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Utter Frustration | 7/15/03 | self

Posted on 07/15/2003 3:46:41 PM PDT by pabianice

Well, it's finally happened. Spam email now outnumbers my real email, on both my personal and business email accounts. I use both Giant Spam Blocker and Norton Firewall/Spam Blocker. Nothing seems to work any longer. Spam is apparently now sent to every conceivable email address using computer random address generators. ISPs either cannot or will not take steps to solve this problem. I just read that at least $ 10 billion a year is now lost by US businesses because of spam email.

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1 posted on 07/15/2003 3:46:41 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice
I get 50 - 100 spams emails a day. If I spend 5 minutes day deleting them I'd be surprised. OTOH, I do get email from industry sources, unsolicited, that I find useful in my business.

For me, this far outweighs the small amount of time I spend liquidating spam.
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3 posted on 07/15/2003 3:52:50 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: pabianice
The first thing I did was blackhole the entirety of Asia (Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan and so on). That cut the spam load down by around 80%.

Then I blackholed dial-up pools where I found them. (Most ISPs now use centralized mail servers, so that won't keep joe.user@bigisp.com from e-mailing you). That cut spam down by an additional 10%.

On occasion I supplement my blackhole list with data from the Spam Prevention Early Warning System (SPEWS).

Then I implemented a whitelist program called the Tagged Message Delivery Agent so that new folks who write me out of the blue actually have to respond to my TMDA system before I'll see their e-mail. Folks (and e-mail lists) that I want mail from are already configured in my "white list" so their mail gets through without the confirmation challenge.

Just with these four simple solutions, I've managed to knock spam from hundreds of messages a day to perhaps 5 a week. A vast improvement.

-Jay

4 posted on 07/15/2003 3:55:41 PM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (Threaten me? That's life. Threaten my loved ones? That's death.)
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To: pabianice
There are many good spam filtering apps. I use a filtering *service* that seems to have a little more intelligent algorithm than most: http://www.postini.com

I've been very pleased with this outfit. Where I was getting maybe a hundred spams a day, now I might only get one or two. Occasional false positives, but pretty rare and now I have a pretty good whitelist.
5 posted on 07/15/2003 4:00:28 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: pabianice
Spybot, my FRiend. Zone-Alarm,too.
6 posted on 07/15/2003 4:01:22 PM PDT by annyokie (Admin Moderator has got it in for me.)
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To: pabianice
I highly recommend a subscription product called SpamNet, from a company called Cloudmark. I've been using it since it was in early beta testing, and I gladly signed up to pay for it once it reached final release. It costs a couple of bucks a month, but it's worth it. It zaps 95% of the spam I get. Without it, I get somewhere between 50-100 pieces of spam a day. With it, one or two junk e-mails make it through. I've only had it misfile worthwhile stuff as spam a few times, and once it learned that I wanted those e-mails, they were not misfiled again.

www.spamnet.com or www.cloudmark.com
7 posted on 07/15/2003 4:01:40 PM PDT by LouD (Line, Tag, Multipurpose - One (1) each)
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To: pabianice
My ISP has a filter that prevents spam, and that is the only way to go for me; it is a local ISP and a good one. I had Qwest for a couple of years, but inudated with spam, and while they said there was nothing they could do, offered to sell me anti-spam software; we parted company immediately.

There are some good articles on spam in the new (Aug) issue of PC World, and I think you can read online at pcworld.com.

8 posted on 07/15/2003 4:04:35 PM PDT by katze (q)
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To: pabianice
Not SPAM, but I get the same pop-up all the time...just one...it's an advertisement to stop pop-ups.....grrrr!
10 posted on 07/15/2003 4:06:19 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: pabianice
I use spam assassin to protect my domain at work.

For home: 1. never post your email address to usenet news or on your web site. 2. only give your email address to friends and family 3. ask that if anyone sends mail to you and other recipients, that you be blind-copied 4. set up a yahoo address (free) and use it for all web registrations.
11 posted on 07/15/2003 4:07:26 PM PDT by Salo
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To: pabianice
I believe vigilante action is needed. Identify, track down and knee cap the five worse spammers once a year.
12 posted on 07/15/2003 4:07:53 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: pabianice
I've noticed since the do-not-call list started my spam has tripled. I pre-filter via my ISP's web interfaces for faster deletion.
13 posted on 07/15/2003 4:13:39 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: pabianice; All
The best thing is to ask your ISP to let you change the name you use for your email account. I did and it works
14 posted on 07/15/2003 4:14:57 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: katze
My ISP has a filter that prevents spam, and that is the only way to go for me; it is a local ISP and a good one. I had Qwest for a couple of years, but inudated with spam, and while they said there was nothing they could do, offered to sell me anti-spam software; we parted company immediately.

Hahaha! Qwest, that spam nest. They tried telespamming me one night and got an earful. Thought I might want them as a phone company.

15 posted on 07/15/2003 4:16:50 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
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To: inthered
What is "blackhole"-ing and how do you do it?

You either sign up with a realtime blackhole service and configure your mail system to consult their service when accepting mail, or you block at the border router every offending netblock.

See Google for more examples.

-Jay

17 posted on 07/15/2003 4:17:39 PM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (Threaten me? That's life. Threaten my loved ones? That's death.)
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To: pabianice
What I've always wondered is if the people who send SPAM actually reel in any suckers. Do that many people like porn and phony Viagra?

Fortunately I receive only about 3 SPAM emails per day so it's not difficult to delete. One of my sisters uses something called MAILWASHER that she says works wonderfully.

18 posted on 07/15/2003 4:19:28 PM PDT by arasina (I'm not sure if I really care for indecisive people. Maybe I do; maybe not.)
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To: pabianice
I noticed recently on a new website just put up by MIT that Verizon was the biggest contributor to Ted Kennedy’s campaign fund. Verizon has done nothing on the server side that I can see to stop spam. I would be happy to see a class action lawsuit to bring Verizon to it’s knees and serve the consumer rather than paying off the fat socialist pig from Massachusetts. If Verizon was put out of business so much the better to show the rest of the ISP’s that spam is wasting a lot of our precious time.
19 posted on 07/15/2003 4:23:03 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: arasina
Given how much it costs to send spam they don't need "that many" people. The figures I've seen bandied about say break even is somewhere between 1 (sale) in a million (spams sent) and 1 in 10 million. Pretty easy to be profitable then.
20 posted on 07/15/2003 4:23:14 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: arasina
They feel a .1 percent response rate is a good one. Those spamming for Viagra get half of the hefty fee for the drug, so this is easy money for those folks.

None the less, I am very very tired of these mailings. And something must be done to get rid of this curse of a clutter that is distroying my use of E mail in general.

21 posted on 07/15/2003 4:27:44 PM PDT by bicycle thug
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To: pabianice
I use outlook express and use the "block sender" function. Once I get a spam e mail, I block the address ASAP.

I get maybe 2 spams a week, if that. I never put my e mail address in a website where it says "Do you want to send this page to a friend, put their e mails here" and I don't allow my friends to do that either, they can just send the page using outlook express.

I also use 3rd party e mails namely: Yahoo.com and excite.com NO spam at all. I've had Excite.com for about 5 yrs. now and nothing gets through them, when I used hotmail maybe about 50 spams a day, hotmail.com stinks and I've refused to use it. Seems everyone is lured to hotmail, why? I do not know.
22 posted on 07/15/2003 4:28:31 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight and gave an innate predisposition for self-preservation and protection)
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To: pabianice
I'm glad you posted this. Maybe I could "threadjack" this for a moment and tap the brainpower around here about a particularly nasty "spam"-like issue I have been grappling with.

I'm a relatively-idiotic computer novice. I recently have acquired a cable modem and a new computer. Often times when I log on to my computer, before I even open a browser, I will have a grey "pop up" window inviting me to visit some offensive webcam or another.

Fortunately, my children cannot read, yet. But I'm very desperate to try any solution you folks might have to offer.

thanks.
23 posted on 07/15/2003 4:30:37 PM PDT by el_chupacabra (AMDG)
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To: LouD
I second your praise of Cloudmark's product. Simply awesome. There are 2 downsides, however:

1. Currently only works with Outlook (not even Outlook Express as of this writing, although they're working on it)
2. Still downloads the spam (and consumes your bandwidth) before dropping the spam in a special spam filter. If you use dial-up, this could be leave you less than satisfied.

The best spam defense has to be a combination of efforts. Use Cloudmark, use an ISP that filters some of the worst spam for you (Earthlink subscribers can use Brightmail's filtering as a service, for instance), use hotmail or yahoo accounts when required to supply an e-mail address with online ordering, newsgroups, etc.

24 posted on 07/15/2003 4:33:31 PM PDT by NYS_Eric
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To: el_chupacabra
Turn off Windows messaging, it's in Control Panel specific instructions depend on the version of Windows, Windows help should actually direct you to it with screen shots and maybe even hotlinks. Or you can hope I remember how to do it when I get home.
25 posted on 07/15/2003 4:34:12 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: pabianice
SPAM only now out numbers you regular email. SPAM to my mail account is running 20 to 1 and I have four "dead" accounts, so loaded up with spam they are unusable.
26 posted on 07/15/2003 4:35:15 PM PDT by gogov
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To: el_chupacabra
SAProxy works well for me.. (Google it.) Works with most email clients. My incomming spam was up to 20+ per day.. Since I installed SAProxy, its down to 2 or 3 per week if that. (I have no stake in the program, I'm just amazed at how well it works..)

Oh and it only works for Pop3 servers.
27 posted on 07/15/2003 4:35:16 PM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (...and pecked by the dove...)
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To: el_chupacabra; discostu
As discostu said, you've entered the brave new world of instant message spam. Turn the messaging off. (How you do it depends on your version of Windows.)
28 posted on 07/15/2003 4:36:06 PM PDT by NYS_Eric
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To: pabianice
If any other Freepers have found a solution, please post here.

I have had a lot of success with murder.

29 posted on 07/15/2003 4:36:09 PM PDT by Lazamataz (POLICE TAGLINE DO NOT CROSS POLICE TAGLINE DO NOT CROSS POLICE TAGLINE DO NOT CROSS POLICE TAGLINE D)
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To: pabianice
Bump for later read
30 posted on 07/15/2003 4:36:53 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: el_chupacabra
Here, better than Windows help:
http://www.itc.virginia.edu/desktop/docs/messagepopup/

Note you'll probably also want to install firewall software, I'm not too up on that but I'm sure there's plenty of alphageeks here that can steer you right.
31 posted on 07/15/2003 4:37:10 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
That's interesting becasue I was told today by a wife of a management type that Verizon is going on strike this fall and that management is taking over and the plan is to break the strike. How could Ted K align with union busters?
32 posted on 07/15/2003 4:38:05 PM PDT by mlmr (The chickens always come home to roost........unless they are eaten by the racoons.)
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To: inthered
What is "blackhole"-ing and how do you do it?

blackholing is where you eliminate 95% of the email you don't want and also block about 5% of the email your really, really need and would like to see.

You save yourself the aggrevation of wading through junk email but have the addtional frustration of friends, business associates and customers calling you on the phone asking why you did not reply to their email.

33 posted on 07/15/2003 4:38:07 PM PDT by gogov
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To: annyokie
I run spybot and ZoneAlarm. I get one spam a month, maybe.
34 posted on 07/15/2003 4:39:11 PM PDT by Principled
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To: pabianice
HOLD MUH SPAM BUMP
35 posted on 07/15/2003 4:40:46 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: Jeff Gordon
You owe me a keyboard!
36 posted on 07/15/2003 4:40:46 PM PDT by Principled
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To: NYS_Eric; discostu
I cannot thank you enough for your help. That IM Spam was really freaking me out.
37 posted on 07/15/2003 4:44:36 PM PDT by el_chupacabra (AMDG)
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To: el_chupacabra
Get ZONEALARM, it's free. If you're on cable modem, get it now.

Get SPYBOT, it's free. It will zap anything getting past ZONEALARM.

Get ADAWARE, it's free. It will zap anything getting past ZONEALARM.

Don't wait. You'll be shocked when you see what's been put on your machine after the first time you run spybot or adaware. They'll clean you up. Do it fast, and install ZONEALARM to keep yourself clean.

38 posted on 07/15/2003 4:46:26 PM PDT by Principled
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To: pabianice
Do a google search on your email address. Get it removed whereever you find it.

Never use USENET.

39 posted on 07/15/2003 4:47:50 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: gogov
It's actually pretty safe (if you run your own mail server) to subscribe to one of the major black hole lists. Spamhaus.org runs a really good one. Don't think I've had any legit e-mails get bounced because of that subscription. Face it-- to end up on one of those spammer lists, you've really got to "earn it". The only innocents who might end up blacklisted are those who unknowingly run open relay mail servers. And it's easy to get off a black list once you prove that you've turned off the open relay.
40 posted on 07/15/2003 4:48:10 PM PDT by NYS_Eric
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To: pabianice
I get about 50 spams or more a day. I find they are using "fake mailers" to send them from Hotmail. I've written to them and they say they can't do anything when it is not their customer. I think once you get on a list it is sold to any and everyone who will buy their lists

I get a lot of porn for men. I guess because they think I'm a man. There seems to be no way to stop them. I am so sick of it. :(

41 posted on 07/15/2003 4:52:31 PM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: pabianice
Try Mozilla 1.4. I've been using it for a while now to access my personal accounts from work. I also use it as my primary mail reader at home. It has trainable junk mail filters.

At first, you let it mark suspected junk mail without taking any other action. It will miss some spam and mis-mark non-spam in the beginning. As you manually mark and unmark messages, it will learn what is and isn't spam. After it's sufficiently trained, activate the junk controls for real and it will send suspected junk to a junk folder. After 2 weeks, junk messages are automatically erased. It may still miss a spam or two, but marking the offending pieces sends them off to the junk bin.

This is certainly easier than trying to craft clever filter rules in Outlook.
43 posted on 07/15/2003 4:54:46 PM PDT by Redcloak (All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
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To: NYS_Eric
The only problem I have with Spamnet is the fact that it does not work with web-based e-mail. When I was travelling without a PC last week, and borrowed one to check e-mail, I had to sift through hundreds of pieces of spam manually, using the 10-at-a-time web interface on a slow dialup connection.
44 posted on 07/15/2003 4:55:47 PM PDT by LouD (Line, Tag, Multipurpose - One (1) each)
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To: Salo
I've discovered that if you post your resume on Monster, HotJobs, etc - whatever e-mail address you use will be clogged with spam in a couple of days.
45 posted on 07/15/2003 4:57:27 PM PDT by LouD (Line, Tag, Multipurpose - One (1) each)
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To: pabianice
I browse with the http://www.mozilla.org mozilla browser (free as in beer) The built in mail reader has bayesian filtering. That means the mail reader learns what spam looks like. As SPAM evolves, the mail reader learns the changes. What you receive as non-SPAM pretty much does not change. After a few days, all SPAM is flagged as spam, and you can delete it with a key stroke. Bayesian filtering is the way to go. Black-lists and white-lists are too intensive. I'm too cheap to pay for something a computer should be able to do for free.
46 posted on 07/15/2003 5:16:58 PM PDT by ElectricRook
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To: el_chupacabra
The free mozilla browser allows you to block pop-up windows.
47 posted on 07/15/2003 5:19:39 PM PDT by ElectricRook
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To: LouD
That doesn't shock me. Too bad they aren't all job offers, eh? :-)

I've discovered that if you post your resume on Monster, HotJobs, etc - whatever e-mail address you use will be clogged with spam in a couple of days.

48 posted on 07/15/2003 5:21:11 PM PDT by Salo
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To: pabianice
If any other Freepers have found a solution, please post here.

I can't claim to have found a "solution" to the spam problem, but I do several things as a palliative and for psychic pleasure:

1. Learn to read email headers. A necessary skill you must have in order to ...

2. Trace the source of your spam and complain to the relevant service provider.

3. Learn, live, love, subscribe to, and bookmark http://www.spews.org. They are the Jedi masters of spam prevention.

4. Don't buy anything advertised via spam.

5. If you see a name-brand product or service advertised via spam, email the legal department of that company with a full-header copy of the spam. I've had good results putting the kibosh on Asian spammers hawking pirated copies of Symantec and Microsoft software.

6. Never, NEVER reply to the spammer or put yourself on their "remove" list. Your "live" email address is like money to a spammer, and they will sell it to every other scumbag doing the same thing they are if you confirm that there is a human being at the other end of it.

49 posted on 07/15/2003 5:26:31 PM PDT by strela ("Each of us can find a maggot in our past which will happily devour our futures." Horatio Hornblower)
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To: Principled
Same here. Spam-free.
50 posted on 07/15/2003 5:31:24 PM PDT by annyokie (Admin Moderator has got it in for me.)
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