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Patrick J. Buchanan: Of "Treason" and Tailgunner Joe
WND.com ^ | 07-16-03 | Buchanan, Patrick J.

Posted on 07/16/2003 6:37:51 AM PDT by Theodore R.

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To: Tailgunner Joe
Anne's book, Treason, I think, is going to make a difference, by popularizing the ideas that many of us have known already. Maybe in the same way that Elvis Presley and the Beatles popularized black rhythm and blues and made it mainstream. Most of these ideas didn't orginate with Anne, but she makes them accessible to a mainstream audience and in so doing changes the focus and premise of not just the historical debate but the current one. And her book comes at a perfect time after everyone could witness for themselves the lengths to which the left will go to destroy America. After 9/11 and the attacks on Bush by the left, Anne's audience his primed for her to make her points, which she does very well.

I think this book is going to make a difference.
51 posted on 07/18/2003 6:51:20 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Theodore R.
A great deal of the tragedy that followed WW II had as much to do with Roosevelt's and even Truman's distrust of the Brits as it did with sympathy for the USSR.
When the American troops didn't race across Germany but waited for the Russians to take Berlin it was partly as a reward to a "gallant ally," but it was also partly resistance to what Roosevelt considered Churchill's imperialist scheming against the Russkies.
After the war did the American people really have the stomach to take on the Russians even when it became obvious that they were gobbling up Eastern Europe? I doubt it. We didn't want to be imperialists like the Brits had been. And we were just plain war weary. The great passion of the late 40's and early 50's was in the returning GIs to get on with making a life; a civilian life.
52 posted on 07/18/2003 7:01:07 AM PDT by ricpic
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
One thing I find curious and was wondering if anyone had any comments.

I was watching the history channel the other night which talked about how the US (and I think Britain as well) sent troops to Russia in 1917 to assist the White Russians in their (unsuccesful) effort to defeat the Bolsheviks.

I wonder what percent of Americans if asked, would know about this fact.... it seems to be a historical fact that has disappeared down the memory hole (at least so it seems to me).

It would appear that the influences that would rewrite the history of the 50's are also at work in whitewashing the history of the early 1900's. Or am I missing something here?
53 posted on 07/18/2003 7:09:45 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Theodore R.
I can't wait to take a look at my son's Government text for next year (H.S. senior in the Fall). If it uses "McCarthyism" in the Orwellian sense, I'll be having a friendly chat with some teachers. It's a private school, so I think I'll be reasonably well-received.
54 posted on 07/18/2003 7:11:19 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: Theodore R.
"And Ann Coulter is a public defender who believes that if the verdict of history is a lie, she will appeal it till hell freezes over. And conservatives should be filing amicus briefs, not hiding in the tall grass."

Great line.
55 posted on 07/18/2003 7:31:26 AM PDT by TheDon (Why do liberals always side with the enemies of the US?)
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To: Physicist
Huh?
56 posted on 07/18/2003 7:34:30 AM PDT by TheDon (Why do liberals always side with the enemies of the US?)
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To: Bernard Marx
"McCarthy was the victim of the first liberal-communist Borking in my memory. It's had a tremendous impact on me. I wish you'd be specific about some of his FREQUENT incorrect allegations."

I'm always waiting to here the same myself.
57 posted on 07/18/2003 7:37:56 AM PDT by TheDon (Why do liberals always side with the enemies of the US?)
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To: DPB101
It is sad to see so many liberal, and communist, talking points being uttered on FR, by FReepers no less!
58 posted on 07/18/2003 7:40:24 AM PDT by TheDon (Why do liberals always side with the enemies of the US?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Thanks for the heads up!
59 posted on 07/18/2003 7:42:35 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: x
..."but he doesn't overcome the suspicion that McCarthy made reckless claims and ultimately hurt the anti-communist cause at home and abroad."

Get examples? (tm)

"I get the feeling Coulter is riding high on the emotions of the moment and not looking at the deeper problems and consequences that highly politicized ages bring with them."

If you read "Treason" you can't help but say she is looking at the "deeper problems" and the "consequences".

60 posted on 07/18/2003 7:46:42 AM PDT by TheDon (Why do liberals always side with the enemies of the US?)
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To: Poohbah
You are the same guy who wants the California GOP run by social leftists, right? Social leftism, anti-anti-Communism, what are the rest of your "conservative" credentials?
61 posted on 07/18/2003 7:51:35 AM PDT by BlackElk ( Viva Cristo Rey! .)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
I swear I saw pages posted by DPB101 that relates to the time you are referring to.I'll ping you .
62 posted on 07/18/2003 8:09:04 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: BlackElk
You are the same guy who wants the California GOP run by social leftists, right?

Nope.

You're the same guy who pays his NAMBLA dues in advance, right?

63 posted on 07/18/2003 8:19:25 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Theodore R.
**Is Mrs. McCarthy buried to his right or left? I wonder how many people visit the grave when they are in Appleton? Probably many passers-by have no longer heard of McCarthy and do not know his connection to Appleton. **

My daughter will be learning of McCarthy in her high school gov't class and it will be the truth...no revisionist history in this home! :o)

64 posted on 07/18/2003 8:26:16 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: TheDon
Think how many years of hearing the leftist viewpoint and the conservative silence about the terrible infiltration of communists in our government and the harm people that want to replace our form of government can do when their affiliation is with a foreign country.Moscow pulled the strings of the American groups.They were every where.
65 posted on 07/18/2003 8:27:05 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Treason" will be on my daughter's required reading list for high school. :o)
66 posted on 07/18/2003 8:29:22 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten; MEG33
the US (and I think Britain as well) sent troops to Russia in 1917 to assist the White Russians in their (unsuccesful) effort to defeat the Bolsheviks. I wonder what percent of Americans if asked, would know about this fact.... it seems to be a historical fact that has disappeared down the memory hole . . .

Some good stuff on that here:

Royal Navy, Expeditionary Force, Archangel, Dvina River

The Reds made women the property of the state.

67 posted on 07/18/2003 8:38:03 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
Thanks.I found it and pinged him but others can read it now.
68 posted on 07/18/2003 8:45:54 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: DPB101
Great stuff, DPB....

Yep, the Reds did exactly that. I guess it "It takes a village" had a whole other meaning back then. LOL.

This is taken from your link.

"BOLSHEVIK PRESS MESSAGE – 30th Aug 1919"

A decree is proclaimed by the association of Anarchists of the town of Savator in compliance with decisions of the Soviet of Peasants Soldiers and Workers deputies of Kronstadt. The private possession of women is abolished and social inequalities and legitimate marriage having been an instrument in the hands of the Bourgeoisie thanks to which all the best species of beautiful women have been the property of the Bourgeoisie. The proper continuation of human race has been presented and such arguments have induced the organization to issue the present decree.

From March the 1st the right to possess women of the ages from 17 to 32 is abolished. The age of women shall be determined by birth certificates and passport. Failing to produce documents the age shall be determined by Committee which shall judge according to appearance.

Former husbands may retain the right of using their wives. In case of resistance of husband he shall forfeit his right under former paragraph. All women according to this decree are exempted from private ownership and are proclaimed to be the property of the whole nation. The distribution and management of appropriated women in compliance with the decision of aforesaid organization are transferred to the Savator Anarchists Club from the date of publication of this decree. All women given by it to the use of the whole nation are obliged to represent themselves to a given representative and to supply the required information. A Special Committee is formed for realisation of these decrees.

Any citizen noticing any women not submitting herself to the address under the decree must make the fact known to the Anarchist Club giving name of woman.

Men citizens have right to use one woman 3 times a week for 3 hours observing rules specified below.

Every man wishing to use a piece of public property should be bearer of certificate from Authoritative Committee of Workmen Soldiers and Peasants Council certifying it belongs to a working class family.

Every working member is obliged to discount 2% of his earnings to the funds of the Public General Action.

This Committee in charge will put these discount funds into state banks and other concerns handing down the funds to the population.

Women when they become pregnant are released for three months before and one month after child birth.

Children borne are given to a constitution for training after they are one month old, when they are to be trained and educated until they are 17 at the cost of the Public Funds.

In case of birth of twins a mother is to receive a prize of £20.

All citizens are obliged to watch theirselves carefully and those who are guilty of spreading venereal disease will be held responsible and severely punished.

Women having lost their health may apply to the Soviet for a pension.

The Chief of the Anarchists will be in charge of the temporary measure relating to the decree.

All refusing to recognise and support this decree will be proclaimed enemies of the people and country and will be held strictly responsible.

Signed Councillor City of Savator
69 posted on 07/18/2003 8:46:07 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Amazing stuff!Read the first post .It includes a letter about sausage making.
70 posted on 07/18/2003 8:48:18 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Stalin's Lord HawHaws are still a major force and are still braying loudly.
71 posted on 07/18/2003 8:51:22 AM PDT by HISSKGB
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten; MEG33
We were fighting a regime which created cannibalism as a business and made women property of the state yet some are concerned because McCarthy's charges led to people losing their TV shows or not being able to write for Hollywood.
72 posted on 07/18/2003 8:54:21 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
Surely you can see the balance....;)
73 posted on 07/18/2003 8:59:11 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: DPB101
Very well put, DPB. This nails it.

Another thing I find amazing is how often Churchill is found at the epicenter of history. Boer war, Dardanelles,
Archangel, the wilderness years, WWII, the iron curtain speech, I'm sure I'm leaving many other aspects out, but they guy keeps showing up over and over and over again. Truly and amazing individual.

BTW, I couldn't find the sausage .... link (groan). Can you guys point it out?
74 posted on 07/18/2003 9:14:46 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Theodore R.
Since when did Buchanon finally start understanding our culture war?!

Nice article.

75 posted on 07/18/2003 10:33:41 AM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Theodore R.
First thing Pat has written that I agree with 100% in ages. I'm sickened by those beltway "conservative" pundits who are attacking Ann for being too "shrill" and mouthing the same old myths about McCarthy rather than dealing with the facts she presents.
76 posted on 07/18/2003 11:24:37 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: DPB101
because McCarthy's charges led to people losing their TV shows or not being able to write for Hollywood.

McCarthy had nothing to do with the fabled Hollywood "blacklisting". In fact that occured before McCarthy was on the scene.

77 posted on 07/18/2003 11:32:03 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Hugin
I know...I was sloppy. Referred to the era as being all the work of McCarthy as the left does. Some writers were called in to testify before McCarthy however. But he called them in to try and determine why the VOA and other government groups seemed to have a predilection to purchase and promote pieces written by Communists.

"Red Channels" a booklet published by a private group was responsible for the Hollywood Blacklist. Information on those named by "Red Channels" came from many sources, including HCUA testimony (or non-testimony).

78 posted on 07/18/2003 3:59:50 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: FreedomPoster
Many private schools use the same texts as public schools. Some states fund textbooks for private schools, but of course only the state-approved textbooks are used. Some states also fund bus services for private schools.

Alas, many private schools have pandered for tuition from families the way that public schools seek perpetual tax increases "for the children."
79 posted on 07/19/2003 8:05:38 AM PDT by Theodore R. (q)
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