Wilson

36 posted on 07/14/2003 9:58:10 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Joseph Wilson is a fraud and the whole world needs to know it)
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To: PhiKapMom
Here is a snip

"Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me Wilson's wife suggested sending him to Niger to investigate the Italian report. The CIA says its counter-proliferation officials selected Wilson and asked his wife to contact him. "I will not answer any question about my wife," Wilson told me."

37 posted on 07/14/2003 9:59:28 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Joseph Wilson is a fraud and the whole world needs to know it)
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To: MJY1288
WOW again! Thanks for the link! She was a CIA operative on WMD's and he gives intereviews? Wonder if she is the leak from the CIA to the media? The media keeps talking about CIA anonymous sources.
38 posted on 07/14/2003 10:03:16 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: PhiKapMom
If you read the response by the CIA on Wilson's findings, it's quite understandable why his report never made it anywhere, mush less the office of the Presidency.

IMHO his wife sent him on a vacation with a post it note that read "BTW honey, while you're there... would you mind looking into illegal Uranium sales to Iraq"

39 posted on 07/14/2003 10:07:46 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Joseph Wilson is a fraud and the whole world needs to know it)
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To: PhiKapMom
Is Mrs. Joseph Wilson Deep Throat?
40 posted on 07/14/2003 10:07:46 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
Nope, he might be Terrance J. Wilkinson though
41 posted on 07/14/2003 10:08:49 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Joseph Wilson is a fraud and the whole world needs to know it)
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To: PhiKapMom
This is why I have been saying for days that the real scandal is Wilson and his wife
42 posted on 07/14/2003 10:09:57 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Joseph Wilson is a fraud and the whole world needs to know it)
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To: MJY1288
Wilson said he didn't think "the transaction had taken place"--but no one said any transaction had taken place.

Only that Iraq had tried to buy uranium from Niger as it had in the past.

Niger is a former French colony and a French company runs the mines. The French interfered with MI6's giving intel to CIA.


43 posted on 07/14/2003 10:11:36 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: MJY1288
I believe you are right about Wilson and his wife. Now I am really wondering about the leaks from CIA! This could prove very interesting!

Great find!
44 posted on 07/14/2003 10:12:31 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: MJY1288

File photo of Unnamed Source Terrance J. Wilkinson, former CIA analyst.

45 posted on 07/14/2003 10:14:22 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: MJY1288
If Doug Thompson hadn't taken vacation, we might want to ask him if Wilson = Wilkinson!
46 posted on 07/14/2003 10:14:57 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: PhilDragoo
President Bush's statement said "Sought" not purchased, but these things are ignored by the press.

I remember seeing Joseph Wilson on the Phil Donahue show and he acted no different than Terry McAulliffe with his attacks on President Bush, he is hardly a nuetral figure. This guy Wilson must be exposed, it will bring down the RATS and this smear campaign

47 posted on 07/14/2003 10:15:05 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Joseph Wilson is a fraud and the whole world needs to know it)
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To: PhilDragoo
LOL
48 posted on 07/14/2003 10:16:26 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Joseph Wilson is a fraud and the whole world needs to know it)
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To: PhiKapMom
LOL, Doug Thompson wouldn't know, there is no doubt in my mind that Wilkinson never existed and was just something Doug thought he could get away with.
49 posted on 07/14/2003 10:19:14 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Joseph Wilson is a fraud and the whole world needs to know it)
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To: MJY1288
Excerpt from NRO National Review Online Clifford May Scandal! Bush’s enemies aren't telling the truth about what he said.:

Wilson says he spent eight days in Niger "drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people" — hardly what a competent spy, detective, or even reporter would call an in-depth investigation. Nevertheless, let's give Wilson the benefit of the doubt and stipulate that he was correct when he reported back to the CIA that he believed it was "highly doubtful that any such transaction ever took place. "

But, again, because it was "doubtful" that Saddam actually acquired yellowcake from Niger, it does not follow that he never sought it there or elsewhere in Africa, which is all the president suggested based on what the British said — and still say.

And how does Wilson leap from there to the conclusion that Vice President Cheney and his boss "twisted" intelligence to "exaggerate the Iraqi threat"? Wilson hasn't the foggiest idea what other intelligence the president and vice president had access to.

It also would have been useful for the New York Times and others seeking Wilson's words of wisdom to have provided a little background on him. For example:

He was an outspoken opponent of U.S. military intervention in Iraq.

He's an "adjunct scholar" at the Middle East Institute — which advocates for Saudi interests. The March 1, 2002 issue of the Saudi government-weekly Ain-Al Yaqeen lists the MEI as an "Islamic research institutes supported by the Kingdom."

He's a vehement opponent of the Bush administration which, he wrote in the March 3, 2003 edition of the left-wing Nation magazine, has "imperial ambitions." Under President Bush, he added, the world worries that "America has entered one of it periods of historical madness."

He also wrote that "neoconservatives" have "a stranglehold on the foreign policy of the Republican Party." He said that "the new imperialists will not rest until governments that ape our world view are implanted throughout the region, a breathtakingly ambitious undertaking, smacking of hubris in the extreme."

He was recently the keynote speaker for the Education for Peace in Iraq Center, a far-left group that opposed not only the U.S. military intervention in Iraq but also the sanctions — and even the no-fly zones that protected hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Kurds and Shias from being slaughtered by Saddam.

And consider this: Prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Wilson did believe that Saddam had biological weapons of mass destruction. But he raised that possibility only to argue against toppling Saddam, warning ABC's Dave Marash that if American troops were sent into Iraq, Saddam might "use a biological weapon in a battle that we might have. For example, if we're taking Baghdad or we're trying to take, in ground-to-ground, hand-to-hand combat." He added that Saddam also might attempt to take revenge by unleashing "some sort of a biological assault on an American city, not unlike the anthrax, attacks that we had last year."

In other words, Wilson is no disinterested career diplomat — he's a pro-Saudi, leftist partisan with an ax to grind. And too many in the media are helping him and allies grind it.

— Clifford D. May, a former New York Times foreign correspondent, is president of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, a policy institute focusing on terrorism.

50 posted on 07/14/2003 10:26:46 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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