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MSNBC: Alleged (Kobe Byrant) Victim seen bragging at a party 3 days later
MSNBC.COM ^ | 7/22/03 | MSNBC

Posted on 07/22/2003 8:20:57 AM PDT by Smogger

I just saw it on MSNBC. They said she was at a party a week ago, 3 days before Kobe was charged.

They said she was drinking (consumption by a minor) and playing cards, and was bragging about.....(MSNBC took out the audio at the end of sentence)

The story was confirmed by 5 people at separate places and times who were at the party and all gave a similar account of what happened.

When asked how the girl looked, the guy interviewed said she looked happy. Everyone was shocked to see her at the party given the incident.

I think someone may have even asked how hung was Kobe upon which she described with hand gestures. She seemed to be bragging according to a friend, but said she couldn't tell them what happened that night.

This just keeps getting better and better...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: cokeheads; devolved; haddonliars; kobebryant; lakers; oj2; rape; rkriotsagain; rolemodels; snowman
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1 posted on 07/22/2003 8:20:58 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger
One I don't believe it. Two is a girl's life fair game for every crappy thing people want to say. And again we will have a horrid thread on FR with Kobe believers and Kobe non-believers all repeating whatever rumor they heard, whatever speculation they want to present as truth, whatever their "experience" and prejudice they wanta spout. Can we cool this and talk about uday and oursay?? Anything but yellowcake.
2 posted on 07/22/2003 8:23:23 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Smogger
The LA spin machine in action. I wonder if any of these people will come forward or just remain nameless.
3 posted on 07/22/2003 8:24:02 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Smogger
BTW, I'm wondering where the NAACP and the Mullah Jackson are and why none of them have bothered to lift a finger to come to Kobe's defense.
4 posted on 07/22/2003 8:24:29 AM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: Smogger
Were these people shocked at seeing Kobe and his wifey partying away at the ESPY awards the other night. All smiles and happy as tho he didn't lie to his team, and cheat on his wife.
5 posted on 07/22/2003 8:25:25 AM PDT by OldFriend ((Dems inhabit a parallel universe))
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To: AppyPappy
The LA spin machine in action. I wonder if any of these people will come forward or just remain nameless.

So far the "LA Spin Machine" is full of Coloradan's from Eagle Colorado. So get off it.

6 posted on 07/22/2003 8:26:28 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: cajungirl
Two is a girl's life fair game for every crappy thing people want to say.

If it's true um yes.

7 posted on 07/22/2003 8:27:10 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger
Most of the stories are coming from LA.
8 posted on 07/22/2003 8:27:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: cajungirl; AppyPappy
Sorry, but this girls life is what it is, and right now, it is open for intense scrutiny, for these particular kinds of things...

IMHO the most damning thing that has been said about this girl, and this case was said on TV yesterday by Her Best friend.....

I was watching, not transcribing, but she said something to the effect that, though Kobe seems like a nice guy and everything she is (this is a quote), "Leaning towards believing" her......

Leaning?!?!?!?!? this from someone that has had a good deal of contact with the alleged victim, and seen whatever on the body physical evidence is said to exist? And she is Not Convinced?

IMHO that is a real problem.

9 posted on 07/22/2003 8:30:54 AM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: AppyPappy
not the one above.
10 posted on 07/22/2003 8:31:18 AM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: AppyPappy
Most of the stories are coming from LA.

That's a nice assertion, but you have nothing to support it, and I can't point to dozens and articles and television interviews that concern the alleged victim and the source for ALL of them are "friends", classmates, and townies in Eagle Colorado.

11 posted on 07/22/2003 8:32:14 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger
I think someone may have even asked how hung was Kobe upon which she described with hand gestures.

One hand or two?

12 posted on 07/22/2003 8:32:18 AM PDT by dead
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To: sinkspur
PING You've got to hear this one.
13 posted on 07/22/2003 8:32:23 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: Smogger
If rape were decriminalized, women would behave differently. They probably would be reluctant to go into hotel rooms with strange men. It might lead to more decorous, demure and lady-like behavior on the part of the women and I think that would be an improvement.

Of course, that's only the half of it. Probably a lot of women would suffer if rape were decriminalized because a lot of men would change their behavior -- some fairly decent chaps would begin behaving in indecent ways. What's to stop them? Which leads to the next change:

Concealed carry for women and changes in self-defense laws. This would change men's behavior. Would a man go into a hotel room with a strange woman? Nope. She could just shoot him and claim attempted rape. Lotta wackos in the world, and men would not take too many chances. This would lead to more gentlemanly behavior on the part of the men-folk and I think that would be an improvement.

14 posted on 07/22/2003 8:33:08 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: Smogger
Let's see...The National Enquirer comes to town and tells you they'll give you $20,000 to give you dirt about this girl, and you'll remain anonymous. Hmmm....
15 posted on 07/22/2003 8:33:20 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: Smogger
If Kobe and this girl had driven off a cliff somewhere in Colorado that night (regardless of whether she was there of her own free will or if she had been abducted), would anything really be any different today?
16 posted on 07/22/2003 8:33:28 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Smogger
I think KObe and this girl deserve each other.
What goes around comes around!
Ops4 God BLess America!
17 posted on 07/22/2003 8:33:58 AM PDT by OPS4
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To: cajungirl
First, I don't know if these statements are true or not. Time will tell. But if these people show up at trial and swear under oath that this woman said and did these things, then it's over. No jury would ever convict. And rightfully so.

As to your second point, when a woman makes an accusation of rape, ever aspect of her life which is arguably relevant to the accusations which she has made is, to use your words, "fair game." And bragging about her experience, if she did, is certainly relevant and very damning to the case which is being prosecuted in her name.
18 posted on 07/22/2003 8:34:43 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: ClearCase_guy
Neal Boortz proposed yesterday, because of the high percentage of rape allegations that are false that a law should be passed that if you accuse someone of rape falsely, you go to jail for the amount of time the wrongly accused would have served if convicted.

I like the idea and fully support it. And I would extend it to hate crimes as well.

19 posted on 07/22/2003 8:36:00 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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I'm wondering where the NAACP and the Mullah Jackson are and why none of them have bothered to lift a finger to come to Kobe's defense.

Hot potato, no money, hot potato, no money...

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20 posted on 07/22/2003 8:36:30 AM PDT by mhking
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To: dead
One hand or two?

Just damn.

21 posted on 07/22/2003 8:37:09 AM PDT by mhking
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To: ClearCase_guy
You're joking, right? If so, it's a bad joke. If not, you've got a major screw loose.
22 posted on 07/22/2003 8:37:29 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: onyx; honeygrl; Smogger; sinkspur; Howlin; Carolinamom
Ping.
23 posted on 07/22/2003 8:37:54 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger
Could you point me to the "bragging"?
24 posted on 07/22/2003 8:37:56 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: mhking
If she were devious enough to pull off this frolic on the sheets in order to get in Bryants pocketbook, why would she do something stoopid like this?
25 posted on 07/22/2003 8:38:15 AM PDT by dwilli
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To: Iwo Jima
If not, you've got a major screw loose.

Not even locktite will help.

26 posted on 07/22/2003 8:38:58 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: ClearCase_guy
If rape were decriminalized,

C'mon. You're reaching waaaaay out on a limb there.

27 posted on 07/22/2003 8:39:10 AM PDT by mhking
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To: dwilli
From what I can tell, it doesn't sound like she did it to get in Bryant's pocket. It sounds like she's mentally unstable and desperate for attention.
28 posted on 07/22/2003 8:39:56 AM PDT by LanPB01
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Did anybody happen to listen to KFI yesterday afternoon? In the course of discussing Kobe two female callers insisted that black men have "very large penises" and would "tear up" any "little white girls" like this accuser. I couldn't believe it.

The second one said she didn't want to discuss her personal matters with an audience of thousands but that her husband was "hung like a horse."
29 posted on 07/22/2003 8:40:09 AM PDT by lainie
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To: Hildy
Let's see...The National Enquirer comes to town and tells you they'll give you $20,000 to give you dirt about this girl, and you'll remain anonymous. Hmmm....

1. The Enquirer would never goto press without 2 sources.

2. The sources weren't anonymous. They gave their names on the interview. They showed them on the interview. I just didn't catch their names. None of the townspeople that I have seeen give interviews have been "anonymous"

3. The Enquirer would be much more interested in digging up dirt on the celebrity in this case (Kobe) then the alleged victim.

30 posted on 07/22/2003 8:40:23 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: dwilli
why would she do something stoopid like this?

I think "stupid" is the operative word for all parties involved in this. I don't think anyone of these folks are Mensa candidates by any stretch...

31 posted on 07/22/2003 8:40:25 AM PDT by mhking
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To: hobbes1
You're right. This woman's best friends are trashing her and her case. It makes you wonder what she is like, under the "birds of a feather" theory. And it really makes you wonder about young people today. They seem so self-centered and maniuplative.
32 posted on 07/22/2003 8:41:02 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: Smogger
The story was confirmed by 5 people at separate places and times who were at the party and all gave a similar account of what happened.

How much were these tabloid-style witnesses paid? Were they under oath?
This "separate places and times" detail sounds like a nice touch of credibility considering all of them are as likely to be as compromised in the credibility department as they claim she is....
The reporter and "news" outlets who employed such a silly tactic to legitimize teenage party gossip are no more credible than the gossipers....

33 posted on 07/22/2003 8:42:14 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Phantom Lord
...(I)f you accuse someone of rape falsely, you go to jail for the amount of time the wrongly accused would have served if convicted....

Of course, the accuser would have to be shown to have accused falsely beyond a reasonable doubt. Mere aquittal of the accused would not be sufficient proof of a false accusation, since our system recognizes that many guilty people will never be convicted.

34 posted on 07/22/2003 8:42:21 AM PDT by gridlock (Remember, PC Kills.)
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To: Smogger
3. The Enquirer would be much more interested in digging up dirt on the celebrity in this case (Kobe) then the alleged victim.

Wanna bet? Mike Walker (Enquirer editor) will go after any side of the story, as long as it's juicy. I'm sure he's got someone digging for just as much dirt on her as on him.

35 posted on 07/22/2003 8:42:27 AM PDT by mhking
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To: jwalsh07
LOL!
36 posted on 07/22/2003 8:42:32 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: Smogger
Nuts and sluts, round 2.
37 posted on 07/22/2003 8:43:32 AM PDT by wasp69 (The time has come.......)
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To: Smogger
This just keeps getting better and better...

I think this case is much more fun to speculate upon because we really have no idea what happened. I'm thinking the D.A. must have some pretty solid stuff, because stuff like this is going to continue up to, and during, the trial.

38 posted on 07/22/2003 8:43:32 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: lainie
and don't forget that she once rented Mandingo at Blockbusters...
39 posted on 07/22/2003 8:43:38 AM PDT by ken5050 (ann coulter NEEDS to have kids ASAP....her gene pool has to be passed on.....any volunteers?)
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To: mhking
Wanna bet? Mike Walker (Enquirer editor) will go after any side of the story, as long as it's juicy. I'm sure he's got someone digging for just as much dirt on her as on him.

Agreed. But we already have plenty of dirt on her. So far no one has been able to come up with a "smoking gun" in Kobe's past. I am sure they are feverishly looking. If I were them I would be.

40 posted on 07/22/2003 8:44:39 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger
I heard she was killed in a raid on an Iraq villa...
41 posted on 07/22/2003 8:44:48 AM PDT by CaptainJustice
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To: mhking
The friend's name isn't Tawana by any chance, is it?
42 posted on 07/22/2003 8:45:15 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: Phantom Lord
What about a victim of a rapist that is acquitted? Does she go to jail too just because the DA was unable to do his job well enough or because the rapist was able to afford a big shot attorney to twist and distort the case enough to raise "reasonable doubt"?

Such a system would do quite a lot to discourage rape victims from reporting the crimes.
43 posted on 07/22/2003 8:46:15 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: ken5050
I heard she can't stop watching "Jungle Fever," then bragging to all her friends how she's ate up with it.

That's a joke, people.
44 posted on 07/22/2003 8:46:37 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: dwilli
You don't have to be an evil genius to conjure up up a fake rape charge. These charges aren't necessarilly part of a diabolical plot to squeeze money out of Kobe or an devious plot planned and plotted from before they even hit the sheets... the girl could just be an unstable attention-seeking wacko as it's been suggested before.. which would make a story like this hardly a surprise.
45 posted on 07/22/2003 8:46:37 AM PDT by phreebass
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To: Phantom Lord
"Neal Boortz proposed yesterday, because of the high percentage of rape allegations that are false that a law should be passed that if you accuse someone of rape falsely, you go to jail for the amount of time the wrongly accused would have served if convicted.

I like the idea and fully support it. And I would extend it to hate crimes as well."

I would extend it to every crime. And make false reporters of a crime have the same punishment as those whom they accused would have had if convicted. This would cut down on a lot of crimes that are reported "for profit," so to speak.

And I definitely think that this was a "for profit" crime report. Flame away if you want to...
46 posted on 07/22/2003 8:48:32 AM PDT by Henrietta (Scrupulously avoid any male with *feelings*.)
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To: Phantom Lord
I think that anyone who knowingly and intentionally makes false charges of a crime against another person should be civilly and criminally liable for such outrageous wrongful conduct. I am not prepared to say that the punishment should always be the punishment which the wrongfully accused would have received, but that would be a factor to take into account. I would also make any police officer, prosecutor, judge, etc. who knowingly allowed an unsupportable prosecution to go forward similarly responsible.
47 posted on 07/22/2003 8:49:53 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: AppyPappy
The first thing that comes to mind is when O.J. Simpson had
blood all over his hands and people were still defending him
it's pathetic....
48 posted on 07/22/2003 8:50:03 AM PDT by Chantal
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To: mhking
Given that the accuser is still anonymous in the mainstream media... I fail to see how a story about an anonymous cornfed colorado teenager would be be as newsworthy as dishing up the dirt on a millionare athlete celebrity. Sure, Enquirer is probably searching gangbusters for dirt on either one of em... dirt on Kobe would sell more papers though.
49 posted on 07/22/2003 8:51:35 AM PDT by phreebass
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To: OldFriend
The wise people knew better....Kobe was full of it, thinking
he was getting away with it.....not
50 posted on 07/22/2003 8:53:05 AM PDT by Chantal
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