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Undermining American workers:(Illegal Immigrants Are Pulling Wages Down - Pushing Taxes Higher)
Los Angeles Times ^ | Juy 20, 2003l | Fred Dickey

Posted on 07/19/2003 1:26:30 AM PDT by sarcasm

The perils of illegal immigration rattle around in the attic of public policy like a troubled spirit. We pretend not to hear the dragging chains because we don't know how to silence them, but the ghosts will endure, especially in California. Because the nation can't control its borders, the number of illegal immigrants grows by an estimated half-million each year. They come because we invite them with lax law enforcement and menial jobs. Their presence makes our own poor more destitute, creating a Third World chaos in the California economy that we are only beginning to understand.

Patricia Morena has no time for a philosophical discussion on unauthorized immigration. She lives with it, or tries to. She's a U.S. citizen of Mexican descent, and a motel maid in Chula Vista, six miles north of the border. She's short and heavyset, and dresses with care in tasteful thrift shop. She earns $300 before taxes, when she's fortunate enough to have a five-day week. She's a single mom with three children, all stuffed into a ratty little one-bedroom apartment. The eldest, an 18-year-old boy, has taken to stealing; she thinks it's because he's always been poor.

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That loss of tax revenue is key to understanding why unchecked illegal immigration creates a downward economic spiral. Jan. C. Ting, Temple University law professor and former assistant commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, says the swelling population of poor people who have little more than manual labor to offer, and who pay few taxes, will inevitably draw heavily on social services. That drain will, in turn, increase taxes on businesses and homeowners, who may depart for other states, which in turn will drive tax rates even higher.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; slavesfordems

1 posted on 07/19/2003 1:26:30 AM PDT by sarcasm
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2 posted on 07/19/2003 1:26:55 AM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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3 posted on 07/19/2003 1:30:09 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: sarcasm
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4 posted on 07/19/2003 2:01:02 AM PDT by junta (Xenophobia a perfectly reasonable response to the feckless stupidity of globalism.)
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5 posted on 07/19/2003 2:21:39 AM PDT by lainde
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To: madfly; JackelopeBreeder
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6 posted on 07/19/2003 3:46:25 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: sarcasm
You can't blame the illegal immigrants who have it better under our tyrants than their own.

What about the employers who hire these people?

What about our own government who floods America with legal immigrants to drive wages down?

What about our own government who recruited corporations to leave America and relocate in other countries , paid for with our tax dollars? Allowing them to sell their products back to American's with prices like they were made in America , without charging them tarrifs.

Wages ARE going to go down and taxes ARE going to go up.

But it's not the illegal immigrants doing it to American's , it's their own government.

Fight , but fight the right people.

7 posted on 07/19/2003 5:10:07 AM PDT by Eustace
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To: sarcasm
Because the nation can't control its borders, the number of illegal immigrants grows by an estimated half-million each year

It's like the equivalent of adding a MAJOR city a year full of nothing but illegal aliens, while many are more concerned with the personal problems of basketball players.

Big trouble is waiting down the road.

8 posted on 07/19/2003 9:41:24 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Are these people for real?)
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To: sarcasm
That loss of tax revenue is key to understanding why unchecked illegal immigration creates a downward economic spiral.

The endless rape of the American tax payer.

9 posted on 07/19/2003 9:47:44 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Are these people for real?)
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To: sarcasm
"Los Angeles Times" will take some heat for printing this article. They are usually more Politically Correct than this.
Here's a website with good info on this subject and makes activism easy:
http://www.numbersusa.com/index
10 posted on 07/19/2003 9:52:56 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"Big trouble is waiting down the road."

Indeed it is. Politicians deaf ear on the subject will certainly push this to critical mass. Things are going to get violent.

In the past few days there has been a huge increase in Illegals coming in.
11 posted on 07/19/2003 9:53:21 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: moehoward
Indeed it is. Politicians deaf ear on the subject will certainly push this to critical mass. Things are going to get violent.

It already has!

In the west alone, in just the past year, 3 police officers have been murdered by illegal aliens, and many other illegals have left a path of thousands of American victims in their wake, not to mention to what these millions are doing to us economically etc.

How soon everyone forgets, one of the mass murdering DC snipers, that had the entire region of that part of the country in a damn panic for weeks, was another illegal alien. American's are a patient people, and the patients is now paper thin, or in many cases, completely gone....

12 posted on 07/19/2003 10:18:02 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Are these people for real?)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Yes, hardly a day goes by that there isn't a story in the news about some Illegal raping, robbing or murdering an American citizen.

I should have been more clear. I meant violence at the border. As the gate crashers meet more resistance, they will resort to more drastic measures to gain access.
13 posted on 07/19/2003 10:25:54 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: moehoward
Yes, hardly a day goes by that there isn't a story in the news about some Illegal raping, robbing or murdering an American citizen.

You bet, as our so-called leaders stand in silence, winking and nodding at this.

14 posted on 07/19/2003 10:31:24 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Are these people for real?)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I've been raving about this for years and years now. Nobody wanted to listen to me then. They are just starting to want to listen now, but it is too late. Any serious effort to remove the illegals will most likely spark civil unrest at the least, and civil war in the worst case.

The damage is done. The prognosis is not good. We've lost our country. There really is no option of "taking it back". All that is left is possibly carving out a new piece of what remains and claiming that as our new nation.
15 posted on 07/19/2003 10:37:12 AM PDT by Elliott Jackalope (Formerly Billy_bob_bob)
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To: Elliott Gigantalope
Me too. On other boards when the topic comes up (sometimes by me) any attempt to point out what's happening, is met with the usual comments. "Xenophobic", "Racist" etc. By the time these people get it, it truly will be too late.
16 posted on 07/19/2003 10:49:12 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Elliott Gigantalope
The damage is done. The prognosis is not good. We've lost our country. There really is no option of "taking it back". All that is left is possibly carving out a new piece of what remains and claiming that as our new nation.

That's very interesting that you stated that at this time. I wont reveal what I am personally doing right now, but in a small way, it's similar to what you just referred to. And we are very excited about it.

17 posted on 07/19/2003 10:57:26 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Are these people for real?)
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To: moehoward
By the time these people get it, it truly will be too late.

And they will fully deserve everything they get.

18 posted on 07/19/2003 12:00:27 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Are these people for real?)
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To: sarcasm
I've heard on the news today how there are not enough jobs for college students this summer.
19 posted on 07/19/2003 5:56:31 PM PDT by virgil
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To: sarcasm
Great article bump!
20 posted on 07/20/2003 8:10:01 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: sarcasm
I thought that the liberals solved this wage problem by setting a minimun wage. Everytime the unions want a raise they go to Uncle Teddy Kennedy and demand an increase in the minimun wage.

Wages are no longer based upon the value of the work needed, but based upon government numbers for the masses.

So much for "freedom", we hire the special people to make it fair for everybody, and no one is happy.

21 posted on 07/20/2003 8:39:29 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: sarcasm
To some extent, conservatives are to blame for part of the illegal immigration. You can control illegals with a national identity card and a database of citizens. However, this smacks of a police state and we've been unable to balance the two. Interesting trade-off!

Given the current situation, I'd vote for an identity card.

22 posted on 07/20/2003 9:40:27 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; B4Ranch; madfly; FITZ; Reaganwuzthebest; hsmomx3; ...
Ping!
23 posted on 07/20/2003 9:43:46 AM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: sarcasm
It's not just illegals. I think they are getting far too much of the blame ---I'd take a hard-working illegal any day over the worthless welfare and SSI bums coming over legally from Mexico. Family reunification is allowing types to come over who have no intention of ever working in this country ---how many elderly parents and grandparents are being brought in by sponsors who have no intention of every providing a dime of their own money to support their immigrant? And those welfare anchor babies which entitle their illegal parents to stay on forever and never work. Welfare rates in many Texas counties along the border are over 50% and much of it is technically by legal immigrants. The formerly amnestied are legal now and qualify for all the welfare programs. Illegals are only a portion of the problem.
24 posted on 07/20/2003 10:05:33 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Eustace
Fight , but fight the right people.

And the right people are:

1. The current inept administration..... the one that has ignored domestic issues from day one, has refused to secure the borders, and has gotten into bed with the vile likes of the Mexican government.

2. The invading hordes themselves.

3. Employers of the invading hordes.

4. Those who give sanctuary to the invading hordes (cities, counties, crooked law enforcement agencies, scumbags like Willie Brown and James Hahn, that crooked governor of Illinois, Arizona Governess Butch Napolitano, etc.

5. The corrupt Mexican government.

6. The many religious outfits who violate federal aiding and abetting laws with impunity.

7. Fifth-column seditionist outfits like the Southern Poverty Law Center, National Council of La Raza (the race), MALDEF, LULAC, Catholic Charities, and other assorted and sundry poverty pimps,

In the words of the POTUS, "BRING THEM ON".

25 posted on 07/20/2003 10:14:00 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan (Stop the invasion. Put the military on the borders, round up illegals, and tell Fox to shove off.)
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To: sarcasm
That drain will, in turn, increase taxes on businesses and homeowners, who may depart for other states, which in turn will drive tax rates even higher.

Compound this with the loss of manufacturing and tech jobs with hordes of legal and illegal immigrants coming in, a collision will happen. None of this adds up.

26 posted on 07/20/2003 10:26:21 AM PDT by Missouri
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To: Tancredo Fan
7. Fifth-column seditionist outfits like the Southern Poverty Law Center, National Council of La Raza (the race), MALDEF, LULAC, Catholic Charities, and other assorted and sundry poverty pimps,

Don't forget who's bankrolling these guys. The Ford Foundation.

27 posted on 07/20/2003 10:28:54 AM PDT by Missouri
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To: Missouri
That's right.... the Ford Foundation is America's worst enemy.
28 posted on 07/20/2003 11:04:39 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan (Stop the invasion. Put the military on the borders, round up illegals, and tell Fox to shove off.)
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To: Eustace
re: What about the employers who hire these people? )))

Here's where a surgical enforcement could work wonders.

Put employers in JAIL who knowingly hire illegals.

Impose heavy civil penalties (including damages to those citizens and legal residents not hired) on employers who can demonstrate that they did not KNOWINGLY hire illegals. IOW, make hiring illegals a tort.

Scare the employers.

29 posted on 07/20/2003 11:08:01 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Tancredo Fan
You see a lot.

But it wouldn't matter which bankers party was in office the same agenda would be followed.

The fact is our own government is trying to take us down for their elite rulers.

In order to have one ruling class the rest of us have to be cattle.

So controlling our economic system our education system and our religious system is the agenda.

Our economic system was handed over to foreign banksters in 1913. Public education has become government education the same as our Churches have become State churches through incorporation.

30 years ago some American's were trying to tell the rest "Buy American" , but the rest wouldn't listen.

Our government recruited corporations to leave America and relocate in other countries and paid for it with our tax dollars. Naturally that's what the corporations wanted , why pay American wages when you can pay slave wages and sell the same products back to stupid American's at American prices and no tariffs.

You think this is too underhanded to be true.

Well American elites asked Roosevelt to sign the Trading with the Enemy Act so they too could profit from the international bankster wars. The great Roosevelt was bought and paid for before he ever saw office. Because of his name the banksters ask him to run for governor of New York which was the first step to becoming president ( something hillary hopes still works). Sly ole Roosevelt declined bringing up his debt with his polio ranch in Georgia or Alabama , I don't remember which anymore.Well the debt disappeared and Roosevelt turned America into a welfare state.

American corporations sold Hitler the materials neccessary to keep the war going. This allowed the international banksters who own the federal reserve to make money from both sides of the war. Like they have done in America since our (their) own Civil War.

During the Vietnam "Limited Conflict" ( a CFR concoction ) Rockefeller made a deal with Russia and had Roosevelt sign it. After which Rockefeller began selling materials to Russia that were turned into weapons and sold to North Vietnam.

Weapons that were used to kill over 58,000 American's.

Bush and Cheney are taking in the profits off of Iraq as they console American's who lost loved ones.

We have been cattle for quite awhile , they just haven't officially told us.

But since our government has been giving China neuclear technology and our special forces have been training theirs , it's only a matter of time before we have a new enemy that will make New York look like a cakewalk.

We helped Mao keep China , we trained Ho Chi Minh , we befriended Iran then trained and armed Iraq.

For some reason we always arm and train our enemies before we classify them as enemies , so our elites can make profits off of our deaths.

Iraq , did not attack New York. When history comes out I think you will find that New York happened just like the Lusitainia and Pearl Harbor.

The end justifies the means. America's elites wanted the war with Iraq and Saddam was in on it , so IT was going to happen. Weapons of mass destruction or not.

Unless American's wake up the END will be ours.

30 posted on 07/20/2003 11:29:00 AM PDT by Eustace
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To: Just mythoughts
Every time the min wage increases the people who work on straight salary are bitten in the rear. Savings is proportinately devalued. The price of a loaf of bread et al increases. No one is any better off except those illegals who send their $$$ back across the border.
31 posted on 07/20/2003 12:01:06 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Eustace
I meant to say Rockefeller had Johnson sign the agreement , not Roosevelt.

Sorry

32 posted on 07/20/2003 12:49:06 PM PDT by Eustace
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To: sarcasm
Illegal Immigrants Are Pulling Wages Down

Hey, that's my bandwagon. Glad to see other jumping aboard.

33 posted on 07/20/2003 1:28:18 PM PDT by Flyer (Ask me about my Golden Retriever!)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I wont reveal what I am personally doing right now, but in a small way, it's similar to what you just referred to.

That's extremely intriguing. Will you reveal more details at a later time?

34 posted on 07/20/2003 1:38:48 PM PDT by Nea Wood
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To: Nea Wood
Yes.
35 posted on 07/20/2003 3:14:28 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Are these people for real?)
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To: Tancredo Fan
"That's right.... the Ford Foundation is America's worst enemy."

I guess this is the same family of THE Henry Ford (of the Model 'T' fame)? Worst enemy in terms of what...this subject or in general?

36 posted on 07/20/2003 3:41:02 PM PDT by Paulie
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To: Paulie
No, I don't think the two Ford's are related.
37 posted on 07/20/2003 3:45:49 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Are these people for real?)
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To: Paulie
The Ford Foundation no longer has anything to do with the Ford family. Henry must be rolling over in his grave the way the communists have been carrying on. They fund the despicable likes of the National Council of La Raza (The Race), the Southwest Voter Registration and Education Project, MALDEF, LULAC (at one time... not now, I don't think), and other anti-American loony lefty outfits who constantly fight for open borders and globalism.
38 posted on 07/20/2003 3:46:53 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan (Stop the invasion. Put the military on the borders, round up illegals, and tell Fox to shove off.)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
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39 posted on 07/20/2003 5:05:47 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Elliott Gigantalope
I've been raving about this for years and years now. Nobody wanted to listen to me then. They are just starting to want to listen now, but it is too late. Any serious effort to remove the illegals will most likely spark civil unrest at the least, and civil war in the worst case.

You aren't alone. I'm a bit more optimistic than you are. Here's why:

Over the past few years, the situation has gotten just outrageous; it is no longer the US we all grew up in when educated, intelligent, hardworking and competent people can't find jobs. Those that do have jobs aren't real confident about them lasting, and most are horribly in debt and/or have lost their retirement savings. What's the governmnet solution been? Well, low interest rates, so they can live off their equity. With a Presidential election coming up, at least on of those Democrats is going to connect the dots...they want to help the US worker, but it's impossible as long as border jumpers drain any program offered and jobs, even if created, will either go to non-citizens here, or be shipped overseas. At least one of these candidates trolling for votes is going to get the connection and call for guarded borders and an end to letting corporations of the hook for hiring illegals and/or shiiping jobs out. In that six-way race, there are a lot of primary votes just waiting for the candidate who takes up that issue.

Work on them. Email and call and say you like the candidate, but this issue is important to you, as otherwise nothing will work. I really think the issue will be a winner in the next election, if we don't keep Republican blinders on.

40 posted on 07/20/2003 5:44:54 PM PDT by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: Tancredo Fan
{that crooked governor of Illinois}

That would be Gov. Rod Blagojevich, the son of Serbian immigrants. A couple of months ago, he signed a bill which granted in-state tuition to illegal immigrants. He had to the nerve to mention his immigrant parents as the reason why he signed the bill. Sadly, the Republicans in IL aren't much better. The in-state tuition bill sailed through the IL legislature with no resistance at all.
41 posted on 07/20/2003 8:02:33 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Missouri
"7. Fifth-column seditionist outfits like the Southern Poverty Law Center, National Council of La Raza (the race), MALDEF, LULAC, Catholic Charities, and other assorted and sundry poverty pimps," Tancredo Fan

Don't forget who's bankrolling these guys. The Ford Foundation.

That's a who's who list of organizations bent on America's destruction. Gotta keep track of them and what they do...the Ford Foundation in particular.

42 posted on 07/20/2003 11:43:43 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: FITZ
"Illegals are only a portion of the problem..."

Illegals ARE the problem:
Them and the US government policies toward them;
...Amnesty for ILLEGALS creates a new set of anchors every few years,
...A constantly growing ILLEGAL populace drags down legal hispanic society AND creates a situation wherein the legal hispanics are afraid or unwilling to speak out against (or rat out on)the ILLEGALS who exist within their community,
...The state and federal governments' fear of antagonizing ANY hispanic leads them to ignore the rights of all others
...ILLEGAL aliens have no reason to even consider assimilation because they have been promised more from remaining isolate. Legal hispanics on the other hand should assimilate over at least a couple of generations.
43 posted on 07/21/2003 6:47:09 AM PDT by norton
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To: WRhine
Gotta keep track of them and what they do...the Ford Foundation in particular.

You bet.

Back in March, I started a thread pertaining to an O'Reilly Factor interview with Dan Stein and another guy. The topic was the Ford Foundation and open borders. I know that I saved that link but now I can't find it. Is it possible that a link a be pulled right off my FR web site ? (Just wondering since this subject came up the other night).

44 posted on 07/21/2003 4:21:04 PM PDT by Missouri
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46 posted on 07/29/2003 2:22:53 PM PDT by gubamyster
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