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Should NASA put shuttle debris on public display?
Associated Press | 7/20/03 | AP

Posted on 07/20/2003 3:08:37 PM PDT by hemogoblin

CAPE CANAVERAL — NASA officials are delicately seeking advice about what to do with the 84,000 shattered pieces from Columbia, cautiously broaching the idea of putting some shuttle parts on display.

There are mixed feelings among the survivors of the astronauts.

“It touches everybody who sees it,” said Jonathan Clark, husband of astronaut Laurel Clark. “It has a tremendous impact on you. It makes you realize the importance of space exploration.”

Kirstie McCool Chadwick, sister of pilot Willie McCool, said she supports the debris being used for research, but “I don’t know what the purpose of displaying it in public would be. I’m not sure that it makes sense to me.”

Officials from several cities have written NASA asking for pieces of Columbia for their own memorials, and curators at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum in Washington have been holding informal discussions with the space agency.

A decision may come by the end of this month. For now, the debris is spread on the floor of a hangar at the Kennedy Space Center. It will remain there until the end of August when the Columbia Accident Investigation Board is expected to issue its report on the cause of the disaster. The shuttle broke apart over Texas on Feb. 1, killing all seven astronauts.

“One thing we’re not going to do, which was done with the Challenger, is lock it up and bury it and pretend that it didn’t happen,” NASA administrator Sean O’Keefe said recently.

Curators at the Smithsonian museum plan to review the debris to see what pieces they may be interested in acquiring.

“Initially, we wouldn’t have plans for it to go on display, only to collect it for preservation as historic artifact,” said Valerie Neal, a space history curator at the museum. “What we might do in the future, I just don’t know.”

The pieces from Challenger were put into two abandoned missile silos at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station after the 1986 disaster.

Whoever exhibits any pieces of Columbia is going to have to be careful, said curators experienced with collecting debris from disasters.

“It’s not just the objects that are sensitive. It’s the issue behind them that’s sensitive,” said Sarah Henry, vice president of programs at the Museum of the City of New York, which has remnants from the Sept. 11 attacks. “The way you display objects can either exacerbate that sensitivity or be respectful of that.” NASA has also sought guidance on handling the makeshift memorials of flowers and cards left outside its facilities. Joel Walker, NASA’s acting director of center operations directorate, talked with officials at the Oklahoma City National Museum, which honors the 168 people who died in the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building.

In May, NASA sent out a letter to academics and industry researchers asking for research proposals and suggestions on how best to preserve and manage the debris from Columbia.

The space agency has received about 20 proposals from researchers, said Mike Leinbach, shuttle launch director who oversaw the assembly of the debris in Florida. NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center in Alabama will be given pieces of debris to study fracture mechanics and overheating. The University of Rhode Island is leading a group of universities that want debris for teaching purposes, to demonstrate to engineers in training how the metal on the shuttle was stressed.

Whatever decisions are made about the debris, Barbara Anderson, mother of Columbia astronaut Michael Anderson, said she hopes the pieces are treated with the reverence they deserve.

“To me it’s more than just a piece of metal,” she said. “It represents their lives, their souls.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: columbia; columbiatragedy; disaster; display; nasa; shuttle; shuttledebris; spaceshuttle; turass
I think displaying it would be a good idea, but that's just IMHO.
1 posted on 07/20/2003 3:08:37 PM PDT by hemogoblin
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To: hemogoblin
I'd rather see a display of original designs vs PC designs.

Such as freon foam vs EPA approved foam and asbestos O-rings vs. PC O-rings. A look-up table of physical properties might also be instructive.

2 posted on 07/20/2003 3:10:58 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear....)
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To: hemogoblin
Display of OV-102 debris in memorials is appropriate.

NASA should create guidelines for display now and "loan" materials to organizations with plans. Thus, if the display is not suitable, they can always stop the loan of the debris.
3 posted on 07/20/2003 3:15:00 PM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: AdamSelene235
Should NASA put shuttle debris on public display?

Yes.

Bump to your reply. We gotta stop this PC environmentalcasesists! Bump to the heroes of the flight that died because of the enviro-whacks!

FMCDH

4 posted on 07/20/2003 3:16:00 PM PDT by nothingnew (the pendulum swings and the libs are in the pit)
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To: hemogoblin
“One thing we’re not going to do, which was done with the Challenger, is lock it up and bury it and pretend that it didn’t happen,” NASA administrator Sean O’Keefe said recently.

Amen to THAT! The encasing of the Challenger's remains in a concrete-covered bunker ranks among the WORST things NASA administration has ever done.

The remains of the shuttle should be displayed. We cannot afford to forget our losses, lest we be condemned to repeat them.

5 posted on 07/20/2003 3:19:15 PM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (Threaten me? That's life. Threaten my loved ones? That's death.)
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To: hemogoblin
I think it is a great idea! Put up the pieces for display, along with a continuous loop of their screams as they burned to death! That would get the visitors in!
6 posted on 07/20/2003 3:19:18 PM PDT by Houmatt (In case you could not tell, I was being sarcastic.)
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To: hemogoblin
Short answer to the qustion,NO !!!!!!!!
7 posted on 07/20/2003 3:29:46 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Houmatt
Kind of like James Dean's Porsche. It could travel the country, being displayed at local carnivals. They could charge $7 a person to view the remains.
8 posted on 07/20/2003 3:29:56 PM PDT by opinionator
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To: Jay D. Dyson
That really is unbelievable. Tossing it into the trash basically.
9 posted on 07/20/2003 3:31:02 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: Monty22
That really is unbelievable. Tossing it into the trash basically.

If memory serves, that travesty was committed under Dan Goldin. That screwhead was the worst administrator that NASA ever had, bar none.

Sean O'Keefe, on the other hand, has been great. A real upstanding guy. I trust he'll do the right thing.

-Jay

10 posted on 07/20/2003 3:37:07 PM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (Threaten me? That's life. Threaten my loved ones? That's death.)
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To: Mears
Short answer to the qustion,NO !!!!!!!!

Why not? I don't see such a thing as any different than the viewing platform afforded to those who wishes to visit the ruins of the World Trade Center in the months following 9/11.

-Jay

11 posted on 07/20/2003 3:39:45 PM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (Threaten me? That's life. Threaten my loved ones? That's death.)
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To: opinionator
James Dean's car?

I don't think so.

12 posted on 07/20/2003 3:41:23 PM PDT by Houmatt (In case you could not tell, I was being sarcastic.)
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To: Jay D. Dyson
That was done so people could pay their proper respects. Not for the morbid.
13 posted on 07/20/2003 3:43:00 PM PDT by Houmatt (In case you could not tell, I was being sarcastic.)
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To: Jay D. Dyson
The WTC site was available for all to see because it happened in a public place and the platform was built for safety reasons and to contain the crowd.

I don't want to see shuttle debris on display anymore than I want to see the debris from fatal plane,train,bus and car crashes.
14 posted on 07/20/2003 3:58:23 PM PDT by Mears
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To: opinionator
That's how I see it too. Thank you. Something like "Smelly Dave" where a dead whale (Dave) was put on a flat car (train) and sent all over the country so folks could see what a whale looked like. Not only could they see what it looked like, they could also smell it coming from far off. Was that a Stan Freeberg (sp?) recording?
15 posted on 07/20/2003 4:05:51 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Mears
Ref post 14. That is correct. Same here.
16 posted on 07/20/2003 4:15:13 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Houmatt
That was done so people could pay their proper respects. Not for the morbid.

I think the display of the shuttle remains could be done in the same vein as the WTC ruins were. But eh...to each their own.

-Jay

17 posted on 07/20/2003 4:16:55 PM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (Threaten me? That's life. Threaten my loved ones? That's death.)
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To: hemogoblin
A piece or pieces of Columbia should be displayed in EVERY MEETING ROOM at EVERY NASA and NASA contractor company.

When decisions are being made, the decision makers should be reminded of the consequences of their actions or inactions.

18 posted on 07/20/2003 4:20:53 PM PDT by FReepaholic (My other tag line is hilarious.)
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To: tscislaw
Excellent idea. I'll go along with that.
19 posted on 07/20/2003 4:22:36 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: tscislaw
you get my vote for idea of the day!!!!
20 posted on 07/20/2003 4:25:59 PM PDT by Mr. K (mwk_14059 on yahoo Instant Messenger)
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To: Jay D. Dyson
I think the display of the shuttle remains could be done in the same vein as the WTC ruins were.

Actually, that is hardly a comparison.

With the shuttle, you still had bodies to bury. People can pay their respects by visiting the cemeteries where the astronauts are buried.

Not so with the World Trade Center. For the vast majority of the 3,000 who died there, their bodies were shredded (I am sure you heard about the piece of pelvic bone found on a rooftop blocks away from Ground Zero). In those cases, there was nothing to bury at all. That is why people went there to pay their respects, because for all intents and purposes, it was the final resting place for so many in the aftermath of 9-11-01.

21 posted on 07/20/2003 4:26:18 PM PDT by Houmatt ("Best that we can do is alert people there to LP and the truth that FR has fallen."--TLBSHOW)
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To: Mears
The WTC site was available for all to see because it happened in a public place and the platform was built for safety reasons and to contain the crowd.

I do believe you're correct about the safety and containment aspect, but I don't believe for a second that such is the whole of it.

Moreover, inasmuch as the WTC ruins were in a public arena, so the shuttle remains are also within the public domain; especially considering that the tragedy unfolded not within just one state, but practically across the entire continental United States.

I don't want to see shuttle debris on display anymore than I want to see the debris from fatal plane,train,bus and car crashes.

That's your choice and I respect that. All the same, I think it is vital that people remember -- in as vivid terms as possible -- that space exploration is NOT without risk.

All too often the general public lives under the perception that space exploration is a "safe" and "easy" thing. I believe the only way to overcome that illusion is to put on display the very real tragedies that we have suffered in the quest toward outer space.

That means we should display the Apollo I command module. We should display the remains of Challenger. And we should display the remains of Columbia.

To keep such very real tragedies limited to a two-dimensional abstract rendered in poor videotape footage is to dishonor the 17 brave souls who gave their lives in the pursuit of human space exploration.

-Jay

22 posted on 07/20/2003 4:29:23 PM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (Threaten me? That's life. Threaten my loved ones? That's death.)
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To: tscislaw
A piece or pieces of Columbia should be displayed in EVERY MEETING ROOM at EVERY NASA and NASA contractor company.

When decisions are being made, the decision makers should be reminded of the consequences of their actions or inactions.

I'm hip to that.

For my own part, I kept a few mission patches from the ill-fated Challenger mission. In my line of work, I considered it a "trump card" when dealing with people who didn't take their job seriously.

Whenever I was pushed to cut corners and place expediency over accuracy, I would pull out the mission patch, toss it on the conference table and simply say, "Are you willing to sign off on that?" (this one typically accompanied by my "Don't Screw With Me" glare).

It had a way of shutting them up.

-Jay

23 posted on 07/20/2003 4:37:51 PM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (Threaten me? That's life. Threaten my loved ones? That's death.)
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To: Jay D. Dyson
>>...Whenever I was pushed to cut corners and place expediency over accuracy, I would pull out the mission patch, toss it on the conference table and simply say, "Are you willing to sign off on that?" (this one typically accompanied by my "Don't Screw With Me" glare)...<<

Good job.

Too bad NASA management didn't have more people in their ranks with that attitude.

24 posted on 07/20/2003 4:43:16 PM PDT by FReepaholic (My other tag line is hilarious.)
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To: Jay D. Dyson
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
25 posted on 07/20/2003 4:43:33 PM PDT by Mears
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To: tscislaw; XBob
I like your idea.

I was the assistant launch test conductor for...STS-76 I think it was. My job was to build the bar charts for the launch countdown.

In the final review meeting with one of the astronauts (Eileen Collins, IIRC), I pointed out that the payload timeline didn't match the orbiter timeline, and requested that the "junk-in-the-trunk" guys correct their bar chart.

My boss shouted me down and said it didn't matter.

I wanted to stand up and say that the changes didn't cost anybody anything, and that everybody in the room should accept nothing less than the best work they could do.

But it would have cost me my job, so I didn't.

26 posted on 07/20/2003 4:51:40 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: snopercod
>>...But it would have cost me my job, so I didn't...<<

BINGO! I experienced that first hand when I worked at KSC.

I worked for a NASA/Air Force contractor and management had the "don't rock the boat" syndrome.

However, I'm the kind of guy that when I see something that's wrong or needs fixing, I speak out. Me and management butted heads for years.

They didn't like me but I had union seniority and their hands were tied.

I continued to voice my opinions about some bone-headed stuff they were doing over the years.

In 1998 the contract changed hands and some members of management jumped to the new company. Well needless to say I was not hired. THey got their revenge.

But that's ok. I have no regrets

27 posted on 07/20/2003 5:07:17 PM PDT by FReepaholic (My other tag line is hilarious.)
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To: tscislaw
>>A piece or pieces of Columbia should be displayed in EVERY MEETING ROOM at EVERY NASA and NASA contractor company.
When decisions are being made, the decision makers should be reminded of the consequences of their actions or inactions.<<

Great idea bump.
28 posted on 07/20/2003 5:09:08 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: hemogoblin
NO! We have too many goulish, time wasteing fools in our society as it is....why encourage them.
29 posted on 07/20/2003 5:09:43 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Dump Wesley Clark......maybe Clinton will follow)
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To: Jay D. Dyson
Ref post 23. I love hearing things like that! You are very special.
30 posted on 07/20/2003 5:10:21 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Jay D. Dyson
Ref post 23. I love hearing things like that! You are very special.
31 posted on 07/20/2003 5:11:07 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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Sorry for the double post. Something is very slow here. I punched the post button again thinking nothing had happened.
32 posted on 07/20/2003 5:20:45 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: All
There was a traveling display of several 9/11 items that came to our town recently, including a damaged fire truck, twisted beams from the WTC, and debris from Flight 93, along with other things. They were displayed with respect. The beams from the WTC were signed by firefighters and many others. I see no reason certain items and components from the Shuttle could not be displayed in a museum with similar respect.
33 posted on 07/20/2003 5:41:54 PM PDT by tbrosz
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To: hemogoblin
I agree. Any money collected should go into a fund for the benefit of the astronauts' families.
34 posted on 07/20/2003 6:17:57 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: tscislaw; snopercod
good idea, hang a piece as a 'mobile' over the NASA senior managment's conference table.

There is already a nice memorial built, near headquarters building at KSC. It has 'stars' for each dead astronaut, and room and provisions to new ones to be added.

I wonder if NASA management even knows that, or has ever seen it?
35 posted on 07/21/2003 4:11:24 AM PDT by XBob
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