Hong Kong’s Democracy At A Cross Road

Self | July 15, 2003 | FreepForever

[ken5050]

I don't really think they hold up of a reunion with Taiwan, at least not until mainland China becomes a democracy..THEN we'll have a reunification....the little fish swallows the biug one, kind of thing....

[ken5050]

don't FEAR a crackdown, my friend, but be WARY of one...there's a difference...a big difference....Godspeed to you and all your compadres....

[tallhappy]

Back to your ChiCom propagandist mode I see.

[The Pheonix]

I am trying (for what's its worth) to advise my Hong Kong friends ( I don't want to see another tradegy)

You are also most welcome to give your opinions

I also wish that the Chicoms Govt would just disappear, or evolve into a Govt that the Whole World (including Taiwan) would be happy with

I also wish you and all my Taiwanese brothers the very best of luck. May the Good Lord grant you your wish for your Nation

[tallhappy]

Not even President Hu JinTao knows what to do with Tung. Saving Tung (Jiang Zemin's man) would cost him some political points. Dumping Tung would show Beijing's weakness. He's cornered.

No. This, sadly, is a trivial issue.

Hong Kong is not all that important anymore.

Demonstrations will slowly wane, especially as summer ends.

Tung will twist in the wind. Hong Kong marginalized.

[FreepForever]

Re: your #20. Thanks! It is just Chinese reading Chinese minds.

No I haven't read Sun Tze. But what we are doing is simply getting the most with the least cost. A win-win situation for both.

[FreepForever]

Sigh.........., so what is your suggestion?

[tallhappy]

My suggestion? Good question. Keep the focus and belief in liberty is first and foremost.

I have a lot of ideas, but they wouldn't happen, for various reasons.

One key is to understand your side is the overwhelming majority. Most important immediately is not letting 23 pass.

It would immediately make you all criminals for one.

My comment above was to let you know what I think Beijing's strategy will be. They certainly will not send in troops and shoot.

Focus on HK supposed autonomy. Get rid of Beijing puppets in the legislature. Get the open vote asap. Don't rely on Beijing.

[The Pheonix]

You have just given good, sound advice to the people of HK

[FreepForever]

Article 23 is already shelved indefinitely. We will keep pressuring the legislators to block the bill if Tung tries to revive it. Pro-Beijing legislators will be thrown out of the Council in next year's election. To achieve the rest? Some believe we have to remove Tung first, so don't.

Is that liberty? Not necessarily, Hong Kong is still under China rule. This we cannot change.

[TheKost]

<< We are not worry about a crackdown. All demonstration are non violent and peaceful >>

Passive resistance is most effective against a government that has to answer to its voters. Since mainland China doesn’t have to be accountable to any voters anything is possible. What you have going for you is a relatively free press that can broadcast footage of any crackdown to the west. I suspect the CHICOM’s are too afraid of losing all the money that has been coming in from the west (which they may lose if there is a big enough outcry from the west) to have a military crackdown. I suspect they will continue to try and take away your rights by trying to pass more laws like Article 23.

Keep up the good work.

[FreepForever]

Typo: Some believe we have to remove Tung first, some don't.

[tallhappy]

Article 23 is already shelved indefinitely

No it is not.

A month or six at most.

[FreepForever]

Don't worry, we have a lot of room to play with. Say, for example:
1) Calling all Bank of China credit card users to cut their cards and withdraw their accounts.
2) Boycott all Chinese shops (including Beijing backers')
3) Calling all citizen to withold their government payment checks (tax, housing rental, loan repayment, fine, etc.)
4) Go-slow driving of all public vehicles.
5) Transportation strikes, etc.

We can escalate one notch at a time if necessary.

[FreepForever]

Re your #33. Where did you get that? Then, legislators will block it.

[tallhappy]

Then, legislators will block it.

There aren't enough. Tien's group is not against it.

[FreepForever]

There aren't enough. Tien's group is not against it.

Where did you get that?

[The Pheonix]

Seeing how Hu and Wen have been trying to project a new image of the PRC to the world,

there is a SLIM., and I mean, slim chance that they may amend Article 23 and re-present it in a more acceptable form to the people of HK

More wishful thinking, on our part ?

[FreepForever]

No, that's not your wishful thinking. Actually Tung had striked out the 3 most controversial clauses in the bill, but the people are not satisfied and want the bill to be reintroduced in White Draft for further public consultation. Meanwhile, Beijing has publicly announced that they have no timetable for the bill and its content.

[The Pheonix]

RE my post #38

The clue to my logic is what Tung Chee Hua said (to the media), in immediate response to the Peaceful demo by 5000,000 HK people. He said ," this means that we have to start listening more carefully to what the people of HK are saying"

Hope I'm right, in my deduction.....