Exactly what is the gay 'agenda' and 'lifestyle'?

Amarillo Globe News ^ | July 15, 2003 | Greg Sagan

[gcruse]

I'm with David Horsley. If there is such a thing as a "gay agenda" I must be one of its supporters by default. I've never been "recruited" for this cause; never received any political material describing the agenda, the forces opposed to it, or how it will prevail in the law and the institutions of America; and I've never attended any meetings suggesting my heterosexual predilection is a target for gay subversion. But there are people out there with whom I disagree who tell me that gays of both genders are promoting this "agenda," and the demand that gays be given equal treatment under the law is apparently the first step on a path that will soon have me dating Bruce Willis.

I am not persuaded.

There's a lot of nonsense surrounding the phenomenon of homosexuality.

There's the idea that homosexuals "recruit" heterosexuals. This is absurd because you can't change someone else's sexual orientation. If you don't believe that, try changing your own. If you can't do it to yourself, what chance does anyone else have to do it to you? My sexual orientation is not up for grabs, and I defy anyone to sweet-talk me into sleeping with men.

There's the idea that gays corrupt the young. Some may, but as science repeatedly points out, most episodes of sexual abuse involving adults and children are perpetrated by heterosexuals. I suspect someday we will see a movement to outlaw heterosexuality because of all the perversions it spawns, but for now I would rather rest my weight on the idea that acts of sexual perversion are separate and distinct from sexual orientation. That way we can sweep up offenders of both persuasions.

And there's the idea that gays "choose" the "gay lifestyle" - whatever that is. As I've pointed out before on this page, if anyone can "choose" to be gay, so can you. And if you can choose to be gay, your right of choice should be protected as long as you meet the new criteria - consenting adults, privacy of the bedroom.

But the only element of "lifestyle" common to all gays is that they prefer sex with people of their own gender. Beyond that you can find gays who are committed and gays who sleep around, just like us. You can find gays who drink wine and gays who drink beer, just like us. You can find gays who are Republicans and gays who are Democrats, just like us.

The only "agenda" gays hold that I'm aware of is to correct mistreatment under the law, and since the gays doing this are American citizens who work, pay taxes and vote, there is no reason to deny them this much of what they want. Gays should be able to form lifelong committed relationships, participate as full partners in medical decisions of their mates, pass on property to survivors as easily as the rest of us can.

And, yes, they should be able to raise children as a family unit.

This is the idea that troubles some people to distraction - what about the children? Won't kids who grow up in a homosexual-parent family turn out gay? Well, do all children who grow up in heterosexual-parent families turn out straight? Of course not. I had three children by my first wife. Two are heterosexual, one is gay. So that argument doesn't hold water.

What is important to children in any family is the quality of the relationship between the parents and between parents and children. Two heterosexual parents can make the lives of their children a living hell. Two homosexual parents can make the lives of their children an example of trust, commitment, integrity, and love.

We all ought to seek and savor the second kind of relationship, not reject one of them out of hand because we don't like the pairing.

But giving gays some minimal protection under the law is an essential first step to understanding their relationships, because nothing distorts research like criminalizing the behavior to be studied.

Besides, when gays are denied fundamental protection under the law, we are stating to the whole world that justice in America depends on your choice of sleeping partners. This is an insupportable premise for public policy.

For those who are rabidly opposed to homosexuality, I say by all means stay heterosexual. Just don't expect to see your zeal elevated to legal prohibition. Gays can be good Americans, too, and discriminating against good Americans with the law has yet to prove itself a viable long-term strategy.

[Paradox]

There's the idea that homosexuals "recruit" heterosexuals. This is absurd because you can't change someone else's sexual orientation. If you don't believe that, try changing your own. If you can't do it to yourself, what chance does anyone else have to do it to you? My sexual orientation is not up for grabs, and I defy anyone to sweet-talk me into sleeping with men.

This statement here shows the ignorance of the author. The truth is, nobody really knows exactly how sexual preference works. This is just the icing on the heap of garbage that is the rest of the article.

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[45Auto]

I don't care what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes; I have two simple points about this: 1)don't stick it in my face, and 2) don't ask me to pay for the consequences. This doesn't mean I condone any sort of perversion. I find it rather juvenile to politicize one's sexuality.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

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[laweeks]

This guy's been watching too much Oprah. Homosexuality is a chracter and behavior disorder. Recruiting works especially on teens in their early years when they're most vulnerable. Their sexual perversions shorten their lifespans incredibly: 41 avg lifespan without AIDS, 39 average lifespan with AIDS. If that's not enough to worry about, there's numerous other life-threateners accompanying their promiscuous lifestyle (deathstyle). To promote or enocourage even for a minute this way of living is just plain wrong. The social engineers will gladly pull a cigarette out of your mouth and humiliate you if they can, but the homosexual deathstyle brings no rebuke. Incredible.

[ClearCase_guy]

This is absurd because you can't change someone else's sexual orientation.

No need for evidence. No need for any discussion. It's just a fact. Let's move on. Don't mention Anne Heche or any of the other many homosexuals who have been cured.

as science repeatedly points out, most episodes of sexual abuse involving adults and children are perpetrated by heterosexuals.

Does science point that out? What does that little phrase mean? I think any good statistical study would show that most sex abuse is committed by people with XY chromosomes, on people who also have XY chromosomes. Think recent Catholic Church scandals. Now, if you want to define these incidents as heterosexual, please go ahead. It won't hurt your credibility. Really.

[nmh]

I stopped reading here:

"This is absurd because you can't change someone else's sexual orientation. "

Being "gay" is a choice. No one is born that way and the more perverted people you can recruit the merrier for the perverted. Why do you think they want in so badly to the Boy Scouts? Recruit em when their young and innocent. Lesbians are already in the Girl Scouts.

The truth is you CAN change this perverted homosexual orientation. This scares the hell out of militant gays. There's a wonderful organization called Exodus International that CHANGES their mindset and has them leading normal heterosexual lives, complete with families.

Gays hate the organization because it corrects the lie that you can't change. If we had no sexual abuse, molestation or people lacking those affirming their sexual identity we wouldn't have any homosexuals. THIS is what causes one to take the perverted homo lifestyle and WHY they act out on it when they are typically adolescents. Some supress it but eventually with society appearing to embrace it more they step out of the closet sooner.

It's ALL about directing their affection to same sex because they were abused by that gender and desperately seeking affection they didn't receive or didn't receive the support they needed when becoming a young male or female.

Take Cher Bono's daughter, Chastity ... have you seen a more self absorbed woman? In her biography she openly admits she had NO time for her daughter. Well it shows. Her daughter is a lesbian. As for those who wonder about the sexually molested/abused and why they seek more from the same sex ... well WHY do hetersoexuals seek out the SAME abuse they've seen their parents inflict on one another? Yet, as wrong as abuse is, people will seek it out because they are used to it and oddly enough, feel comfortable with it. It's strange but the weak need help to conquer that low self esteem and worth. It is precisely what the organization Exodus International helps them with.

Exodus International also helps them deal with their spiritual void. Christ will enter the heart of ANYONE who is seeking His help. When He sees someone earnestly trying to change their life in accordance with His teachings He'll be there. It doesn't matter if your problem is homosexuality, alcholism, stealing ... etc.. He is there for ALL who seek Him.

Gcruse, I doubt that you'll agree with my answer but it is the truth!

[Bigg Red]

You have to understand the poster's agenda.

[gcruse]

So you're saying you can be talked out of your sexual orientation?

[nmh]

That's just the tip of the iceberg. Ever hear what they do with gerbals, glass bottles, affixiation, leather, chanins, whips and other mechanical devices? Don't tell me ... . It's all about sadism for all the wrong reasons. "Gays" are angry people who are terribly troubled. I'm always amused that they even try to deceive themselves with the "gay" label since they are anything but that.

[ItsOurTimeNow]

great post, nmh. I agree 100%.

The idea that it's genetic is nothing more than a cop-out by the pro-gay lobby.

Homosexuality is a fetish. Like bondage and S&M. If an impressionable mind is surrounded by that type of environment for a long enough amount of time...it'll wear off on them.

We must resist the indoctrination at all costs.

[Conspiracy Guy]

You talking about the Author or the Poster? The author is a guilty semi-straight or home team boy. The Poster is another story I believe.

[gcruse]

Gcruse, I doubt that you'll agree with my answer but it is the truth!

No, I did the same thing you did to the author.  I stopped reading
after the first sentence, then dropped to conclusion.  If you think
you can be talked out of your sexuality, that is your business.

[ClearCase_guy]

I consider homosexuals to be mentally ill.

It's a mental illness that is curable, so yes, homosexuals can be talked out of their sexual orientation.

Further, all people are born heterosexual. But some can be traumatized or otherwise damaged so that they become mentally ill -- which manifests itself as homosexuality. So, yes, these heterosexuals can be talked out of their sexual orientation.

[Cicero]

This man is an ignorant fool. Or rather he's a lying fool, who wants to say the correct thing to please the correct people and no doubt his boss even though he probably knows it isn't true.

In addition to what everyone else has said, statistics reveal that a disproportionate number of pederasts are homosexual. Homosexuals are not the only child abusers, but they are many times more likely to be guilty of child abuse.

[Paradox]

This is absurd because you can't change someone else's sexual orientation.

I am saying that it may be possible to change a persons orientation, and that is where I differ with the author. Both sides probably have it wrong, in that their might indeed be individuals who are born "gay" or somehow otherwise transgendered, and then there are those who simply "Get into" the lifestyle, for whatever reason (ie. Prison). A liberal psychologist tells me that they really dont know all the answers yet, so making statements to fact as the author did makes him dead wrong. Ergo, the rest of the article was trash.

[nmh]

Gcruse, are you gay? If so, please go visit the Exodus International site. Gay people need healing and love - but the right kind of love. Gays are tormented souls that need healing. When this is received their self esteem sky rockets and the genuine, healthy caring of others sees them through to a normal lifestyle where they can truly blossom. Read some of the testimonials. If you aren't gay, then refer someone you know who is to them. I swear to you, they help the person and treat the person with the respect and dignity that they should have had to begin with. Take care, gcruse.