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MSNBC: Alleged (Kobe Byrant) Victim seen bragging at a party 3 days later
MSNBC.COM ^ | 7/22/03 | MSNBC

Posted on 07/22/2003 8:20:57 AM PDT by Smogger

I just saw it on MSNBC. They said she was at a party a week ago, 3 days before Kobe was charged.

They said she was drinking (consumption by a minor) and playing cards, and was bragging about.....(MSNBC took out the audio at the end of sentence)

The story was confirmed by 5 people at separate places and times who were at the party and all gave a similar account of what happened.

When asked how the girl looked, the guy interviewed said she looked happy. Everyone was shocked to see her at the party given the incident.

I think someone may have even asked how hung was Kobe upon which she described with hand gestures. She seemed to be bragging according to a friend, but said she couldn't tell them what happened that night.

This just keeps getting better and better...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: cokeheads; devolved; haddonliars; kobebryant; lakers; oj2; rape; rkriotsagain; rolemodels; snowman
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To: Alberta's Child
ref: your post #16. as usual, your showing your ...

Uh, duh, yeah, it would be a lot different if they had driven off a cliff,,,,they would both be DEAD, duh, uh, duh, uh....where do you continually come up with these asinine comparisons from?
51 posted on 07/22/2003 8:54:06 AM PDT by Capt.YankeeMike (get outta my pocket, outta my car, and outta the schools)
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To: Smogger
By the time we get to trial, the girl wil have been seen at Disney World, the running of the bulls, the Tour De France, the Whitehouse, Iraq and the moon. She will have been abducted by aliens, abused as a child, slept with her high school football team and cheated on college entrance exams. And anything else you can think up......
52 posted on 07/22/2003 8:54:18 AM PDT by HurkinMcGurkin
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To: Hildy
I don't think that the National Enquirer would be interested in paying for these people's stories. After all, they are giving it away, why pay for it? It seems as though the friends are having a grand old time getting on national TV talking about what they know (or say that they know). They are destroying this woman's credibility and the prosecutor's case. Of course, if what they say is true, the woman has no credibility and the prosecutor has no case.
53 posted on 07/22/2003 8:55:51 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: LadyShallott
ping
54 posted on 07/22/2003 8:56:38 AM PDT by chance33_98 (http://home.frognet.net/~thowell/haunt/ ---->our ghosty page)
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To: Smogger
Not exactly the LA spin machine.

They had boys from the party on TV this morning confirming this. God you people have it in for the overdog on this one. Personally I think the girl is working toward a nice transferral of wealth vis a vis the justice system. I hate lawyers and the non productive means they use to make people wealthy.

Unstable, gold digging biotch immediately comes to mind when I look at this from afar. When she said it wasn't about the money was the key that told me it was about the money. Any bets she ends up wealthier? And the boys said she was fine. At a party 3 weeks after being so viciously defiled.

you people need to open your eyes and not confirm the stereotype people have about rabid conservatives (that they are racists to boot).
55 posted on 07/22/2003 8:57:05 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: OPS4
No, I think Kobe deserves what coming to him.
56 posted on 07/22/2003 8:57:23 AM PDT by Chantal
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To: Smogger
Oh, but the girl's background is untouchable according to her (bimbo) friends' interview with Rita Cosby the other day. If I recall the phrase correctly, "she's FLAWLESS".
57 posted on 07/22/2003 8:58:13 AM PDT by Wondervixen (Ask for her by name--Accept no substitutes!)
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To: Capt.YankeeMike
You missed the point of that post.

Nobody here on FR knows Kobe Bryant. As far as I know, nobody here knows the "victim" in this case, either. If it weren't for incessant media coverage of this story, nobody here would even give a sh!t about either one of them. Regardless of what happens in this case, you're still going to have to pay your bills tomorrow.

58 posted on 07/22/2003 8:58:21 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Smogger
That's a nice assertion, but you have nothing to support it, and I can't point to dozens and articles and television interviews that concern the alleged victim and the source for ALL of them are "friends", classmates, and townies in Eagle Colorado.

Just one question for you: How is MSNBC finding out about all of these people? Who's sending them where?

This is straight from the Clinton playbook -- sounds like something Terry Lenzner might do.

Now, of course your fine, young Mr. Bryant has already admitted committing adultery with this girl. The only remaining issue is her willingness in the matter, and her actions immediately after the fact seem to indicate that she had not volunteered for sex.

Your unwillingness even to contemplate the possibility that the Lakers would protect their bottom line with a little character assassination says a whole lot about you.

59 posted on 07/22/2003 8:58:34 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Phantom Lord
because of the high percentage of rape allegations that are false that a law should be passed that if you accuse someone of rape falsely, you go to jail for the amount of time the wrongly accused would have served if convicted.

I thought there were laws against false accusations of rape, but I've never seen them enforced.

I fully concur with prosecuting false accusers.

60 posted on 07/22/2003 9:00:21 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: kinghorse
When she said it wasn't about the money was the key that told me it was about the money.

Uh, a friend of hers was quoted as saying that. And its no wonder someone said it since half the people here say she's a "gold digging biotch", to quote you.

61 posted on 07/22/2003 9:00:49 AM PDT by HurkinMcGurkin
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To: VRWCmember
There is a big difference between knowingly filing a FALSE allegation against someone and the jury aquiting someone.
62 posted on 07/22/2003 9:01:05 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Phantom Lord
I agree that if a rape allegation turns out to be false, then the accuser should go to jail.
63 posted on 07/22/2003 9:01:52 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Wondervixen
Oh, but the girl's background is untouchable according to her (bimbo) friends' interview with Rita Cosby the other day. If I recall the phrase correctly, "she's FLAWLESS".

Except when she id OD'ing or boozing.

64 posted on 07/22/2003 9:02:07 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger
Let me see...MSNCB is usually seen as a source lacking credibilty by many on this site, but in this case it has the absolute truth. Nope, lots of flotsama nd jetsam is going to be passing the media on this case.
65 posted on 07/22/2003 9:02:23 AM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: phreebass
the girl could just be an unstable attention-seeking wacko

I posted this on a thread yesterday, but really haven't seen it discussed much.

The link below is the transcript of MSNBC's Abrams Report when Dan Abrams was interviewing two of the accuser's friends:

MSNBC...Abrams Report...Friends of Kobe's alleged victim speak on her behalf

Look at this question by Abrams:

..excerpt..

ABRAMS: Janelle Medina, a high school classmate says, "I've known her for eight years. I don't believe she's telling the truth. She always had to be the center of attention. She wants a spotlight on her all the time. She told me once that she'd do anything it took to get famous, and I think this is just a publicity stunt for her, something for her to get money and for her to get fame." I don't know if you know her, but you heard what she said. What do you make of that statement?

The girl's answered that the girl mentioned didn't really know the accused well. Ironically, later in the interview the girls said they really weren't close friends of the accused, rather they knew her from music trips.

longjack

66 posted on 07/22/2003 9:02:45 AM PDT by longjack
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To: Alberta's Child
Wow, I'm still missing the point of that post.. and your latest one, too. However, thanks for the reminder to pay my bills... I was wondering if I was going to have to pay those.
67 posted on 07/22/2003 9:02:50 AM PDT by phreebass
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To: LanPB01
I think you're the one who is mentally unstable...the girl said she does'nt'want any money, she only wants his a$$ in
jail....and so do I...
68 posted on 07/22/2003 9:03:03 AM PDT by Chantal
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To: cajungirl
Can we cool this and talk about uday and oursay?? Anything but yellowcake.

You were forced to this thread?

69 posted on 07/22/2003 9:04:42 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: r9etb
and her actions immediately after the fact seem to indicate that she had not volunteered for sex.

You mean the 12 hour delay between the alleged incident and the notification of police?

70 posted on 07/22/2003 9:04:51 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: r9etb
Just one question for you: How is MSNBC finding out about all of these people? Who's sending them where?

This is straight from the Clinton playbook -- sounds like something Terry Lenzner might do.

Your unwillingness even to contemplate the possibility that the Lakers would protect their bottom line with a little character assassination says a whole lot about you.

I'm glad others do see this. The Lakers and Kobe will end up spending millions, I guarantee you, to keep him from being convicted. This is a textbook case of character assassination. I don't think I have ever seen this much "dirt" reported on an unknown accuser this quickly. I have a feeling that when this is all said and done, the accuser may be suing a few media outlets.

71 posted on 07/22/2003 9:04:56 AM PDT by HurkinMcGurkin
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To: dead
One hand or two?

DAMN funny!!!

72 posted on 07/22/2003 9:05:03 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: HurkinMcGurkin
It'll all come out. 19 year old girls need to stay away from married men.

Woman is root of all evil. I believe that is paraphrasing the BIBLE.
73 posted on 07/22/2003 9:05:46 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: VRWCmember
Does she go to jail too just because the DA was unable to do his job well enough or because the rapist was able to afford a big shot attorney to twist and distort the case enough to raise "reasonable doubt"?

Please feel free to do a search on 'wrongful rape convictions' and tell these men who failed to prove themselves innocent; that the system is just. There is case after case of a 'rape' that consists of a woman who changed her mind the next morning. Or, of the woman who is pregnant and doesn't want to get her boyfriend in trouble, so she accuses someone else. Or, just extortion.

In the case of Kobe Bryant, this girl waited nearly 2 weeks before crying rape. No medical evidence whatsoever. What happened, did she fail to get pregnant (18 years of a lavish lifestyle being the mother of a celebrity kid) and extortion didn't work??

74 posted on 07/22/2003 9:06:17 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Chantal
"the girl said she does'nt'want any money"

sucker.
75 posted on 07/22/2003 9:06:40 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Smogger
I can't stop myself from reading these threads ... it's like a national Rorschach test, with everyone seeing what's already in their minds ... or a bunch of people, including me, all watching video of a plane crash or bridge collapse over and over, hoping it will turn out differently this time ...
76 posted on 07/22/2003 9:06:49 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a right wingnut, I admit it!)
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To: r9etb
and her actions immediately after the fact seem to indicate that she had not volunteered for sex

Bit of a stretch. Whatever her actions "immediately after the fact" were (and I don't know), did they include calling the cops immediately? If so, why did Bryant have to fly back to Colorado for booking? This happened at approximately midnight, right? So did she sleep on it?

I'm one person who is gleefully commenting on this story with absolutely no compunction about admitting I haven't the foggiest idea what happened. But I haven't read or heard anything that would lead me to believe that her actions "immediately after the fact" were in any way standard operating procedure for rape victims.

77 posted on 07/22/2003 9:06:55 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Phantom Lord
Neal Boortz proposed yesterday, because of the high percentage of rape allegations that are false that a law should be passed that if you accuse someone of rape falsely, you go to jail for the amount of time the wrongly accused would have served if convicted.

I like the idea and fully support it.

Bears repeating.

78 posted on 07/22/2003 9:07:24 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Mr. Bird
Like Jim Rome says, when someone says it's not about the money, it's about the money. Puleese people I know many of you desperately cling to your Jim Crow view of the world but I don't think we need a lynchin just yet. I realize your white girl got involved with a black man but puleese keep the rope in the shed, k.
79 posted on 07/22/2003 9:09:15 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Hodar
In the case of Kobe Bryant, this girl waited nearly 2 weeks before crying rape.

Say what? Why are you making stuff up?

80 posted on 07/22/2003 9:09:53 AM PDT by HurkinMcGurkin
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To: Smogger
I am not sure what to think about this case. With the facts stated previously (ad nauseum) it sounds like it was consentual by both parties to a point. The girl is young enough to think that this is a game with no backlash and Mr. Bryant is certainly old enough to know better than to cheat and lie, athlete or not. If she is lying, what bothers me the most, is that many women who are genuine victims of rape will also pay for this. You can only cry wolf so many times before people quit listening. If he is guilty I hope that he gets an appropriate sentence. If she is lying I hope she gets the same.
81 posted on 07/22/2003 9:10:06 AM PDT by LadyShallott
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To: HurkinMcGurkin
I don't think I have ever seen this much "dirt" reported on an unknown accuser this quickly.

Small town. I would also imagine that there are hundreds of investigators and reporters scouring NBA towns looking for a pattern of Kobe abusing women. It it's there, you'll hear about it. Media outlets will fall over themselves to be the first to break the story of another Kobe incident. All of Dr. Buss' money can't stop that.

82 posted on 07/22/2003 9:10:29 AM PDT by socal_parrot (Tip your server...)
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To: mhking; ClearCase_guy
If rape were decriminalized

We'd be living in Saddam's Iraq.
83 posted on 07/22/2003 9:10:40 AM PDT by visualops (When the Going Gets Tough, The Tough Use Duct Tape)
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To: ValerieUSA
How much were these tabloid-style witnesses paid? Were they under oath?
This "separate places and times" detail sounds like a nice touch of credibility considering all of them are as likely to be as compromised in the credibility department as they claim she is....
The reporter and "news" outlets who employed such a silly tactic to legitimize teenage party gossip are no more credible than the gossipers....

NBC doesn't pay people for interviews. Of course they weren't under oath.

There sure do seem to be lots of folks who have it in for little miss cheerleader.

Or, maybe they just know her very well, and she's as loopy as a fruitcake.

This case looks less and less likely to even go to trial.

84 posted on 07/22/2003 9:11:13 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: cajungirl
I find it very distasteful to attack the girl this way. It makes me wonder if Kobe is guilty. He lied saying nothing happened until DNA evidence forced the truth from him. Where I grew up (went to high school) in the early 70's, there were six (not sure of the number)young high school athletes who victimized a retarded girl sexually. The girl was my sister's best friends sister so I know it was true. This never made the paper. The boys were sent away to school (rich kids). I heard that these boys thought what they did was a great joke and the girl was "lucky" to have them pay her attention. Some athletes think they can have anything they want. I don't know if Kobe forced the girl or not. I am keeping an open mind.
85 posted on 07/22/2003 9:11:53 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: HurkinMcGurkin
The Lakers will protect their own insofar as that they support their player in the presumption of innocent until proven guilty. The Lakers aren't going to spend one red cent in Kobe's defense, except indirectly since a portion of the millions that Kobe has earned while working for the Lakers is undoubtably going towards his defense in this case. Now it's a vast Laker's conspiracy to slander the this girl... As it was previously stated on this thread... the "character assasinations" or "probably truth" as I like to refer to these reports... are coming from her own home town and her friends and people who proport know her.
86 posted on 07/22/2003 9:13:24 AM PDT by phreebass
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To: Smogger
Thanks. I'll wait to see if this little piece of juicy news is used by the defense at the trial. I'll know then whether it's true or not.
87 posted on 07/22/2003 9:14:10 AM PDT by mass55th (i)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I heard on Fox that Kobe asked the girl to bring something to his room in her capacity as an employee-not unusual for resort employees to do this after hours. We have time shares and the resorts bend over backwards to accomodate us. Who knows?
88 posted on 07/22/2003 9:14:51 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: sinkspur
NBC doesn't pay for interviews? What makes you so sure? Your faith that assures you the NY Times doesn't make up stories?
89 posted on 07/22/2003 9:15:02 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: dead
One hand or two?

According to Newsweek, she is a big basketball groupie.

She's probably a expert with the hand gestures.

90 posted on 07/22/2003 9:15:40 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: kinghorse
"keep the rope in the shed" bump.
91 posted on 07/22/2003 9:16:22 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: ClearCase_guy
Good idea. Let's get rid of all laws. We can start carrying guns. Form gangs. Kill or be killed. We don't need no stinking badges.
92 posted on 07/22/2003 9:17:23 AM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: Smogger
Kobe is toast. If he is well hung. And, if the girl either was relatively inexperienced or not well lubricated then he could have caused alot of tearing whether consentual or not.

How about this for a scenario: She goes up to Kobe's room to have sex. Kobe is too big for her and is hurting her. She tells him to stop. He doesn't. She goes home. Her mom catchs her crying and forces her to confess. She calls it rape. The father forces her to report it to the police.

93 posted on 07/22/2003 9:17:39 AM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: sinkspur
NBC doesn't pay people for interviews.

but National Enquirer does Teen rejects checkbook journalism

McKinney said she regrets the way the information came out. She said she was tricked by reporters Heather Louring and Marcia C. Smith of the Orange County Register into answering questions for their story. She was sick, she said, and was awakened by a ringing telephone; when she picked it up, it was Louring on the line. "They told me they'd already talked to a bunch of kids and that they had all the information, and that they only wanted to nail down a few facts," said McKinney. "I wasn't even awake yet." McKinney said they also told her they'd call her Saturday night if the story was running in the Register's Sunday edition. No call came, she said. McKinney also said a quote in the Register's story was taken out of context. McKinney is quoted as saying: "I think the things that happened in the past had a lot to do with what happened that night." The Register linked the quote to the night of the alleged assault by Bryant. McKinney said she was talking about the night the alleged victim took the pills.

Even though the quote was referring to a different event, the journalists lied because they have an agenda.

94 posted on 07/22/2003 9:17:46 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: dead
you are the master quipper. LOL
95 posted on 07/22/2003 9:18:51 AM PDT by My back yard (Possible that Uday and Qsay have been got!!)
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To: dead
Two would explain the tearing.
96 posted on 07/22/2003 9:19:04 AM PDT by StriperSniper (Make South Korea an island)
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To: HurkinMcGurkin
This is a textbook case of character assassination. I don't think I have ever seen this much "dirt" reported on an unknown accuser this quickly. I have a feeling that when this is all said and done, the accuser may be suing a few media outlets.

Oh, please. The media is putting her friends on television to talk about her.

She could sue her friends, I guess.

If she's lying, she deserves to have her character smeared, and worse than what we've seen so far.

97 posted on 07/22/2003 9:19:07 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: lainie
***The second one said she didn't want to discuss her personal matters with an audience of thousands but that her husband was "hung like a horse."***

LOL! It's so nice to know that we still have sweet, delicate little ladies who don't "discuss personal matters" before an audience of thousands.

98 posted on 07/22/2003 9:20:25 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: Phantom Lord
Neal Boortz proposed yesterday, because of the high percentage of rape allegations that are false that a law should be passed that if you accuse someone of rape falsely, you go to jail for the amount of time the wrongly accused would have served if convicted.

The problem with this is this: a "not guilty" verdict does not prove that the allegations are false. "Not guilty" does not mean that a rape definitively did not happen; it simply means that the evidence that it did occur does not rise to the standard "beyond a reasonable doubt." The option of the accusee bringing a case for defamation is already available. To put your plan into action, the accuser would have to be tried separately and convicted of making a false claim, beyond a reasonable doubt. Then the sentences for making a false claim would have to be aligned with the sentences for rape.

99 posted on 07/22/2003 9:20:28 AM PDT by ellery
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To: Phantom Lord
Oh really, I suppose you believe that only innocent people are acquitted by juries? How has this girl gained anything? She could have blackmailed Kobe threatened to tell his wife or maybe sold her story to the star. She would have made plenty of money and would not be smeared by athlete loving groupies.
100 posted on 07/22/2003 9:22:54 AM PDT by nyconse
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