Exactly what is the gay 'agenda' and 'lifestyle'?

Amarillo Globe News ^ | July 15, 2003 | Greg Sagan

[Dr Warmoose]

Why won't the gay issue just die on FreeRepublic? I'll never understand the obsession.

Some people are just bound and determined to normalize deviancy, and the constant drum beat rationalizing perversion is the most effective tool.

Do you really think that S&M Bondage Parade down Main Street will change people's minds to accept it?

[gcruse]

however just because it is a lifestyle choice doesn't mean it is the RIGHT one

As to choosing our lifestyles...

The Georgia Supreme Court noted:

The individual's right to freely exercise his or her liberty is not dependent upon whether the majority believes such exercise to be moral, dishonorable, or wrong. Simply because something is beyond the pale of "majoritarian morality" does not place it beyond the scope of constitutional protection. To allow the moral indignation of a majority (or, even worse, a loud and/or radical minority) to justify criminalizing private consensual conduct would be a strike against freedoms paid for and preserved by our forefathers.

[ClearCase_guy]

So all those altar boys are gay now?

Do all gunshot victims die from the wound? Sometimes folks get lucky. Sometimes folks spend the rest of their lives suffering from an incident.

It's best not to think of gunshots as "normal" -- just because not everyone dies from them.
It's best not to defend homosexuals with the question "So all those altar boys are gay now?"

[gcruse]

Do you really think that S&M Bondage Parade down
 Main Street will change people's minds to accept it?

No.  And neither will a homosexual recruiting drive
change heteros into homos for the exact same reasons.

[LanPB01]

I think the S&M Bondage Parade will do nothing more than let a few people show what total asses they are. However, I'm not going to let a few nuts lead me to slander every homo in the world. I just don't care about them, and I don't see why so many people do.

[r9etb]

Does that mean adultery and every other form of sexual perversion is OK within those denominations?

You know it's not. It's just that none of those other perversions has its own well-funded advocacy group -- not to mention the time and inclination to actually work their way into the church power structures.

There is "Dignity" in the homosexual lifestyle that hangs out in public restrooms and parks looking for anonymous sex?

Hey, they picked the name, not me. It's just window dressing, of course.

[gcruse]

It's best not to defend homosexuals with the question "So all those altar boys are gay now?"

Since they don't seem to be, your statement that people
can be 'talked' out of their sexuality appears to need work.

[ElkGroveDan]

I would even be willing to go so far as to say there might be a genetic component to homsexuality in the same way there appears to be a genetic component ot alcoholism.

But lets be perfectly clear, not all people prone to alcoholism became alcoholics. Many people who do become alcoholics overcome the destructive lifestyle of alcoholism and spend their lives fighting those urges in order to live a normal life.

At the same time many people who are NOT alcoholic nevertheless descend into alife of destructive alcohol consumption.

A lot of people who fall into lives of alcoholism are brought into that lifestyle by their peers (dare I say recruited?), especially when they are young.

All of the above applies to gays if there is such a genetic predisposition to that kind of perverse and destructive behavior. Nothing says they HAVE TO succumb to that unhealthy lifestyle however. They can overcome it and return to leading normal and healthy lives, fighting off the destructive urges with the help of family, friends, and most importantly Faith.

[Clint N. Suhks]

the first step on a path that will soon have me dating Bruce Willis. I am not persuaded.

Not been to prison eh?

[gcruse]

Do you think you'd get to 'like it' in prison?

[r9etb]

Why won't the gay issue just die on FreeRepublic? I'll never understand the obsession.

Actually, it's a very good indicator for other sorts of issues. Look at all that has to be attacked and conquered just to allow homosexuals an opportunity to demand that we accept them. Just off the top of my head:

1. Sexual taboos
2. Common-sense public health measures
3. Traditional understandings of marriage
4. The legal definition of marriage
5. Traditional understandings of the family (i.e., male father, female mother, kids)
6. Being put at the head of the line for adoptions
7. The ability of private organizations to choose the qualifications of their leaders (e.g., the BSA)
8. The clear statements of Holy Scripture (whether you agree with them or not)

It's worth noting that these institutions and traditions form part of the bedrock of our society. Their destruction in the name of the gay agenda resonates far beyond the normalization of buggery.

[ClearCase_guy]

You seem to be postulating that, in order for the statement "people's sexual identity can be changed" to be True, it must also be true that all molested altar boys become gay as a result of the molestation.

I'm saying that some molested altar boys become gay as a result of the molestation. And I claim that even a single instance of this is sufficient proof that people's sexual identity can be changed.

[Dr Warmoose]

It's just that none of those other perversions has its own well-funded advocacy group -- not to mention the time and inclination to actually work their way into the church power structures.

That comment is what I was looking for. Now the big question is, why aren't adulterers, who outnumber the homosexuals, "working their way into the church power structures."? Could it be that just being confused about one's sexual function does not define homosexuality? Or is Paul right in Romans 1?

[longtermmemmory]

Is this a serious journalist? This whole piece is nothing but homosexual propaganda and hitler style lies. Repeat the big lie to hope pepole believe the small lies. This is proof of the homosexuls agenda.

This deviant better be kept away from children. BTW in criminal court, most of the molesters ARE homosexuals. They engange in a homosexual behavior.

Homosexuals have the same rights as everyone, homosexuals just want SPECIAL rights to give establish their belief about their behavior as a government religion.

[gcruse]

And I claim that even a single instance of this
is sufficient proof that people's sexual identity can be changed.

Would you say maybe 5% of the altar boys became gay?
If so, that is similar to the percentage of the population that
is already gay.  They weren't changed.

[Sloth]

So you're saying you can be talked out of your sexual orientation?

Homosexuality is a chosen behavior, as is heterosexuality. Some people can be convinced to change their behavior, some can't. Some people can be convinced to smoke crack, some can't. I can't be talked into smoking crack... that doesn't make it any less a choice on my part.

[r9etb]

Do you think you'd get to 'like it' in prison?

For a real eye-opener, I recommend C.S. Lewis' Surprised By Joy. He discusses quite frankly the widespread presence of pederasty among turn-of-the-century English schoolboys.

His assessment was surprisingly mild, in the sense that he was neither attracted to, nor involved in it, and so preferred not to stand in judgement of it. His take on it was that the guys on the "dealing" end would most likely have taken girls if they could, but that youthful boys ("tarts") were better than nothing.

The prison thing sounds much the same.

[longtermmemmory]

You must not get out much, all the homosexuals I have seen in the work force are seldom happy and are always complaining.

[gcruse]

This is proof of the homosexuls agenda.

Are you saying the fact that someone says
there is no agenda proves that there is?
Catch-22 comes to mind, if so.