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Edward I. Koch: Dems, media are making an unforgivable mistake
Jewish World Review ^ | July 16, 2003 | Edward I. Koch

Posted on 07/16/2003 5:43:32 AM PDT by SJackson

The Democratic candidates for President -- and many in the media -- are trying to make President Bush seem like a liar. In so doing, they are making an unforgivable mistake. In his State of the Union Address to Congress on January 28, 2003, President Bush said, "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair, defending himself before the House of Commons for making a similar representation, said last week that the representation was true and comes from a different source than the one that was recently discredited by the CIA.

For me, it comes down to this: If Bush actually did lie to the American public -- intentionally stating as the truth that which he knew to be false -- then he should be impeached and removed as President. However, if Bush did not lie, and I do not believe that he did, then Americans of all political persuasions should defend our country's reputation for fair play by displaying their indignation at those who bear false witness.

They can do this by rejecting those candidates and political leaders who have perpetuated that charge and by turning to other TV and radio channels when the unfair and venomous attacks against the President are being aired.

I am a proud Democrat who generally supports Democratic candidates for office. I have never voted for anyone other than a Democrat for President.

Although I am a Democrat, I am no ideologue. In some local and state elections, I have proudly crossed party lines for candidates I thought were appreciably better. I believe that the most important issue facing the world is international terrorism, and it is my current intention to vote for George W. Bush for reelection. I do not agree with him on many domestic issues, ranging from privatizing Social Security to tax reductions favoring the wealthy. However, because of his leadership and successes in the war against international terrorism, he is my current choice in 2004.

Whether intelligence reports about Iraq were accurate or not, the President had a right to rely on information from Blair, America's most steadfast ally, and his government. If either Bush or Blair knew the reports were false and either is now engaging in a cover-up, that individual should be removed from office.

I believe Democrats and their media allies will fail to bring Bush down because taking on Saddam Hussein was the right course of action for America. National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, on Face the Nation over the weekend cleaned the clocks of her two media interrogators and critics, CBS' Bob Schieffer and Los Angeles Times Washington Bureau Chief, Doyle McManus with her brilliant responses to their questions. I quote her in part:

Bob Schieffer: The question I have for you this morning, who put it into the speech?
Dr. Rice: Well, let's start at the very beginning, as they say. And the president of the United States -- the notion that the president of the United States took the country to war because he was concerned with one sentence about whether Saddam Hussein sought uranium in Africa is purely ludicrous. And this has gotten to that proportion, that people are saying this statement is why the president took the nation to war.

The president took the nation to war to depose a bloody tyrant who had defied the world for 12 years, who was building a weapons of mass destruction program and had weapons of mass destruction, which he had used in the past, who was a threat to American interest in the Middle East and who, now that he is removed, is giving us an opportunity for Middle East that might finally be at peace and that will not create an atmosphere in which you have ideologies of hatred spawning people who slam airplanes into the World Trade Center. So we do have to put this in perspective.

The president's State of the Union said something that was accurate: This is what the British government said in its reporting. The British, I might note, still stand by that statement. It was not based, they say, on a single source, but on other sources."

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Continued....

The lines have been drawn. Let's find out the truth. Congress should hold public hearings on this issue. I also am in favor of public hearings conducted by an independent commission on the performance of the FBI, CIA and all other national security agencies pre- and post-9-11.

Let the chips fall where they may, and hold accountable those who were negligent in failing to prevent the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

1 posted on 07/16/2003 5:43:33 AM PDT by SJackson
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2 posted on 07/16/2003 5:45:48 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: PhiKapMom
Admittedly, I have only read the text posted above, but on that basis alone, I'd say the former NYC mayor has penned a rather thoughtful opinion piece!
3 posted on 07/16/2003 5:51:00 AM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: onyx
Although I am a Democrat, I am no ideologue. In some local and state elections, I have proudly crossed party lines for candidates I thought were appreciably better. I believe that the most important issue facing the world is international terrorism, and it is my current intention to vote for George W. Bush for reelection

Wow!

4 posted on 07/16/2003 6:00:29 AM PDT by ReaganRevolution
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To: SJackson
Bump for the truth and common sense.
5 posted on 07/16/2003 6:00:34 AM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: ReaganRevolution
WOW! is right!

Speaks volumes about his opinion of the 9 democrats vying his party's nomination!
6 posted on 07/16/2003 6:04:16 AM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: SJackson
For me, it comes down to this: If Bush actually did lie to the American public -- intentionally stating as the truth that which he knew to be false -- then he should be impeached and removed as President.


Please help me, I don't remember, did Koch call for the impeachment of President Clinton after lying under oath to a grand jury?

Impeachment is a political tool, not a legal tool, but I doubt outside of the hard left, will they find any support for it.

The left are beginning to remind me of that group that for years put up signs "Impeach Earl Warren". They may have been right, they may have been sincere, but all they became was a joke.

Politics is about luck and skill, and the Democrats had a long string of success based on the luck of the times, and their skill to manipulate. What they fell to understand is that the times have changed. What worked in the past is not working now, and yet they just intensify their efforts. At some point the far left will become a parody of themselves, will no longer be taken serious by the main street America.

7 posted on 07/16/2003 6:04:40 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: txzman
Although I disagree with Koch on many things, he is a very likeable man. He has a better sense of balance then most Democratic politicians.
8 posted on 07/16/2003 6:05:09 AM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
9 posted on 07/16/2003 6:05:27 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
What all the fuss over this sentence in the SOTU address tells me is that it has become apparent to the dem presidential candidates that there are WMDs in Iraq and Bush is sitting on the evidence. That is the only possible reason they would hitch their wagon to this weak point.

As Koch points out, since Blair and his government still stand behind what they said, Bush's statement is completely true even now.

10 posted on 07/16/2003 6:07:49 AM PDT by TomB
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To: onyx
GOD BLESS ED KOCH
11 posted on 07/16/2003 6:10:02 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: SJackson
HERITAGE FOUNDATION LETTER TO SEN. CARL LEVIN (D)MI
12 posted on 07/16/2003 6:16:19 AM PDT by soozla (FreeRepublic=Cootie Shot against liberalism)
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To: SJackson
Politics - as usual.

The meida (DNC) will accept nothing less than an impeachment.

The Dems will bury themselves once again, but they have to have *something* to throw at Bush over Iraq.

This whole thing is pukingly characteristic of the weak-kneed ba$tard$ who so conveniently have already forgotten 9/11.

I'm mad at Bush though - he can't even stand up for family values anymore.

The pickings are slim on both sides.

13 posted on 07/16/2003 6:16:49 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: All
Koch used to do a talk show on WABC radio. It was a lot of fun counting the number of UHs and AHs it took him to complete a simple sentence. If this were Koch spoken, here's how it would sound:

"Although I..UM..am a Democrat..AH..I am no..UM..ideologue. In..UM..some local and..UM..state elections, I have..UM..proudly crossed party..UM..lines for..AH..candidates I thought were..UM..appreciably better. I..UH..believe that..UH..the most..AH..important issue facing the..UH..world is..AH..international terrorism, and ..UH..it is my current..UH..intention to vote for..AH..George W. Bush for..UH..reelection.

14 posted on 07/16/2003 6:17:14 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: OldFriend
Here you go...
15 posted on 07/16/2003 6:18:44 AM PDT by Molly Pitcher (Is Reality Optional?)
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To: ReaganRevolution
That is truly amazing.
I wonder if he will be ostracized for daring to think independently?
16 posted on 07/16/2003 6:21:03 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Happy2BMe
How did he not stand up for family values?
17 posted on 07/16/2003 6:22:02 AM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: SJackson
Article II, Section. 4. The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

If Clinton wasn't impeached for lying to a grand jury...

18 posted on 07/16/2003 6:29:03 AM PDT by MrConfettiMan (These pretzels are making me thirsty.)
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To: SJackson
Rather than defending our country's reputation, we have the entire democrat party and their cohorts in the media doing all in their power to harm our national security in their effort to raise the dems anti war cabal.
19 posted on 07/16/2003 6:29:09 AM PDT by OldFriend ((Warpaint at the Ready!))
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To: SJackson
Wait!! Did you hear that noise?......I think it was Dick Gephart changing his position AGAIN
20 posted on 07/16/2003 6:36:49 AM PDT by aardvark1
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To: cyncooper
Rare common-sense from a dem ping.
21 posted on 07/16/2003 6:50:34 AM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: Alex Murphy
If you changed all the "um's" and "Ah's to "You know", and took out the last sentence.....it could be Hillary!
22 posted on 07/16/2003 7:07:40 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: SJackson
Koch is stating the obvious. There was no lie and there was no mistake. At worst, Brit Intelligence made a mistake. Period.
23 posted on 07/16/2003 7:07:46 AM PDT by kellynla ("C" 1/5 1st Mar Div Viet Nam '69 & '70 Semper Fi)
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To: txzman
which is usualy missing in NYC.
24 posted on 07/16/2003 7:16:25 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: SJackson
"I am a proud Democrat who generally supports Democratic candidates for office. I have never voted for anyone other than a Democrat for President.

Although I am a Democrat, I am no ideologue. In some local and state elections, I have proudly crossed party lines for candidates I thought were appreciably better. I believe that the most important issue facing the world is international terrorism, and it is my current intention to vote for George W. Bush for reelection. I do not agree with him on many domestic issues, ranging from privatizing Social Security to tax reductions favoring the wealthy. However, because of his leadership and successes in the war against international terrorism, he is my current choice in 2004.

25 posted on 07/16/2003 7:26:19 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Please invest 17 cents a day/5$ per month in Free Republic as a monthly supporter.)
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To: TomB
My mother-in-law thought Bush lied until I explained that the WH only said they wouldn't have included it if they had it to do over again because items in the SOU speech have to be independently confirmed and we couldn't do that.
26 posted on 07/16/2003 7:39:45 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Dog; Miss Marple
Americans of all political persuasions should defend our country's reputation for fair play by displaying their indignation at those who bear false witness.

They can do this by rejecting those candidates and political leaders who have perpetuated that charge and by turning to other TV and radio channels when the unfair and venomous attacks against the President are being aired.

Ping for Ed Koch's call to defend President Bush!

27 posted on 07/16/2003 8:20:41 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Is Koch getting ready to run for some office in New York? Perhaps Schumer had better start worrying about making it past new year's primary?
28 posted on 07/16/2003 8:23:38 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: redlipstick
I could hear the death knell of this trumped up story yesterday and Ed Koch is helping drive the final blows, going so far as to endorse Bush for re-election in 2004:

it is my current intention to vote for George W. Bush for reelection.

29 posted on 07/16/2003 8:24:02 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: SJackson
Now, let's see how much face time Ed gets from CNN to say these things.
30 posted on 07/16/2003 8:40:36 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
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To: SJackson
Koch is more honest than most Democrat politicians in saying what he really things. He got himself in a lot of trouble during a trip to Ireland with some other Americans when the UK police had a talk with him and he said, in the open, that he thought they had some legitimate points. That's not what his Irish supporters wanted to hear.
31 posted on 07/16/2003 10:26:35 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: cyncooper; 1Mike; 3catsanadog; ~Kim4VRWC's~; A CA Guy; A Citizen Reporter; abner; Aeronaut; ...
Bumping this for all to read!
32 posted on 07/16/2003 10:41:10 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: princess leah
I swear, I'd send money to Koch!
33 posted on 07/16/2003 10:42:54 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
How refreshing after these last few dreadful days to see somebody do the right thing.

This was the first thing I read this morning and it was a sight for sore eyes.
34 posted on 07/16/2003 10:44:47 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Howlin
Here as well.
35 posted on 07/16/2003 10:45:23 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Former New York mayor Koch is right, but will the New York Times print him or even quote him now?!
36 posted on 07/16/2003 10:47:36 AM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
I'm not going to wait to see, are you?
37 posted on 07/16/2003 10:48:04 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: SJackson
thanks for posting this. I heard Glenn Beck talk about Koch this a.m. on his radio show, and was wondering if Koch's remarks were online.
38 posted on 07/16/2003 10:53:07 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: SJackson
Koch was the last decent mayor NYC had before Giuliani. I'd vote for Democrat Koch over "Republican" Bloomberg in a nano-second.
39 posted on 07/16/2003 10:57:13 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: SJackson
Gotta respect a Dem that can acknowledge the wrong-doings of his own party.
40 posted on 07/16/2003 10:59:25 AM PDT by rintense (Freedom is contagious, and everyone wants to catch it!)
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To: ReaganRevolution
Non-ideologue Dems may follow suit Koch- the first time they've ever voted for a Republican for President.
41 posted on 07/16/2003 11:00:33 AM PDT by rintense (Freedom is contagious, and everyone wants to catch it!)
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To: Howlin
Thanks for the bump!

Ed Koch can be a stand-up guy.....when he wants to be.

AND......one more vote for President George W. Bush!
42 posted on 07/16/2003 11:00:33 AM PDT by justshe (Eliminate Freepathons! Become a monthly donor.)
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To: Howlin
This is nice. Some democrats have better political instincts than others. Koch sees the handwriting on the walls and apparently he can read that handwriting, which is more than can be said for McAwful and his minions.
43 posted on 07/16/2003 11:02:33 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader, contribute to FreeRepublic!)
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To: nwrep
He'll need God's blessing after the democrats get through with him. Color them MAD!
44 posted on 07/16/2003 11:06:43 AM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: Howlin
Quite refreshing to see someone - especially a Dem - state the obvious!
45 posted on 07/16/2003 11:06:52 AM PDT by Amelia (It's better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness)
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To: justshe
Ed Koch can be a stand-up guy.....when he wants to be.

He was a very stand-up guy on 9/11. I distinctly remember that ABC radio reporter make a lot of insinuations during the time when the President was moving from place to place that he didn't know where he was going or what he was doing. After she had to get off the air because the planes were taking off, Ed Koch was on the air saying that the reporterette was way off base, that it wasn't her place to know what the President's plans were, etc. I was really impressed that he said on-air that the reporter was way out of line.

46 posted on 07/16/2003 11:10:59 AM PDT by iceskater
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To: SJackson
Apparently you haven't been watching the investigating hearings into 9/11. Total travesties.
47 posted on 07/16/2003 11:14:26 AM PDT by Deb (Do these jeans make my tag look big?)
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To: SJackson
The British, I might note, still stand by that statement. It was not based, they say, on a single source, but on other sources."

The "other sources" is the French Secret Service. The French run the uranium mines in Niger - a former French colony.

The rules of cooperation between the MI6 and the French S.S. are that one must give permission to the other if the other agency passes intell. to a third party, in this case, the CIA.

IMO, the French won't do it 'cuz they are enjoying the spectacle of G.W. having to fight off the media ankle biters.

48 posted on 07/16/2003 11:16:17 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: SJackson
The British, I might note, still stand by that statement. It was not based, they say, on a single source, but on other sources."

The "other sources" is the French Secret Service. The French run the uranium mines in Niger - a former French colony.

The rules of cooperation between the MI6 and the French S.S. are that one must give permission to the other if the other agency passes intell. to a third party, in this case, the CIA.

IMO, the French won't do it 'cuz they are enjoying the spectacle of G.W. having to fight off the media ankle biters.

49 posted on 07/16/2003 11:16:17 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: cyncooper
Too bad this piece didn't run in todays LALA Times where Arianna Huffington and Michael Kinsley trashed Bush in dueling op-eds.

I'm hoping someone other than the admirable Jewish paper ran Koch's piece.

50 posted on 07/16/2003 11:20:22 AM PDT by Deb (Do these jeans make my tag look big?)
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