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IRAQ/WMD: What did Clinton & Senate Dems know & when(HYPOCRISY=DEMS; SEE FOR YOURSELF)
Library of Congress ^ | 7/19/03 | Various Senators

Posted on 07/19/2003 4:10:41 PM PDT by Wolfstar

[ED. NOTE: Following are excerpts from the 1998 Congressional Record. They are EXTREMELY revealing as to who was wringing their hands over the danger posed to U.S. security by Iraq and its WMD just five years ago, and who was calling Iraq’s actions that year a "crisis." These debates led to passage of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, WHICH MADE REGIME CHANGE IN IRAQ UNITED STATES POLICY.

Please bear with this long post. It’s crucial ammunition for anyone who wants clear, unambiguous evidence of Democrat hypocrisy on Iraq and WMD.]

[BEGIN EXCERPTS: Click link above to search the full Congressional Record. Also note that, where used, bold and upper case emphasis is Wolfstar's.]

Feb. 4, 1998, Message from President Clinton to the Senate:
The PRESIDING OFFICER laid before the Senate the following message from the President of the United States...[The presidential message concluded with this assessment:]

The policies and actions of the Saddam Hussein regime continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States, as well as to regional peace and security. (Signed William J. Clinton, President of the United States)

Feb. 25, 1998, Tom DASCHLE:

[ED. NOTE: After Kofi Annan secured one more useless "agreement" with Hussein, Daschle took the floor to gush like a schoolgirl about that "achievement." The reader is advised to pay close attention to Daschle’s words here. This is a declarative statement. He does not use modifying words like "alleged" or "reported." What we should demand is an answer to what intelligence Daschle relied on when he declared that Iraq had not only chemical and biological weapons, but nuclear weapons and the missiles to deliver them.]

If fully implemented, this commitment will allow UNSCOM to fulfill its mission: First, to find and destroy all of Iraq’s chemical, biological and nuclear weapons; second, to find and destroy the missiles that could deliver these weapons; and, third, to institute a system for long-term monitoring to make sure Iraq doesn’t do it again.

The United States remains resolved to secure, by whatever means necessary, Iraq’s full compliance with its commitment to destroy its weapons of mass destruction. So again, it will be diplomacy backed up by force. So long as diplomacy works, force will not be necessary. At the very moment diplomacy appears not to be working, force will be employed. So, let there be no mistake. This is not a question of breathing room. This is not a question of simply delaying and somehow, then, obviating the need for the use of force should it be required. It will be there.

So, Mr. President, we have made great progress on paper over the last 72 hours.

[ED. NOTE: That "great progress" was just ducky, wasn’t it?! Hussein threw the inspectors out that same year and nothing was done about it until this year.]

Feb. 25, 1998, Bob KERREY:

Force, either our own or that of dissident Iraqis, will be required to remove this regime.

[ED. NOTE: Kerrey had an article from the Jan. 18, 1998 London Sunday Times read into the Record. Headline: "Saddam Tested Anthrax on Human Guinea Pigs," by Marie Colvin and Uzi Mahnaimi. The article included the following paragraphs:]

Evidence has emerged that Saddam Hussein...has had prisoners tied to stakes and bombarded with anthrax in brutal human experiments with his biological and chemical armory.

Dozens of prisoners are believed to have died in agony during a secret program of military research designed to produce potent NEW weapons of mass destruction.

Madeleine Albright...said Saddam was "tightening the noose around himself." She added, "By not letting this inspection team go forward, in almost a strange way it’s almost as if he has come close to saying, 'Okay, you caught me.' " [ED. NOTE: Was this woman worse than useless, or what?!]

[ED NOTE: Why do the Dems and their media shills need reminding that it was against this backdrop, and the subsequent 2001 hijackings/anthrax attacks on U.S. soil — indeed, attacks on the U.S. Capitol; the first since 1812 — that President Bush evaluated his options re the Hussein regime? Every single one of those scummy Dem presidential wannabes from the senate knows this, but that doesn’t prevent them from pretending to be outraged at phony claims that the Bush Administration "hyped" intelligence. Again, we ought to demand answers to what intelligence Clinton and company relied on in 1998 when they changed U.S. policy toward Iraq from one of containment to one of regime change. Check out Dorgan’s statements below:]

Mar. 12, 1998, Byron DORGAN:

Iraq possesses a chemical weapons program and a biological weapons program. Its chemical stockpile contained 40,000 chemical weapons munitions; 480,000 liters of chemical weapons agents; and 8 delivery systems.

Iraq’s biological weapons arsenal included 8,500 liters of anthrax; 19,000 liters of botulinum toxin; and 2,200 liters of alfatoxin. This program was in violation of the Biological Weapons Convention, to which Iraq is a party.

[ED NOTE: Dorgan presents exhibits in support of a call for an International War Crimes Tribunal for Iraq. The exhibits detail the crimes of Saddam Hussein and Iraqi leaders.]

The most enormous crime that Iraqi leaders have committed was the genocidal Anfal campaign against Kurds in rural areas of northern Iraq. Relying on over 300 interviews, field work in Iraqi Kurdistan, and forensic material, and using a captured cache of official Iraqi documents, Human Rights Watch has concluded that the Anfal campaign against Iraqi Kurds involved the "systematic, deliberate murder of at least 50,000, and possibly as many as 100,000, Kurds." The campaign involved the destruction of thousands of Kurdish villages, and the murder, disappearance, extermination by chemical weapons, or forcible resettlement of hundreds of thousands of Kurds.

[The third category is] Iraqi violations of treaties and UN resolutions.

These chemical weapons attacks, both in the war against Iran and internally against the people of Kurdistan, raise the issue of Iraq’s entire program to develop weapons of mass destruction — chemical, biological and nuclear weapons — and the means to deliver them. These weapons programs...show a continuing pattern of treaty violations and disregard for Security Council resolutions.

According to the [Clinton] Administration white paper, Iraq’s biological weapons activities included producing 8,500 liters of anthrax, 19,000 liters of botulinum toxin, and 2,200 liters of alfatoxin. Iraq also prepared biological weapons munitions, including 25 Scud missile warheads (5 anthrax, 16 botulinum toxin, 4 alfatoxin), 157 aerial bombs, and aerial dispensers. Iraq researched other ways of using biological weapons, including 155mm artillery shells, artillery rockets, a MiG-21 drone, and aerosol generators.

Lastly, Iraq has confessed to a nuclear weapons development program, but again only after Husayn Kamil’s defection in 1995. According to the white paper, "Iraq has admitted experimenting with seven uranium enrichment techniques..."

The Security Council has concluded that...Iraq’s weapons development activities are "material breaches of its obligations" under the cease-fire resolution; and Iraq’s failure to comply with the safeguards agreement "constitutes a breach of its international obligations" under the Nonproliferation Treaty.

[ED NOTE: It can’t be emphasized strongly enough that the UN Security Council declared Iraq to be in "material breach" five years ago. Yet that Leftist cabal led by Annan, Chriac and Schroeder refused to stand by its own findings while it was putting Bush and Blair through the wringer earlier this year. We ought to be demanding answers as to why. I am far, far more interested in learning the truth about this than I am about one sentence in the State of the Union speech.]

Mar. 12, 1998, Jesse HELMS:

Secretary Albright sent the message in its purest form: "Saddam does not have a menu of choices, he has one: Iraq must comply with the U.N. Security Council resolutions and provide U.N. inspectors with the unfettered access they need to do their job."

[ED NOTE: That’s the Clinton Administration for you — speak loudly and carry a wet noodle. Their neglect — yes, neglect — of foreign policy storm building on their watch should be one of the most profound scandals in American history. Yet they are getting a pass so far. Why?]

Mar. 12, 1998, Joe BIDEN:

No one should doubt for a moment the resolve of the United States to respond with force, if necessary, to Iraq’s continued flagrant violation of United Nations Security Council resolutions.

Vigorous diplomacy has been pursued over the past three months, but, thus far, Saddam Hussein has shown that he has no interest in a peaceful solution on anything other than his own terms. We cannot allow this tyrant to prevail over the will of the international community. Our national security would be seriously compromised by a failure to stand up to the challenge he has confronted us with.

Our strategic objective is to contain Saddam Hussein and curtail his ability to produce the most deadly weapons known to mankind...Left unchecked, Saddam Hussein would in short order be in a position to threaten and blackmail our regional allies, our troops, and, indeed, our nation.

[ED NOTE: So, Joe, want to explain to us why our national security would be seriously compromised in 1998 but not in 2003, post 9/11 and the anthrax attacks? Or do you need to plagiarize something before coming up with an answer?!]

Time has run out. If Iraq does not comply immediately and unconditionally with United Nations Security Council resolutions demanding unfettered access for U.N. weapons inspectors, I believe that President Clinton will have no choice but to order the use of air power. [ED. NOTE: Ironic, isn’t it, that time really ran out five years later under a different president.]

In recent weeks, several questions and criticisms have been raised with respect to President Clinton’s policy.

Questions have been asked about our objectives. The objectives have been defined precisely. They are to curtail and delay Saddam Hussein’s capacity to produce and deliver weapons of mass destruction and his ability to threaten his neighbors. [ED. NOTE: Not eliminate, but curtail and delay. Leave the mess for someone else to clean up.]

We should all hope for a genuine diplomatic solution to this stand-off, but no one should doubt our resolve to use force if it becomes necessary.

First and foremost, an Iraq left free to develop weapons of mass destruction would pose a grave threat to our national security. [ED NOTE: Again, one must ask the question why in 1998 but not in 2003?]

Mar. 12, 1998, Joe LIEBERMAN:

...there are ultimately times of conflict abroad that involve the vital interests of the United States, as the current situation in Iraq does, no Democrats, no Republicans, only Americans standing side by side in support of the Commander in Chief and all those Americans in uniform who serve under him.

That, I hope, is the message that will be heard in Baghdad, most importantly. If the Commander in Chief of the United States decides that military force is necessary to be employed against Iraq, the overwhelming majority of Members of the U.S. Senate will stand strongly behind him and behind those American personnel in uniform who will carry out that policy.

...though there may be disagreements in this Chamber on partisan lines, that, again, when challenged, when it comes to America’s vital interests abroad, we will stand together above party lines. [ED. NOTE: Yeah, right! Spin us another yarn, Joe. Seems that "standing together" stuff goes out the window when it gets in the way of your personal ambitions.]

...there are consequences, which is the threat that Saddam Hussein will use those weapons of mass destruction THAT WE KNOW HE HAS; that he will use the ballistic missile, the delivery system capacity to deliver those weapons of mass destruction that WE KNOW HE HAS IN RUDIMENT AND IS DEVELOPING EVEN FURTHER.

...Senator Daschle [said] — unlike other leaders in the world, including dictatorial leaders of rogue nations who possess weapons of mass destruction, this particular leader, Saddam Hussein, has used those weapons against his neighbor, Iran, in the Iran-Iraq war in the eighties, and against the Kurdish population of his own country.

[ED. NOTE: Hey, Leftists everywhere, here’s the answer to your snotty question as to why invade Iraq, but not North Korea!]

So our anger, our anxiety, our unease, our judgment that we have vital interests at stake is not theoretical. It is based on a course of behavior by this particular leader of this particular nation.

Today...consequences are even more devastating potentially...because the damage that can be inflicted by...Hussein and Iraq, under his leadership, with weapons of mass destruction is incalculable; it is enormous.

I think the [Clinton] administration has made clear...that its goals here are limited...These would be...attacks that are aimed at accomplishing what the inspections were supposed to accomplish...which is the diminution and ultimately the elimination of Iraq’s capacity to wage chemical, biological or nuclear war against its neighbors or ultimately anyone in the world.

What I and some of the Members of the Senate hope for is a longer-term policy based on the probability that an acceptable diplomatic solution is not possible, which acknowledges as the central goal the changing of the regime in Iraq to bring to power a regime with which we and the rest of the world can have trustworthy relationships.

Mar. 12, 1998, written statement by Carl LEVIN:

I want to express my support for President Clinton, in consultation with Congress and consistent with the United States Constitution and laws, taking necessary and appropriate actions to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.

Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction...and the means to deliver them are a menace to international peace and security. They pose a threat to Iraq’s neighbors, to U.S. forces in the Gulf region, to the world’s energy supplies, and to the integrity and credibility of the United Nations Security Council. [ED. NOTE: Ah, yes, Carl: there's that blood for oil you Leftist whine about these days.]

Sept. 29, 1998, Trent LOTT:

[ED. NOTE: Lott introduces the bill that, when later passed, becomes the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998.]

This is a bipartisan initiative. I am joined by Senator Kerrey of Nebraska, Senator McCain of Arizona, Senator Lieberman of Connecticut, Senator Helms of North Carolina, Senator Shelby of Alabama, Senator Brownback of Kansas, and Senator Kyl of Arizona.

Today is the 55th day without weapons inspections in Iraq. For months, I have urged the Administration to fundamentally change its policy on Iraq. Monitoring the concealment of weapons of mass destruction is not enough.

I have been working with a bipartisan group of Senators throughout much of the year to support a change in U.S. policy toward Iraq...It is time to openly state our policy goal is the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power.

[ED. NOTE: Lott formally calls up the bill. Among the reasons cited in the bill for this change in national policy is the following clause:]

(11) On Aug. 14, 1998, President Clinton signed Public Law 105-235, which declared that, "the Government of Iraq is in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations" [the law] urged the President, "to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations."

[ED. NOTE: The Iraq Liberation Act included the following section on national policy.]

SEC. 3. POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES.

It should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.

[ED. NOTE: This law passed overwhelmingly in 1998 and was signed into law by Clinton. Yet in the post-9/11, post anthrax-attacks world, in 2002-03 Dem senators reversed course and opposed the invasion of Iraq to effect that very regime change policy they had placed into U.S. law. Why? There is only one answer: Because a member of their party was not in the White House. They put raw partisan politics above the national well-being and are still doing so today.]

Sept. 29, 1998, Bob KERREY:

I spoke on Iraq on this floor last November and again in February, but Saddam Hussein is still in power, still threatening his neighbors and oppressing his people, so I must turn again to this topic. In fact, I will keep turning to it, joining my colleagues from both sides of the aisle, trying to change U.S. policy toward Iraq, because I cannot abide the idea of Saddam Hussein as the dictator of Iraq and I will never accept the status quo in Iraq. One of three things will happen...Saddam Hussein will lose his job, I will lose my job, or I will keep talking about him on this floor.

[ED. NOTE: Sure enough, Hussein outlasted Kerrey’s tenure in the Senate.]

Terrorism may or may not actually be on the rise, but terrorists have recently shown the intention and ability to attack American targets overseas. As we confront organizations like that of Usama bin Laden, we come face to face with people who will go to great efforts to kill Americans, and we react strongly. In the aftermath of events like the bombing of Khobar Towers or the two embassies in Africa, we naturally move terrorism to the forefront of our threat concerns.

[ED NOTE: Don't know which "we" Kerrey was talking about, since Clinton didn't do squat about terrorism during his eight-year term. So, as regards the threat posed by Usama bin Laden, what did Clinton and the Senate Dems know, and when did they know it? Hmmm...]

We know, most recently and unambiguously from the former U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter, that Iraq’s program to develop weapons of mass destruction continues. We know that more than 50 days have elapsed since the last UNSCOM weapons inspection. Almost two months of immunity have been granted to a regime which used chemical weapons on its own people, which seeks biological weapons, and which had an active and advanced nuclear weapons program...

It is strongly in America’s interest that Iraq’s neighbors and our allies in the region live in peace and security. That interest alone more than justifies a policy to change the Iraqi government. But there is an additional reason which ought to have particular resonance in the United States...I refer to the need to free the Iraqi people from one of the most oppressive dictatorships on earth.

We Americans, who have striven for more than two centuries to govern ourselves, should particularly feel the cruel anomaly which is the Iraqi government. In an age in which democracy is in the ascendant, in which democracy is universally recognized as a government’s seal of legitimacy, the continued existence of a Stalinist regime like the one in Baghdad should inspire us to action. Saddam Hussein rules by raw fear. In terms of absolutism, personality cult, and terror applied at every level of society, only North Korea rivals Iraq today...I refuse to accept it, and I want the United States to refuse to accept it. As I have said on this floor before, when Saddam’s prisons and secret police records and burial grounds are opened, when the Iraqis can at last tell their horrifying story to the international court which will try Saddam for his many crimes against his own people, we Americans will be proud we took this stand.

[ED. NOTE: Yeah, we Americans will be proud — everyone except the Left and it’s mouthpieces in Congress, the media, academia, and various political action groups, that is.]

Oct. 9, 1998, Carl LEVIN:

Today, along with Senators McCain, Lieberman, Hutchison and 23 other Senators, I am sending a letter to the President [Clinton] to express our concern over Iraq’s actions and urging the President "after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."

*As UN Secretary General Kofi Annan noted when he successfully negotiated the memorandum of agreement with...Hussein in February, "You can do a lot with diplomacy, but of course you can do a lot more with diplomacy backed up by fairness and force."

The letter was signed by 27 senators including the following Democrats: Breaux, Daschle, Dodd, Feinstein, Inouye, Johnson, (Bob) Kerrey, (John) Kerry, Landrieu, Lautenberg, Levin, Lieberman, Mikulski

[*ED. NOTE: Doesn’t Annan’s Feb. 1998 statement just take your breath away when contrasted with the behavior of Annan, Blix, and the international Left at the UN earlier this year?]


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To: Spunky
Great material, Spunky. Thanks for adding it to this thread. Got a suggestion: if you know of or come across anything Murray has said recently on WMD or the Iraq-Niger connection, compare and contrast with what she said back in '02. Then give her office a call and throw it all back in her face. As long as you don't use cuss words, and remain largely polite, don't be afraid to express your outrage in no uncertain terms. Let her know you are a constituent. Say soothing things like you always thought the Senator was fair [I know: gag, but a little honey...], so you are especially outraged that she's displaying such hypocrisy on a matter so vital to the nation's security. (I'm sure you get the idea.) Then try to get as many of your circle of family and friends as possible to make their own independent call to her office.
41 posted on 07/19/2003 8:52:08 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB — a truly great President — we're NUTS!)
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To: Wolfstar
Why O why must my printer be broken at this time?
42 posted on 07/19/2003 8:58:52 PM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Calpernia
In answer to your question below about what we can do: One thing is to post the information you just did (thank you for it). What else you do depends on how much time you have and what your personal inclinations are. You can use the material posted on this thread to:

These are just a few ideas. Others may have their own ideas. But you'd be surprised how effective comparatively simple, inexpensive, efforts like this can be. Like throwing a pebble in a stream and watching the ripples spread, even very modest grassroots efforts can have powerful effects. Especially if many of us are doing the same thing in localities all around the country.

43 posted on 07/19/2003 9:05:59 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB — a truly great President — we're NUTS!)
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To: Calpernia
Re #39/40, sorry. I answered you anyway.
44 posted on 07/19/2003 9:07:37 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB — a truly great President — we're NUTS!)
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To: Wolfstar
You're welcome. Free Republic is the best, but reading and commenting on this forum isn't enough. We all need to write letters, make phone calls and be as active as we can be - even if it's just once a month.
45 posted on 07/20/2003 5:17:43 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Wolfstar
Good job!

It will be put to good use.

46 posted on 07/20/2003 5:51:58 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (game on in 10 seconds....)
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To: Wolfstar
Very true.
47 posted on 07/20/2003 10:24:03 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Wolfstar
What great sleuthing! Here's hoping this thread runs 1000 posts!
48 posted on 07/20/2003 10:29:54 AM PDT by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: Humidston
Bump for those 1000 posts!
49 posted on 07/20/2003 11:43:17 AM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB — a truly great President — we're NUTS!)
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To: Howlin; ohioWfan
Pinging to spread the info.
50 posted on 07/20/2003 11:45:01 AM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB — a truly great President — we're NUTS!)
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To: OldFriend
BTTT
51 posted on 07/20/2003 2:29:45 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB — a truly great President — we're NUTS!)
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To: GOPJ; Pharmboy; reformed_democrat; RatherBiased.com; nopardons; Tamsey; SwatTeam; Timesink
FYI
52 posted on 07/20/2003 2:46:59 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB — a truly great President — we're NUTS!)
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To: Wolfstar
BTTT with a link to Sunday Morning's talk show thread discussion:

Democrat statements on Iraq and WMD

53 posted on 07/21/2003 3:06:59 PM PDT by CedarDave (The Dems look for a shadow on the brightest day, call it the dark of night and blame George W. Bush)
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To: CedarDave
Thanks, CedarDave. Got to keep the Dem hypocrisy and nationa-security-be-damned attitude on the front burner.
54 posted on 07/21/2003 4:45:22 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB — a truly great President — we're NUTS!)
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To: Wolfstar
Wow.. someone did their HOMEwork!!! Great job. Better keep this one for ammo!!

BRAVO!
55 posted on 07/21/2003 6:29:57 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (CNN: where " WE report what WE decide!!")
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Thanks. The more people who see this info, the better.
56 posted on 07/21/2003 7:58:41 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB — a truly great President — we're NUTS!)
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To: Wolfstar
Yeah, and info like this too!!

Subject: Spec Opns Email from Iraq


COL
wrote:

Language may be a bit off color to some and it is long. However, it is well worth the read. I recommend it.

Original message, which came from e-mail thread out of SOCOM (spec. ops command) in Tampa, it is from Army spec. ops

Subject: FW: Message From Iraq

It Ain't Necessarily So.
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003, 11:09:09 GMT

Hey Guys, sorry it's been so long since I've sent anything but a quick note to you individually. However things have been pretty hectic since the end of hostilities and the start of the real war. Despite what the assholes in the press like to say over and over about the Ba'ath Party and Feydaheen.
2) It isn't any worse than expected;
3) Things are getting better each day, and
4) The morale of the troops is A-1, except for the normal bitching and griping.

My brief love affair with the press, especially the guys who had the cajones to be embedded with the troops during the fighting, is probably over, especially since we are back being criticized by them same RolandHeadly types that used to hang around the Palestine Hotel drinking Baghdad Bob's whiskey and parroting his ridiculous B.S.

I'm in Baghdad now, since SpOpComm 5 relocated here from Qatar. It looks, sounds and smells about the same but at least you can get Maker's Mark at the local OC. We came up in mid-June to help set up operation Scorpion and Sidewinder. It represents a major (and long overdue) shift in tactics. Instead of being sitting ducks for the ragheads we now are going after
the worthless pieces of fecal matter. [OD NOTE: VERY understated!]

I'm no longer baby-sitting the pukes from CNN and the canned hams from the networks, but have a combat mission coordinating a bunch of A teams, seeking, finding and rooting out the mostly non-Iraqis that are well-armed, well-paid (in U.S. dollars) and always waiting to wail forthe press and then shoot some GI in the back in the midst of a crowd.

The only reason the GIs are pissed (not demoralized) is that they cannot touch, must less waste, those taunting bags of gas that scream in their faces and riot on cue when they spot a camera man from ABC, BBC, CBS, CNN or NBC. If they did, then they know the next nightly news will be about how chaotic things are and how much the Iraqi people hate us.

Some do. But the vast majority don't and more and more see that the GIs don't start anything, are by-and-large friendly, and very compassionate, especially to kids and old people. I saw a bunch of 19 year-olds fromthe 82nd Airborne not return fire coming from a mosque until they got a group of elderly civilians out of harm's way. So did the Iraqis.

A bunch of bad guys used a group of women and children as human shields.The GIs surrounded them and negotiated their surrender fifteen hours later and when they discovered a three year-old girl had been injured by the big tough guys throwing her down a flight of stairs, the GIs called in a MedVac helicopter to take her and her mother to the nearest field hospital. The Iraqis watched it all, and there hasn't been a problem inthat neighborhood since. How many such stories, and there are hundreds of them, never get reported in the fair and balanced press? You know, nada.

The civilians who have figured it out faster than anyone are the local teenagers.

They watch the GIs and try to talk to them and ask questions about America and Now wear wrap-around sunglasses, GAP T- shirts, Dockers (or even better Levis with the red tags) and Nikes (or Egyptian knock-offs, but with the "swoosh") and love to listen to AFN when the GIs play it on their radios.

They participate less and less in the demonstrations and help keep us informed when a wannabe bad-ass shows up in the neighborhood.

The younger kids are going back to school again, don't have to listen to some mullah rant about the Koran ten hours a day, and they get a hot meal.

They see the same GIs who man the corner checkpoint, helping clear the playground, install new swingsets and create soccer fields. I watched a bunch of kids playing baseball in one playground, under the supervision of a couple of GIs from Oklahoma. They weren't very good but were having fun, probably more than most Little Leaguers

The place is still a mess but most of it has been for years. But the Hospitals are open and are in the process of being brought into the 21stCentury. The MOs and visiting surgeons from home are teaching their docs new techniques and One American pharmaceutical company (you know, the kind that all the hippies like to scream about as greedy) donated enough medicine to stock 45 hospital pharmacies for a year.
> Safe water is more available.
> Electricity has been restored to pre-war levels but saboteurs keep cutting the lines. And The old Ba'ath big shots are upset because they can't get fuel for their private generators. One actually complained to General McKeirnan, who told him it was a rough world.
>
> The MPs are screening the 80,000 Iraqi police force and rehabbing the ones that weren't goons, shake-down artists or torturers like they did in East Berlin, Kosovo and Afghanistan.
> There are dual patrols of Iraqi cops and U.S./U.K./Polish MPs now in most of the larger cities.
> Basra has 3.5 million inhabitants.
> Mosul is a city of 2 million.
> Kirkuk has 1 million.
> How many and hundreds of other small towns have not had riots or shootings? The vast majority.
>
> The six U.K. cops were killed in a small Shiite town by the ex-cops they were re-habbing.
> According to a Royal Marine colonel I talked to, the town now has about twenty permanent vacancies in its police force.
> Mick, he's a big potato eater from Belfast named Huggins and knows how to handle terrorists after twenty years fighting with the IRA. He sends his regards and says he'd love to have you here. Thinks you'd make a great police chief, even though the cops would be more frightened of you than the local hoods (then he laughed)
>
> I heard one doofus on MSNBC the other night talk about how "nearly 60" GIs have been killed since 01 May. The truth is that 21 GIs have been killed in combat, mostly from ambush, from 01 May through 30 June, Another 29 have been killed by accidents or other causes (two drowned while swimming in the Tigris).
>
> The [MSNBC turd] is the same jerk who reported on the air that "dozens of GIs" were badly burned when two RPGs hit a truck belonging to an Engineer Battalion that was parked by a construction site. The truck was hit and burned, three GIs received minor injuries (including the driver who burnt his hand) and three warriors of Allah were promptly sent to enjoy their 72 slave girls in Paradise. Hell of a way to get laid.
>
> A mosque in that shithole Fallujah blew up this morning while the local
> imam, a creep named Fahlil (who was one of the biggest local loudmouths that frequently appeared on CNN) was helping a Syrian Hamas member teach eight teenagers how to make belt bombs. Right away the local Feyhadeen propaganda group started wailing that the Americans hit it with a TOW missile (If they had there wouldn't have been any mosque left!) and the usual suspects took to the streets for CNN and BBC. One fool was dragging around a piece of tin with blood on it, claiming it was part of the missile.
>
> The cameras rolled and the idiot started repeating his story, then one of my guys asked him in Arabic where he had left the rag he usually wore around his face that made him look like a girl. He was a local leader of the Feyhadeen. We took the clown in custody and were asked rather indignantly by the twit from BBC if we were trying to shut up "the poor man who had seen his mosque and friends blown up." I told the airy-fairy who the raghead was and if he knew Arabic (which he obviously didn't) he'd know he was a Palestinian. I suggested we take him down to the local jail and we'd lock him and his cameraman in a cell with the "poor man" and they could interview him until we took him to headquarters. They declined the invitation.
> Guess what played on the Bullshit Broadcasting System that evening? Did the
> Americans blow up a mosque? See the poor man who is still in a state of shock over losing his mosque and relatives? Yep. Our friend the
> Palestinian.
>
> Our search and destroy missions are largely at night, free of reporters and
> generally terrifying to those brave warriors of Allah. The only thing that frightens them more is hearing the word "Gitmo". The word is out that a trip to Guantanimo Bay is not a Caribbean vacation and they usually start squealing like the little mice they are, when an interrogator mentions "Gitmo". No wonder the International Red Cross, the National Council of Churches and the French keep protesting about the place. They know it has proven to be very effective in keeping several hundred real fanatical psychopaths in check and very frankly would rather see them cut loose to go kill some more GIs or innocent Americans, just to make W. look bad.
>
> We have about 200 really bad guys in custody now and probably will park them in the desert behind a triple roll of razor wire, backed up by a couple of Bradleys pointed their way, if they decide to riot. Maybe a few will get to Gitmo but most are human garbage that wouldn't take on your five-year old grandson face-to-face. The more we go after them and not vice-versa I think we will see the sniper attacks go down. Yeah, they'll get lucky now and then, but it's showtime, fellows.
>
> Our first objective is to get the die-hards off the street (or make them too
> scared to come out in them) and destroy their caches of weapons (we have
> collected more than 227,000 A-47s and that is only the tip of the iceburg;
> Curly bought nearly a million of them from our pal Vladimir), then cut off
> their money supply, mostly from Syria and Lebanon. We must continue to get
> public services up and running, so the local families can get water, sewage
> and garbage service; electricity, public transportation; oil fields and
> refineries working and a dinar that won't halve in value every month.
>
> It's going to be a long haul (remember it took 10-15 years in Japan and West
> Germany) but if we don't stick with it, nobody else will, and we'll have
> some other looney running the place again.
>
> This place has greater potential than Saudi Arabia (bunch of goat-herders
> who struck black gold) or Iran (weird dudes who can't run a rug bazaar much
> less a major country).
>
> Armageddon, here we come. Remember, it's located on the outskirts of
> Jerusalem.
>
> Enough of that cheery speculation.
> The good news is that General Schoonmaker is going to appointed ChiefArmy
> and the old man is coming to Tampa to run the SpOps desk at CentComm. He's
> tops and will be getting his second star. To me it means that SpOps will be
> more predominant in future operations and after 18 years as a GB maybe I'll
> have a shot at a bird-level combat command. The old man asked me to come to
> MacDill and be his ACS but I told him after I spent four months changing the
> diapers of the media types, I wanted to go back to action. Hence, my
> current gig. As the movie quoted old General Patton, "God help me, I love
> it." I do. Nothing more satisfying than working with the BEST damn soldiers
> in the world, flushing real human poop down the drain and giving some folks
> a chance at trying freedom for a change. They may learn to like it and then
> my great-great-grandson won't have to worry about some maniac trying to
> destroy the planet.
>
> My tour is over at the end of August, and I plan to return to Tampa, brief
> the old man, then head to San Rafael and see my two sweethearts. I'd like
> to visit my parents in Toronto and my brother in London, before taking on a
> trip across the country. Just like any other family. It will charge my
> batteries before I end up back in some other shit ... er, interesting and
> challenging location. I hope to see most of you and ask for some advice,
> not support. I know I've had that all along. Thanks.
>
> Now about that Maker's Mark.
> God Bless America
> Mark.
>
> "War doesn't determine who wins, war determines who is left"




De Oppresso Liber - RLTW!

57 posted on 07/21/2003 11:45:32 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (CNN: where " WE report what WE decide!!")
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To: Wolfstar
Good work, great advice, and time WE get off our collective duffs and do something besides typing to FR.
58 posted on 07/21/2003 11:47:25 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Wolfstar
Great post, Wolfstar!
59 posted on 07/22/2003 12:07:20 AM PDT by windchime
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Wow! Thanks for giving us such useful insight into what at least some of our guys over there are thinking.
60 posted on 07/22/2003 9:57:09 AM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB — a truly great President — we're NUTS!)
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