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Lonely Death of Man Who Found Saddam’s Anthrax (David Kelly)
Times of London ^ | July 19, 2003

Posted on 07/18/2003 5:08:02 PM PDT by Shermy

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To: Henk
ARK-and-cide?

Ur-anium.....rays?

:-(

51 posted on 07/18/2003 5:57:46 PM PDT by maestro
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To: Shermy
Since he's a microbiologist "Memphicide" might be appropriate too.

Sure a strange story, whatever happened.

Auto.........'Hit-n-run'??

52 posted on 07/18/2003 6:00:19 PM PDT by maestro
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To: virgil
There have been several bioweapons scientists dead under mysterious circumstances over the past year or two. I'll see if I can track down an article (I vaguely remember one in Toronto's Globe & Mail).

I think you're thinking of the Russian who formerly worked in the Biopreparat bioweapons research during the Soviet era who was murdered in Britain not too long ago.

53 posted on 07/18/2003 6:00:51 PM PDT by AntiGuv (If at first you don't succeed, don't try skydiving!!)
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To: Shermy; Betty Jo
Well, Dr. Wiley's strange death didn't occur too far from Arkansas. It was on the bridge between Memphis and Arkansas, wasn't it?
54 posted on 07/18/2003 6:01:15 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: virgil; aristeides
Oh, wait. That's right. You're thinking of the Harvard [?] doctor found dead downstream of Memphis (his car was left on a bridge).
55 posted on 07/18/2003 6:02:43 PM PDT by AntiGuv (If at first you don't succeed, don't try skydiving!!)
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To: Shermy
Well, we may never learn what happened, but this begins to sound more like suicide to me. The guy probably was some kind of liberal idealist who leaked to the BBC. It sounds as if he blamed somebody by name for lying about the Uranium story and then tried to fudge what he said at the hearing.

Sometimes really bright guys like this are politically stupid. I'll bet he told the BBC reporter a few things "off the record" and then was surprised when they appeared in print, no doubt together with a few assorted lies and similar goodies the reporter made up.

The article says he was mad at the committee for saying that he was a patsy. Problem is, he was a patsy. He thought he was saving the world and instead he played the fool.
56 posted on 07/18/2003 6:04:56 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: AntiGuv
I think thats the one. They kept mentioning his car and the east coast ( the Harvard connection). My memory is failing. Thanks.
57 posted on 07/18/2003 6:05:25 PM PDT by virgil
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To: newfreep
sorry, wrong Arkancide.

It is taking too long to divulge the whole story. It cannot be all that complicated. That suggests that they are trying to work out a believable cover story and make sure that there is not absolute contradictory evidence around.

58 posted on 07/18/2003 6:05:46 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: wingnuts'nbolts
I'll bet this turns out to be suicide.

http://www.itv.com/news/2093141.html

Television journalist Tom Mangold said he had spoken to Kelly's wife, Janice, on Friday morning, and she said her husband had felt stressed after appearing before the parliamentary committee to face questions about the BBC report.

"She didn't use the word depressed, but she said he was very, very stressed and unhappy about what had happened and this was really not the kind of world he wanted to live in," Mangold told ITV news.
59 posted on 07/18/2003 6:05:46 PM PDT by Republican Red
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To: Republican Red
I'll bet this turns out to be suicide.

Well, of course. That is always the best cover. It happens often enough to be believable and you don't have to make believe you are investigating a murder.

60 posted on 07/18/2003 6:07:46 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: virgil
It was Harvard biochemistry scientist Don C. Wiley - an expert in anthrax, ebola, AIDS, herpes, and influenza research.
61 posted on 07/18/2003 6:10:27 PM PDT by AntiGuv (If at first you don't succeed, don't try skydiving!!)
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To: Shermy
At least in the U.K. when a traitor is exposed, he takes the "honorable" way out.

Clinton should have been so honorable!
62 posted on 07/18/2003 6:13:25 PM PDT by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: virgil
Here's an intriguing webpage that just popped up as I was trying to track down something on all the microbiologists:

Did 22 SDI Researchers really ALL Commit Suicide?

63 posted on 07/18/2003 6:13:31 PM PDT by AntiGuv (If at first you don't succeed, don't try skydiving!!)
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To: AntiGuv
It was Harvard biochemistry scientist Don C. Wiley - an expert in anthrax, ebola, AIDS, herpes, and influenza research.

and,..............WEST NILE VIRUS.......????????????

64 posted on 07/18/2003 6:14:12 PM PDT by maestro
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To: AntiGuv
Well done. Do you know if the other 2 were called suicides too?
65 posted on 07/18/2003 6:15:08 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Shermy
So it's the committee's fault that he is dead? I find this extremely confusing.
66 posted on 07/18/2003 6:17:47 PM PDT by arasina (Conservatives, be CONFIDENT! [My new fightin' words!] WE WILL PREVAIL!)
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To: virgil
Vladimir Pasechnik was ruled a stroke, five days after Don C. Wiley's disappearance in Memphis.
67 posted on 07/18/2003 6:20:33 PM PDT by AntiGuv (If at first you don't succeed, don't try skydiving!!)
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To: virgil
Dr. Wiley's death was never conclusively resolved. The police authorities stated he may've had a dizzy spell and fallen into the Mississippi River after stopping his car on the bridge to sightsee, or whatever...
68 posted on 07/18/2003 6:22:27 PM PDT by AntiGuv (If at first you don't succeed, don't try skydiving!!)
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To: livius
A police source ruled out hanging, an overdose, a gunshot wound or natural causes in his death.

He either stabbed or bludgeoned himself to death or (better yet) threw himself upon the ground with such force that he...

69 posted on 07/18/2003 6:23:47 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: virgil
It's also worth noting that the pathologist who performed the autopsy on Dr. Pasechnik and ruled his death a stroke evidently worked for Britain's MI5 intelligence agency.
70 posted on 07/18/2003 6:24:53 PM PDT by AntiGuv (If at first you don't succeed, don't try skydiving!!)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Fred Mertz; editor-surveyor
FYI............Anthrax......(children's medicine researchers)........'ping'.

Your# 67..........

Vladimir Pasechnik was ruled a stroke, five days after Don C. Wiley's disappearance in Memphis.

71 posted on 07/18/2003 6:25:21 PM PDT by maestro
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To: Shermy
I think you're correct. You've certainly made this seem less confusing to me. Kelly's testimony at the committee hearing on 7/15 was quite vague and seemed to be evasive comparable to "what the meaning of is is."
72 posted on 07/18/2003 6:26:32 PM PDT by arasina (Conservatives, be CONFIDENT! [My new fightin' words!] WE WILL PREVAIL!)
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To: livius
A police source ruled out hanging, an overdose, a gunshot wound or natural causes in his death. Well, exactly what does this leave? Did he vaporise?

Hari Kari

73 posted on 07/18/2003 6:28:34 PM PDT by leadhead
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To: AntiGuv
I skimmed through the SDI article. They seem to want to say it was a cover-up for defense contract fraud. I heard also that the Soviets were really worried about SDI and didn't want to see it go through. At Reykavik Gorbachev strung Reagan along for the whole conference agreeing to everything on disarmament, until the last thing, which was SDI. Reagan wouldn't abandon SDI then the whole deal fell in. Reagan was pissed.
74 posted on 07/18/2003 6:28:44 PM PDT by virgil
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To: wingnuts'nbolts; Henk; archy
Since he's a microbiologist "Memphicide" might be appropriate too.

Sure a strange story, whatever happened.

75 posted on 07/18/2003 6:40:13 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: virgil
He was a scientist who specialized in exotic bioweapons.

Probably used a sophisticated but quick and painless means to end his life at a favorite scenic spot.

Suicides are rarely a sudden event. He's probably been borderline for many years or decades. This recent event tipped him over. Or he may have already had a diagnosis of fatal or debilitating illness. Or such a morbid fear of losing his mental prowess as old age came upon him that, after fumbling in front of the committee, he decided to end it before he faced further mental aging.

These scientists take their brains and knowledge seriously. Very very seriously. It is key to their identity, their ego, their entire self-esteem.

Or maybe, being a funloving guy, he just dropped too many tabs of LSD and smoked too much crack last night. Who knows.
76 posted on 07/18/2003 6:45:07 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Shermy
"A police source ruled out hanging, an overdose, a gunshot wound or natural causes in his death."

So how, exactly did he kill himself? Is this little fact in this piece somewhere, because if it is I missed it. I mean, did he cut his throat, slit his wrists, or beat himself about the head with a large rock?

I swear, this is the strangest story, it asserts he commited suicide (Tom Lantos voice please, all), doesn't say how, and then lists a bunch of causes of death that have been ruled out.

Maybe the darn BBC did kill him, and their Times cronies are just covering up for them.


77 posted on 07/18/2003 6:46:41 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Mike4Freedom
Maybe. I always thought that Tony Blair was cut from the same cloth as Bill Clinton. His lap dog following of Bush has not changed that opinion.

What nonsense. Blair is not cut from the same cloth as clinton in that way.

It certainly is not to Blair's benefit that Kelly turned up dead.

I, as some others have stated, doubted suicide, as I posted on another thread, by the description of him being "upset" that his words were taken by a journalist and misquoted. Then as I wrote my post I fleshed it out that perhaps he had NOT been misquoted and he was a party to and gotten caught undermining and lying about Blair, intelligence, his country, the war effort. That might even have been a crime. Hence, the suicide theory seemed much more likely.

Too soon to say until more details are learned.

78 posted on 07/18/2003 6:56:06 PM PDT by cyncooper (it is my current intention to vote for George W. Bush for reelection...Ed Koch,7/16/03)
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To: Spunky
I am happy to see I am not the only one confused about this.

and it is the conservatives that are attacking Blair

79 posted on 07/18/2003 6:56:42 PM PDT by alrea
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To: jocon307
So how, exactly did he kill himself? Is this little fact in this piece somewhere, because if it is I missed it. I mean, did he cut his throat, slit his wrists, or beat himself about the head with a large rock?

I thought of knife or suffocation, since so many other ways to die are said not to be the means, and to rule out natural causes means the cause must be kind of obvious. The article rules out hanging, but maybe a plastic bag over the head?

80 posted on 07/18/2003 7:00:53 PM PDT by cyncooper (it is my current intention to vote for George W. Bush for reelection...Ed Koch,7/16/03)
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To: Mike4Freedom
"Well, of course. That is always the best cover. It happens often enough to be believable and you don't have to make believe you are investigating a murder."

Oh, yes, very good, EXCELLENT point, esp. the last bit. Throw in a quote like "not the world he wanted to live in" and you've got it made. I am NOT AT ALL getting why ANYONE would want to commit MURDER (hm, um, Nero Wolf voice- dub it yourself) or SUICIDE (extra thick Tom Lantos voice)over any of this BBC flap stuff.

I mean, do we now expect George Tenant to kill himself? Were people killed over Watergate? I mean, wasn't that what was weird about Vince Foster, who I seem to remember actually had some history of mental instability? Is Bush going to have that New Guy at the NYTimes "taken out"?

I feel like Alice down the Rabbit Hole with this stuff. I don't think it's just me, since so many people are posting that they are confused, yet the chatterers in the media chatter on, like this is Laci Peterson, or even Nicole Simpson, and OF COURSE the (ex)Hubby did it, even if he beats the rap in the end. I mean, those stories I can comprehend. But this one is really a quagmire!


81 posted on 07/18/2003 7:01:26 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Shermy

1. Nov. 12, 2001:

Benito Que was said to have been beaten in a Miami parking lot and died later.

2. Nov. 16, 2001:

Don C. Wiley went missing. Was found Dec. 20. Investigators said he got dizzy on a Memphis bridge and fell to his death in a river.

3. Nov. 21, 2001:

Vladimir Pasechnik, former high-level Russian microbiologist who defected in 1989 to the U.K. apparently died from a stroke.

4. Dec. 10, 2001:

Robert M. Schwartz was stabbed to death in Leesberg, Va. Three Satanists have been arrested.

5. Dec. 14, 2001:

Nguyen Van Set died in an airlock filled with nitrogen in his lab in Geelong, Australia.

6. Feb. 9, 2002:

Victor Korshunov had his head bashed in near his home in Moscow.

7. Feb. 14, 2002:

Ian Langford was found partially naked and wedged under a chair in Norwich, England.

8. 9. Feb. 28, 2002:

San Francisco resident Tanya Holzmayer was killed by a microbiologist colleague, Guyang Huang, who shot her as she took delivery of a pizza and then apparently shot himself.

10. March 24, 2002:

David Wynn-Williams died in a road accident near his home in Cambridge, England.

11. March 25, 2002:

Steven Mostow of the Colorado Health Sciences Centre, killed in a plane he was flying near Denver.



12. David Kelly, the British microbiologist who was found dead this morning,


13. Perhaps #13 will die by lethal injection.


82 posted on 07/18/2003 7:02:08 PM PDT by Princeton
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To: McGavin999
Anyone think about this angle?

You'd think that would be one of the first angles to consider.

In the last year a fellow named Sargon (honest) who is is the expatriate leader of
the Assyrians of Iraq won a LARGE cash settlement from a lawsuit (against the Iraqi guvmint?)
because he convinced a US court that Saddam/his guvmint had tried to assassinate him numerous times.

I can't remember the actual location, but Sargon lives in a decent sized compound in
Central California, from which he keeps in contact with his flock via satellite broadcasts.
(This was in The Los Angeles Times...which I read for opposition research)
83 posted on 07/18/2003 7:07:29 PM PDT by VOA
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To: The Great Satan; NativeNewYorker; oceanview

PING!
84 posted on 07/18/2003 7:10:14 PM PDT by Princeton
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To: jocon307
I am NOT AT ALL getting why ANYONE would want to commit MURDER (hm, um, Nero Wolf voice- dub it yourself) or SUICIDE (extra thick Tom Lantos voice)over any of this BBC flap stuff.

The only way that suicide fits for me---so far----is he was caught telling a journalist blatant lies about the state of British intelligence. Would that be treason? IF that is what he did, maybe he was anti-war--who knows--,perhaps suicide over what he feared would be a trial or other public exposure.

Now, it was said the MPs believed him when he said he was not the sole source, but perhaps after the hearing he felt he had been caught out?

85 posted on 07/18/2003 7:13:32 PM PDT by cyncooper (it is my current intention to vote for George W. Bush for reelection...Ed Koch,7/16/03)
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To: cyncooper
"...but maybe a plastic bag over the head?"

Then this will be ruled a death by sexual misadventure, IIRC, like at least two of the SDI guys mentioned in antiguv's link above.
86 posted on 07/18/2003 7:16:13 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: McGavin999
...or simply to implicate Blair/Bush and continue to try to turn the world (and sadly, our own people) against Bush and Blair. I'm sure the Dems will gladly contribute to this conspiracy theory. When Bob Graham completes the impeachment section of his journal, he can start on the conspiracy section.
87 posted on 07/18/2003 7:21:50 PM PDT by 4integrity (AJ)
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To: livius
>>>>>what does this leave?>>>>>>>> It leaves a head injury or he bled to death. I can't think of much else.
88 posted on 07/18/2003 7:31:10 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Miss Marple; redlipstick
Ping to my #85 for my thoughts if Kelly is a suicide what the motive might be.

Awaiting further details on cause of death.
89 posted on 07/18/2003 7:44:56 PM PDT by cyncooper (it is my current intention to vote for George W. Bush for reelection...Ed Koch,7/16/03)
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To: Shermy
What you call a "fallback on the purity of his religion" is a very important clue to this man's death.

Folks are presently assuming that someone in the UK government, or at the BBC, or maybe even in the US government murdered this man.

Since he is a member of Baha’i, it's entirely possible it was an Iranian government hit. Remember, Baha'i and the Shi'a mullahs have never hit it off too well and the mullahs quite regularly put these guys on trial and kill them.

90 posted on 07/18/2003 7:52:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: AntiGuv
Mysterious Microbiologists Deaths
91 posted on 07/18/2003 8:33:41 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: AntiGuv
No, the government "offing" him would be too obvious. They wouldn't do it, especially at this point in time because they would be the first to be suspected. Besides, they have the means to have done it in such a way that nobody would/could ever suspect. i.e. an accident, a plane crash, etc. The timing on this is too bad. They would have done something BEFORE the testimony. No, this was done at this time in this way to cast suspicion on the government.
92 posted on 07/18/2003 8:36:40 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader, contribute to FreeRepublic!)
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To: Shermy
Clearly he did an inadequate job of taking the fall for the Blair government. If he had told the committee that he was the BBC reporter's source, there would have been a minor fuss, but everything would blow over. Unfortunately, the guy appears to have had some scruples and was unwilling to take the dive for the govt.

Most likely terminated with extreme prejudice by some faction in the British govt.
93 posted on 07/18/2003 8:51:03 PM PDT by Lessismore
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To: All
Come on Freepers, I've already told you on another thread.

Bin Laden and/or Saddam killed him.

Just like Don Wiley.

Wiley was killed because he would be too good at fighting SARS and the other goodies yet to get us, and now Kelly because his death causes such a ruckus,raises uneasiness,soon to be terror,and just for plain old revenge.

Saddam and Binny have a sense of humor.

Watching us and our reactions is fun to them.

At one time, Kelly knew all that he could know given the restraints,about Saddams bios.

Now he knows nothing.

Dead bioweapon experts cant talk.
94 posted on 07/18/2003 9:06:21 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: McGavin999
No, the government "offing" him would be too obvious. They wouldn't do it, especially at this point in time because they would be the first to be suspected.

So what? What if they are the first to be suspected (which is and was inevitable)? What is anyone gonna do about it?

If the motives were strong enough, they'd off him and suspicions be damned... Your remarks indicate that you have prejudged what it was that may've made him a threat to someone or other. Why are you so sure you know?

95 posted on 07/18/2003 9:18:06 PM PDT by AntiGuv (If at first you don't succeed, don't try skydiving!!)
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To: AntiGuv
Why are you so sure you know?

Because I've got good instincts and I'm right 99.9% of the time. Besides, it would have made more sense to get rid of him BEFORE he testified, not after. That could have been taken care of in minutes, without any effort. No, I think it far more likely it has something to do with the BBC. They are in a fight for their lives right now. I'm beginning to wonder just who is behind the BBC, and why. They were blatantly anti-war. They were even thrown off one of the British warships in the middle of the war. Everyone over in Iraq has commented on it. There is far more to this story than meets the eye, and it's not the government this time.

96 posted on 07/18/2003 9:36:20 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Just because we met our fundraising goals doesn't mean you can't still contribute.)
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To: McGavin999
It's a safe bet this one falls into the 00.1% category...
97 posted on 07/18/2003 9:41:37 PM PDT by AntiGuv (If at first you don't succeed, don't try skydiving!!)
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To: Shermy
Baha'i is very big among the one-worlders at the United Nations. In fact if I recall correctly the United Nations has a place in Baha'i doctrine itself, although I'd have to check to be sure.

Basically it looks like Kelly "sexed up" his leak to Gilligan, and when he got caught dead to rights he took the easy way out, knowing full well that he'd leave his enemies in the Blair cabinet with a lot explaining to do, which satisfied his angry feelings towards them.

The act of coward.

98 posted on 07/18/2003 9:55:35 PM PDT by beckett
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To: Princeton; virgil
Thank you for posting. This is the list that came to mind when I heard of the DR's death.

Who would benefit from all of these scientist death?
99 posted on 07/19/2003 7:17:40 AM PDT by hoosiermama (.Prayer for all)
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To: beckett
Any idea what Baha'i doctrine on suicide is? I've searched some, but I haven't found a good explanation.
100 posted on 07/19/2003 7:25:59 AM PDT by Lessismore
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