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What is the Warrior Spirit?
Armed Females of America ^ | Mike Straw

Posted on 07/18/2003 2:17:22 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR

What is the Warrior Spirit?

And do you have it?

Lieutenant Colonel “Jeff” Cooper quotes an old Shoshone refrain that goes:

"Over here, over there, everywhere,
Today, tomorrow, always:
Bad men there are.
Hate you they do.
Kill you they will.
Watch out you better!"

Good advice!


The only thing that stands between you and death is your ability to resist. Order and justice can only be realized through the hand of might. Fear is ignorance actualized. Knowledge displaces fear.

Death is always one step from despair.

Next to nuclear war, this current explosion of interpersonal violence is the single greatest threat to civilization.

Hericletus, the brilliant Roman general, accurately gave percentages long ago: “Of every one hundred men, ten shouldn’t even be there, eighty are nothing but targets, nine are real fighters… We are lucky to have them… They make the battle. Ah, but the one, one of them is a Warrior… and he will bring the others back.”

Throughout history, the Warrior’s been celebrated and exalted due to his essential place in society.
Bruce Lee’s conceptual framework for Jeet Kune Do parallels Jiddux Krisnamurti’s writing on the nature of all things.

Bruce immediately recognized the significance of what Krisnamurti was saying, applied it to fighting, and painstaking made the critical connections from word to physical movement. In his book "On Education" Krisnamurti wrote: “Freedom, liberty, the independence to express what one thinks, to do what one wants to do, is one of the most important things in life. To be really free within oneself is one of the most difficult and dangerous things.”

The philosopher reasons, but the Warrior acts, or as phrased by Phil Messina, President of the prestigious Modern Warrior® “Martyrs alert the world to the presence of evil. Warriors do something about it.”

Although he doesn’t appear to be, the sheepdog is a Warrior, one who would never turn claws and teeth on the flock, but nonetheless, who yearns for a righteous battle.

Patriots long for the inevitable battle against the forces of social fascist enemies of liberty, whether they be in a dark alley or the halls of Congress, to once and for all defeat the terrible peril that has cost untold millions of innocent unorganized Militia members their dignities, their livelihoods, their cherished loved ones and their very lives.

It’s difficult for rational Man to envision evil incarnate, in the frightening form of a stranger ardently willing to destroy him for what he can only perceive as “no good reason.” This moral ambiguity is what the threat counts on during the initial phase of his assault, to delay your appropriate response just long enough to kill you. The thing that distinguishes a Warrior from all others is his propensity to not only survive in the realm of interpersonal aggression, but his capacity to thrive in it. While mere sheep flee the clamor of conflict, the courageous Warrior willingly advances towards it and returns fire.

The legally defensively armed unorganized Militia member faces analogous paradoxes. He must exert a high level of self-control. Petty offenses and insults can’t be allowed to goad one into an unwarranted armed confrontation. An exceptional level of skill must be attained in the use of the legal defensive firearm. If one must shoot, the shots must be expertly placed. It would be better to endure a mugging than to shoot three innocent bystanders in the process of stopping an illegal assault.

The legally defensively armed unorganized Militia member must imagine and rehearse endless possible scenarios in order to be adequately prepared. What if I’m illegally assaulted in a crowd? What if I’m seriously injured? What if my legal defensive firearm malfunctions? Part of this process is fantasy and imagination, and we must do some serious soul-searching to make sure that we aren’t seduced by such fantasies into desiring or seeking an armed confrontation.

We must be detached and yet devoted to the craft. We must be free from degrading machismo and blood lust, and yet ready to justly apply countervailing lethal force without hesitation whenever necessary. The Warrior is prepared for combat wherever he is.

It’s said that one Samurai, who was so poor as to earn his living by working in a small field, always carried a sword and wore leggings even in the field. He therefore didn’t need to go home first if he was called up. A Samurai is a Warrior first, whenever and wherever he is. He doesn’t sleep with his non-dominant arm under his body. If he’s illegally assaulted when he’s in bed, he can prevent the first blow with his non-dominant arm, and can reach for his sword with his dominant arm. He remembers to find an emergency exit before he sleeps when he stays in an inn or hotel.

Like the Samurai in the story, the best practice for the legally defensively armed unorganized Militia member is to be armed at all times.

There are several practical reasons for this. If your legal defensive firearm is on you, it isn’t laying around unsupervised somewhere and it’s immediately available to you when you need it most. If you get into the practice of wearing your legal defensive firearm every day, you’ll wear it more naturally and adjust your wardrobe for adequate concealment. When you wear your legal defensive firearm at all times, the muscles and subconscious learn where your legal defensive firearm is, making for a faster and more certain draw.

This practice of wearing your legal defensive firearm at all times reinforces the "Warrior spirit" and is the safest mode of storage for a legal defensive firearm.

When Jesus met Cornelius the centurion, a Warrior, He didn’t say, “violence never solves anything”; instead, He marveled, “No greater faith have I found, no not in all of Judah,” making the first Gentile convert of him.

In his book, “Sudden Violence,” Greg Jones asks, “To what extremes are you willing to go to ensure your own safety? Do you believe you have it within you to be able to take a man’s life with… no hesitation if a situation warrants it?”

Jones shares that there are too many people who are shot with their own legal defensive firearm because they waited too long to act for their own protection, naïvely hoping the threat would simply go away. This is a hard-wired psychological response to the appearance of a threat. Our first instinct is to run, and failing that, to cower and capitulate, give him anything to save our miserable lives. Most people, when the time inexorably comes to act, instead simply stare stupidly at their swiftly impending doom, thinking something profound, along the lines of, “I can’t believe it’s not butter.”

Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman explains in his book “On Killing,” that most men, when the critical instant comes to justly deliver death, hesitate. He gives the example that during the Civil War, muskets were recovered having over a dozen minié balls recklessly stuffed down the barrel, or that men would purposely shoot over the heads of the enemy.

To kill or seriously injure another person is as foreign to them as committing suicide. Every species has no compunction over exterminating a different one, but all hesitate to destroy their own.

Mentally, a particular scenario reveals our makeup: picture two men locked in mortal combat, one with his hands wrapped around the other’s neck. What would you do? The “trick” in this question is that you must first decide which of these two men you are. Most passive sheep can’t easily visualize themselves doing the choking; they invariably select themselves as the victim. Only those who’ve experienced it, or have trained for such an encounter, identify themselves as the one doing the choking.

A given percentage of people can’t be made to kill -even to justifiably immediately protect their own lives. Phil Messina, president of Modern Warrior®, expresses it like this: “Being a Warrior has little to do with war and much to do with causes.”

This type of person is referred to as “cannon-fodder,” similar to those individuals who repeatedly engage in life-threatening skateboard techniques without benefit of helmet or padding: in the distant past, those are the same slow-witted individuals who would have been eaten by dinosaurs or other carnivores; today, they’re artificially kept alive using your extorted tax dollars, and at increasingly-earlier ages continue to breed even slower-witted tattooed and pierced welfare-dependant offspring.

In Portland Oregon, a standard question on the mercenary proxy-guardian “police” entrance exam states, “If you were called to a disturbance and arrived to find another officer being repeatedly kicked in the head while down on the opposite side of an impenetrable, unscalable fence enclosing them, what would you do?” A percentage always refuses to answer, “Shoot the perpetrator.”

Using the principle of inoculation, or toxin/counter-toxin, by becoming exposed to interpersonal aggression in small doses, we can become somewhat immunized to it. Like a magic trick, we’re awed the first time we’re exposed to it, but if we subsequently learn how it’s done, it no longer astounds.

Today, the Warrior isn’t a hero, his exploits aren’t celebrated, and in fact, the exact opposite is true: the disarmed victim, who doesn’t fight and certainly never wins, has replaced, and is wrongly called “hero.” No society can long exist thus.

Persia, Greece and Rome all fell, Spain, France and Britain are no longer great empires, but mere third-world nations. The U. S. isn’t immune to history. Remember, the Warrior is as much “sensei,” or teacher, as artist and fighter.

He freely passes on to as many as will listen, his joys of liberty.

His confidentiality standards are higher than those of a physician or priest.

He never publicly criticizes any of his students, but always publicly praises them.
He never hesitates to push his students to the point of failure, but will always gently coach them to do it again until it’s right, and the again, until it’s ingrained.

He never turns away an inquisitive mind, and is always there for his students.

True Warriors view themselves as protectors of those they serve and society in general.
They have a powerful belief system and a willingness to sacrifice for those weaker than themselves, even if that sacrifice includes the death of themselves or another. Each Warrior may have a slightly different view of good and evil or legal and illegal, depending on their environment, education or upbringing, but all true Warriors believe in the basic concepts of right and wrong, of fair and unfair, and in the concepts of loyalty and honor. It’s these last two that often create the true Warrior’s greatest turmoil.

Although true Warriors must have courage to perform their duties as Warriors, many don’t fully understand the comprehensive meaning of courage even if they, in fact, display it every day. Courage is displayed in various ways, although when all is said done, we basically can say that there are three basic kinds of courage.

The most commonly recognized form of courage is physical courage, and that’s the kind of courage a Warrior displays when he enters a physical battle with life and limb on the line. We often honor those acts of physical courage, especially when the Warrior knows the odds are against him and enters the battle anyway.

The true Warrior understands that physical courage isn’t the absence of fear, but merely the belief that many things are worth more than fear. This kind of fear is often referred to as bravery and when bravery’s noticed, it’s usually rewarded by some type of public or private admiration.

So although true Warriors don’t perform brave acts just to receive this admiration, they do know that the reward is often there, especially if their courageous act succeeds.

The second kind of courage is emotional courage, and this is often displayed when one is terminally ill, or handicapped, or is close to someone who is. Recognition for this type of courage isn’t so easily obtained and sometimes never truly recognized. It requires a kind of strength that goes far deeper than the strength often required for physical courage, because there’s almost always a feeling of hopelessness and the enemy is one that can’t be harmed or even seen sometimes. The true test of this courage is to fight the fight you can’t win.

Although the reward is rarely public recognition, there’s often a private recognition of those that display this type of courage and sometimes even a kind of immortality for those that face it or even those they face it for. Those that display emotional courage tend to be those that care more about the feelings of others than they do about their own feelings. This kind of courage is often referred to as dignity.

The third kind of courage is moral courage, and in many ways, this kind of courage is the truest form of courage. Moral courage is almost always tested during ethical battles, rather than physical or emotional ones. Sometimes just the act of entering an ethical battle takes a great deal of moral courage. Unlike other battles, ethical battles are usually fought alone by the time they’re completed and it’s the Warrior’s willingness to fight such a battle alone that truly tests his or her moral courage. Unfortunately, most ethical battles are usually lost by those that initiate them. This is usually due to the fact that unethical conduct often has the loyal support of those who have gained from it, while ethical conduct rarely has such support, because there’s no tangible benefit for those that would support it and most people feel that without a promised reward, the inconvenience and ridicule often heaped upon those who identify unethical conduct just isn’t worth the effort.

There are those, of course, who although ethical by nature, still allow themselves to profit from the unethical conduct of others. Some even initially put up token resistance against such conduct, but in the end fall back on the old "well I tried to change it" excuse and continue to reap benefits from the very acts they fought against.

Unfortunately there’s no rule as to how long one must continue to fight unethical conduct while still allowing oneself to benefit from it and each person must eventually make that decision on their own.

Unfortunately, there are too many otherwise ethical persons who’ll never make that decision and in failing to so will, in fact, be endorsing the very conduct they’re trying to condemn.

It’s these conflicts, plus the fact that even in victory moral courage is rarely recognized either publicly or privately that makes it so difficult for even the most heroic Warriors. Unfortunately, because legal defensive firearms permit holders are held to such a high standard, we’re evaluated by the public more by our standards of moral courage than by our standards of physical or emotional courage.

Many honest and decent unorganized Militia members feel that although we’re willing to condemn the wrongdoing of others, we’re very slow and even reluctant to even identify the wrongdoing of our own. Unfortunately, many of our legal defensive firearm leaders and representatives seem to act in a manner that appears to verify this perception.

One way to address this issue is to simply argue that those that criticize us also ignore, or simply give lip service to, unethical conduct within their own professions. The problem is, of course, that they aren’t the ones that want to be thought of as "Warriors.” We are.

The other way we can address this issue is to simply not tolerate unethical or immoral conduct by our leaders, our representatives or our peers. We can acknowledge that this lack of credibility by many honest unorganized Militia members may be at least partially justified, and that with a lack of credibility comes a lack of support, and that with that lack of support, more legal defensive firearms permit holders than necessary may die in the long term.

We may, in fact, have to concede that as true Warriors, we’re bound by an obligation within ourselves to display all three kinds of courage and that in doing so, we’ll regain the respect and support of all those honest and decent unorganized Militia members that may not give us that support now. Legal defensive firearms permit holders aren’t superior to those they protect, but they are few, and so quite special.

How few?
The total population of my state is one million two hundred thirty-five thousand seven hundred eighty-six. A rule of thumb states that permit holders amount to only two percent of the population, or twelve thousand three hundred fifty-eight unorganized Militia members. However, of that number, merely two percent, or one hundred twenty-four Warriors carry on a daily basis! These aren’t the collectors, hunters, trap, skeet, or “sport” shooters; they’re the defenders of society.

They’re special because they do things that others are either unwilling or incapable of doing. They’re exceptional because they’re among a few that are willing to risk their lives for a total stranger. They’re extraordinary because they see themselves as Warriors in a world where Warriors are often resented and ridiculed by those that need them.

However, being a Warrior means more than just saving lives. It even means more than dying with honor. It means living with honor as well

Mike Straw



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; militia; rkba; warrior; wot
One doesn't need any "legal defensive firearms permit" to exercise their unalienable right to keep and bear arms, as enumerated in the Second Amendment. Such infringements are prohibited.
1 posted on 07/18/2003 2:17:23 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR
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2 posted on 07/18/2003 2:19:21 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: TERMINATTOR
There is nothing more important to the survival of a nation than good strong men with a warrior spirit.

And there is nothing more vilified in America today by the looney left than the warrior spirit. It's why our schools have a no-tolerance rule against fighting, so that even a good boy who defends himself against an aggressive punk will be (unustly) punished just the same as the punk. It's why boys with some living fire in them are routinely drugged down into submission with ritalin.

We are being feminized and emasculated, but nature will prevail--or we will be destroyed by a foreign enemy.
3 posted on 07/18/2003 2:31:29 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: *bang_list
Bang_list
4 posted on 07/18/2003 2:31:39 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR (Don't tread on me!)
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To: TERMINATTOR
"Bad men there are. Hate you they do. Kill you they will. Watch out you better!"

Hmmmmm--this guy must have been channeling Yoda.

5 posted on 07/18/2003 2:33:06 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: TERMINATTOR
I am amazed how few people, so-called gun people, have bothered to get a concealed weapons license. Even in the group that has one, they very rarely carried.

It was always silly to watch the IDPA competitors lock their guns in the trunks of their cars. What in the world did they just learn at the all day match?
6 posted on 07/18/2003 2:37:20 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Sentimental crap. 'Warriors' are what they have in Afghanistan, they'll fight each other if they can't find an 'enemy' to fight. Very bad for stability and accumulating resources (you know, things like libraries, factories and hospitals.)
7 posted on 07/18/2003 2:41:54 PM PDT by Grut
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To: dd5339
Thought you might enjoy this...
8 posted on 07/18/2003 2:43:17 PM PDT by cavtrooper21 (When in doubt, give em' both barrels.... then git in there quick with yer Bowie!)
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To: Grut
WRONG, sir. Savage primitives are what they have in Afganistan, not warriors. Just what do you think our special forces men are, who are out there protecting your freedom to call their selfless lifestyle "sentimental crap"?
9 posted on 07/18/2003 2:46:10 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: Grut
Sentimental crap is grut

Warriors are what create our country and has kept our country free from fe-MALES like you!

Why don't you just take a short trip to 'frisco, bend over and enjoy your dessert.
10 posted on 07/18/2003 2:46:28 PM PDT by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: steplock
I wish to aplologize to the women of FreeRepublic for placing Grut in your company.

Grut cannot compare to your accomplishments for our country .

Mea Culpa.

11 posted on 07/18/2003 2:51:20 PM PDT by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Most likely the reason lots of people don't get a permit is that they're law abiding. They don't want to aid and abet a felony by getting an illegal permit. Being law abiding can get you thrown in jail pretty quickly by the anti-constitution crime family known as "public servants", or "our government". That's why people lock their guns in their trunks.
12 posted on 07/18/2003 2:57:30 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR (Don't tread on me!)
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To: Thorondir; steplock
Sigh. More FCVs (Fierce Combat Virgins).
13 posted on 07/18/2003 3:09:13 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Grut
(sigh) Another false gratuitous assertion from a base of total ignorance.
14 posted on 07/18/2003 3:10:22 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: TERMINATTOR
I consider permits a baby set toward Vermont and Alaskan laws. The more people who get them, the case against the "blood in the streets" argument is disputed.

The people who work at the shooting competitions all day and then lock their guns in the trunk haven't learned a thing. IMHO
15 posted on 07/18/2003 3:10:46 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Opps, I meant to say baby steps.
16 posted on 07/18/2003 3:12:26 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Thorondir
It's why boys with some living fire in them are routinely drugged down into submission with ritalin.

It's what I call the Wussification of America. It will probably be our undoing sooner or later. I doubt this country has the stomach for fighting a bloody war if such a war becomes necessary. I hope I'm wrong. And I hope we don't have to fight a bloody war.

17 posted on 07/18/2003 3:22:23 PM PDT by squidly
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To: TERMINATTOR
The way of the warrior is found in death.

Hagakure.
18 posted on 07/18/2003 3:24:25 PM PDT by tet68
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To: Thorondir
"Savage primitives are what they have in Afganistan, not warriors."

Methinks the proper term is "barbarians".

19 posted on 07/18/2003 3:46:44 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: squidly
"It's what I call the Wussification of America. It will probably be our undoing sooner or later."

It already has been. To wit, dozens of passengers on three separate airliners were cowwed into submission by small bands of camel-raping maggots armed only with box cutters with 1" blades.

And let's not forget the much-celebrated "heroes" on a fourth plane who didn't "take action" (far too little, far too late) until they knew they had absolutely nothing to lose in overpowering virtually unarmed "jihad warriors" -- who were outnumbered by at least 25 to 1.

"Let's Roll!!" Indeed......

20 posted on 07/18/2003 3:47:05 PM PDT by tracer (/b>)
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To: squidly
"It's what I call the Wussification of America. It will probably be our undoing sooner or later. I doubt this country has the stomach for fighting a bloody war if such a war becomes necessary. I hope I'm wrong. And I hope we don't have to fight a bloody war."

Every opponent the US has faced yet have believed the above, starting with George III and lately ending with Saddam Hussein. Thus far, they have been uniformly wrong--mistaking a wish to be let alone with with an inability to fight.

See the thread on "The Jacksonian Tradition:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/845102/posts

for the best explanation as to why that I have yet seen.

21 posted on 07/18/2003 3:54:41 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Shooter 2.5
"I am amazed how few people, so-called gun people, have bothered to get a concealed weapons license. Even in the group that has one, they very rarely carried."

Please spare those of us who find ourselves trapped in the Los Angeles Prefecture of the Peoples' Republic of California. There is simply no way to obtain a concealed-carry permit...unless you are a diamond merchant, a politician or a celebrity.

--Boris

22 posted on 07/18/2003 5:27:55 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: Grut
"Sentimental crap."

More sentimental crap:

The Star Spangled Banner

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(The Defense of Fort McHenry)

September 20, 1814

By Francis Scott Key

What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wiped out their foul footstep's pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!

Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner forever shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

< /sarcasm>

--Boris

23 posted on 07/18/2003 5:31:04 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: boris
I know how you feel. I lived in Oak Park, Illinois.

My brother-in-law was arrested and found guilty because he had a gun in a sock drawer. They have a total handgun ban there.

Then I came to Texas by way of Tennessee and the people here don't know how good they have it. Some do but they're in the minority.
24 posted on 07/18/2003 5:32:34 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: squidly
It's what I call the Wussification of America. It will probably be our undoing sooner or later

Its sooner than you think
As a woman I am disgusted when I look around and
see all the wimpy liberal men and just as bad, masculine Hiltery wanna be woman

25 posted on 07/18/2003 7:12:11 PM PDT by apackof2 (Listen much, talk little, learn greatly)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Every opponent the US has faced yet have believed the above, starting with George III and lately ending with Saddam Hussein.

Remains to be if Saddam is wrong.

26 posted on 07/18/2003 7:15:07 PM PDT by squidly
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To: squidly
"Remains to be if Saddam is wrong."

Saddam has already been proven wrong, as evidenced by the presence of US forces throughout Iraq. The question was whether US soldier will FIGHT, not whether US politicians have the balls to stick out the NON-FIGHTING aspects through to an acceptable finish.

27 posted on 07/18/2003 7:49:41 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Saddam has already been proven wrong, as evidenced by the presence of US forces throughout Iraq. The question was whether US soldier will FIGHT, not whether US politicians have the balls to stick out the NON-FIGHTING aspects through to an acceptable finish.

It has been my understanding for a good while that something like what we've got now was his strategy all along. He even went so far as to use BlackHawk Down as a training film. You're right that we're not talking about the will of the American fighting man per se, but more the will of the American people in general. As for the latter, I really have my doubts. And it is the lack of will on the homefront that has the potential to cause us to lose as it did in Vietnam.

28 posted on 07/18/2003 7:53:35 PM PDT by squidly
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To: Grut; Thorondir; steplock
'Warriors' are what they have in Afghanistan

actually, I think that's correct. The whole "warrior" veneration irritates the hell out of me.

When I think of a "warrior" I picture Arnold as Conan- flowing locks, fancy sword, bulging, muscular, hairless physic, waving his blad around and swearing mighty oaths through his capped & polished teeth.

When I think of the word "soldier", I imagine the short, grizzled,pot-bellied 45 year old centurion, who, upon spying the vaguely homo-erotic tableau Conan is staging, turns to some pimply faced legionaire and says "Octavius- have the ballista men put a bolt through that faggot."

Soldiers eat "warriors" for breakfast. A soldier is a professional, not a performer. A soldier should have the same relationship to his adversary(ies) that the guy with an air-powered bolt gun has to the cattle that come up the chute at the slaughterhouse. Combat between soldiers and warriors should not be about valiant champions engaged in single combat- it should be indsutrialized homicide.

Gang-bangers, Afghani tribalists, Fedayeen- sure, you're warriors. I certainly hope so. Makes the soldier's job easier.

I'm all for cultivating a more martial attitude both within our military, and within the civilian populace. But we should do that be reclaiming the concept of the soldier- not by trying to buy into some fancy-schmancy poofter warrior posturing.

29 posted on 07/18/2003 8:49:48 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: fourdeuce82d
Well now we all know what YOU "think", now back to reality...
30 posted on 07/18/2003 8:55:40 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: fourdeuce82d
...not by trying to buy into some fancy-schmancy poofter warrior posturing.

How true, but you'll never convince the FCVs of that; they're having too much fun playing with their 'warrior' dolls.

31 posted on 07/19/2003 11:45:32 AM PDT by Grut
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To: Thorondir
Well now we all know what YOU "think", now back to reality

I'd love to hear what you have to say- I think this is actually a moderately important issue facing our military. By fiat, all army guys are now Black Berets- does this mean they are "mighty warriors?"

I want our soldiers/sailors/airmen/marines etc. to inflict maximum damage upon the enemy. I suggest that berets, "warrior" gobblygook etc. is not the way to achieve that.

Please let me know how this differs from your reality.

32 posted on 07/19/2003 7:48:55 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: fourdeuce82d
General Shitsackee's universal beret idea is just as stupid as his "army of one" idiocy. My son, Mathew, gets his green beret as a special forces medic this August. My other army son works at the NSA as an intelligence analysyt. They both think the black beret for nothing is utterly ridiculous.

There are too many issues do discuss here, sir. All four of my military sons consider themselves to be warriors in the true sense, but not in the swaggering silly sense that it seems you imagine. All four of them are quiet, thoughtful, courageous, in perfect shape, take their jobs very seriously and deadly on the personal level. I don't think any one of them would be upset by your insults. They would probably just shrug them off and silently go on about their business.

I am older and grumpier than them, though. I spent my time shooting and getting shot at, but that was as a street cop--a different sort of warrior in a different sort of war, if you will allow so broad a definition of that term. Either way, whether you call us pansies or sentemental combat virgins or whatever, we fight for the same American people we love and put our lives on the line in various aspects of the war between evil and good, for the peace and protection of our people--including you.

In every man's life there is a war between virtue and the lure of evil. There is no escape from this battle. The man who fails to fight the good fight in this war is no warrior, just a bane to his people. My suggestion, good sir, is that you expand your definition of the term warrior before you jump into somebody else's discussion and fling insults at people you do not know--people who might be your friends--people who are most certainly your allies as your fellow Americans.

Good day, and peace be to you.
33 posted on 07/19/2003 8:46:36 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: fourdeuce82d
Gang-bangers, Afghani tribalists, Fedayeen

Soldiers (who are, by the very nature fo their jobs (making war) warriors, generally do not consider this list of morons to be warriors, though some of them might have military training and experience. But this list of morons is comprised of folks who often do kill even the best of our well-trained professioal soldiers/warriors/troops or cops. It's happening every day in Iraq. It's hapening here in America. Your roman Centurion fantasy aside, it's best not to ignore or underestimate even a weak looking enemy.
34 posted on 07/19/2003 8:54:52 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: Thorondir
whether you call us pansies or sentemental combat virgins or whatever

I wasn't suggesting the troops themselves were pansies- I was suggesting that the recent "warrior" hoo-ha was silly, similar to substituting headgear for training/higher standards."

Soldiers (who are, by the very nature fo their jobs (making war) warriors

I disagree. They are SOLDIERS- they fight as part of a discplined, trained, team. They are professionals.

do not consider this list of morons to be warriors

but I imagine those twits (ganbangers etc.)think of themselves in those terms- "I am a mighty warrior for the crips/Allah etc." I suspect very few of them would say they are soldiers.

All four of them are quiet, thoughtful, courageous, in perfect shape, take their jobs very seriously and deadly on the personal level.

Good for them, and again, good for us- we're fortunate to have them on our side. And they sound like better soldiers than I ever was.

My objection is not to them, but to the idea that the word "soldier" does not encompass the attributes you mention- I believe it does. Also, my concern is that the recent use of the word "warrior" in place of "soldier" is part and parcel of the same ethos that gave us the black beret- i.e. style over substance.

Your roman Centurion fantasy aside, it's best not to ignore or underestimate even a weak looking enemy.

Sure, look what happened to Varus and the three legions the Germans wiped out. But it's not really a fantasy-generally, Roman soldiers ate barbaric warriors for breakfast. And the point of the fantasy was not that a "weak" enemy could be defeated- just the opposite. My point was that even an avatar of physical contioning & skill at single combat like conan would be squashed by soldiers, who aren't interested in looking good, but focus on destroying the enemy by the most efficient means at hand.

From my earlier post-"A soldier should have the same relationship to his adversary(ies) that the guy with an air-powered bolt gun has to the cattle that come up the chute at the slaughterhouse."

I'm sorry we're at loggerheads over this- I think you've mistaken my dislike of the word warrior (in this context) with dislike/contempt for the troops themselves- which is not the case.

35 posted on 07/20/2003 7:58:49 AM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: fourdeuce82d
ok
36 posted on 07/20/2003 3:14:02 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: Wonder Warthog
Hmmmmm--this guy must have been channeling Yoda.

You ever think that Yoda's speech might have been patterned after a Shosone elder? Hmmm? Here's the link to where Col. Cooper made the statement, although he'd apparently made in his classes for some time before. The written commentary dates to 1993, but he taught at (and owned) Guncite (formerly API) from 1975 to 1992. While the first Star Wars episode came out in 1977, I wouldn't be too surprised to find that Col. Cooper never saw it, but of course I don't know one way or the other. OTOH, I do think Col. Cooper would approve, in general, of Yoda's philosophy.

37 posted on 07/21/2003 3:49:40 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Wonder Warthog
Thus far, they have been uniformly wrong

Well, except for the Vietnamese communists. But then again they had many allies here, paid allies in some cases, fellow travelers and usefull idiots in others, but many in the media. Those "allies" of the perpetrators of reducation camps and the killing fields are still there in the media and most especially in the entertainment industry.

38 posted on 07/21/2003 3:53:19 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: steplock
Warriors are what create our country and has kept our country free from fe-MALES like you!

I wouldn't go insulting our pioneer women that way. My own grandma, may she rest in peace, would wup your A$$ for a statement like that. Then she'd wup mine for bringing it to her attention. Well not really, but she was a tough old bird who would suffer no such nonsense. I sometimes cringe to think what her mother must have been like. :)

39 posted on 07/21/2003 3:57:58 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
Well, except for the Vietnamese communists.

To be fair, the Vietnamese communists were slaughtered in vast numbers. We just weren't all that interested in keeping the slaughter going.

40 posted on 07/21/2003 3:58:55 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Then I came to Texas by way of Tennessee and the people here don't know how good they have it. Some do but they're in the minority.

Even here it hasn't always been so great. I was appalled at the carry and transport laws when I first moved here, in 1977. Other than the CHL system put in place not that many years ago, nothing much as changed. I thought that Texans would never put up with not being allowed to carry in public, but they did for over 100 years. Oh, long guns were/are allowed, and when I first moved here it wasn't uncommon to see a 30/30 or 30-06 in the rack in a pick em up truck.

41 posted on 07/21/2003 4:03:50 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Shooter 2.5
It was always silly to watch the IDPA competitors lock their guns in the trunks of their cars. What in the world did they just learn at the all day match?

I never lock mine up. I learned to leave it concealed, holstered and ready.

42 posted on 07/21/2003 4:26:15 PM PDT by Studebaker Hawk (GUNS: more than I need; less than I want)
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To: El Gato
True - right after I hit the ok button, I realized I shouldn't have said it that way - I wanted it to come out like the old Saturday Night Live Arnold Schwartzenager skit talking about the "girlie-boys" but I couldn't think of the phrase "girlie-boy" at the time.

43 posted on 07/21/2003 4:30:13 PM PDT by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: tortoise
To be fair, the Vietnamese communists were slaughtered in vast numbers. We just weren't all that interested in keeping the slaughter going.

They still won though, didn't they? They, or at least their Generals and political leaders, didn't mind the slaughter as long as they won in the end, which they did. War is about winning, not scoring points. We scored all the points, well most of them, they won. They didn't win on the battlefield, until we'd not only run away ourselves, but stopped the beans and bullets flowing to those we originally went over to protect. A very dismal example of Democrat warmaking. Yes I know about Nixon, but it was a Democrat who started it (take your pick, Truman, Kennedy or Johnson) and made a real cluster F&&* out of it, Nixon was well along to a successfull, or at least honorable, conclusion, when watergate went down and the DemonRat Congress cut off the bullets for the ARVN (and the bombs and artillery shells and spare parts and so on and so forth) as well as forbidding the use of US airpower, which was the main thing keeping the Red bastards at bay. Thereby enabling the butchers to come in with a combined arms assault, heavy in mech forces, and start up the re-education camps and enable a guy named Pol Pot in neighboring Cambodia. Also causing my hometown in the middle of the great plains to have a signifigent Vietnamese and Cambodian population, and some of those folks have some pretty hairy stories to tell. Pol Pot was so bad the Red Vietnamese eventually had to stage their own invasion of Cambodia, which the liberals didn't object to. He was generating too much bad press for the Reds.

44 posted on 07/21/2003 4:52:09 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
"You ever think that Yoda's speech might have been patterned after a Shosone elder?"

Could be. I've never seen anything about where George Lucas got Yoda's speech patterns from--although lots of stuff about him stealing Yoda's facial features (eyes and wrinkle patterns) from Albert Einstein.

45 posted on 07/21/2003 4:58:46 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: El Gato
WW"Thus far, they have been uniformly wrong".

EG"Well, except for the Vietnamese communists."

Even there. US forces kicked the Vietnamese' asses (both VC and NVN regulars). South Vietnam was lost only after the liberal fellow travelers in Congress had reduced supply for the SVN down to almost nothing. We didn't lose the war---we lost the peace.

46 posted on 07/21/2003 5:04:04 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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