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President makes overtures to blacks
Washington Times ^ | Wednesday, July 23, 2003 | By Bill Sammon

Posted on 07/22/2003 10:46:34 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:05:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

President Bush's upcoming meeting with the Urban League, coupled with his snubbing of more-militant black groups, mirrors his outreach to moderate Palestinians while ignoring Yasser Arafat.

In both cases, Mr. Bush hopes to turn nearly hopeless relationships into constructive dialogues with groups not known for their fondness of conservatives.


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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2004; blackvote; donnabrazile; gwb2004; naacp; outreach; urbanleague
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Wednesday, July 23, 2003

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1 posted on 07/22/2003 10:46:34 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Anyone who litens at all to any black radio or tv talk shows knows that Bush hasn't a chance in hell of picking up any more black votes than he did in 2000.
Yet he has to make these overtures for the sake of the white"moderates"who want him to at least go through the motions.
2 posted on 07/22/2003 11:13:05 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: Riverman94610
It is truly a waste of the President's time. They will never vote for him nomatter what's he does for this race.
3 posted on 07/23/2003 12:17:00 AM PDT by deedgirl
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To: JohnHuang2
My take on making inroads into the black vote is that we need to create a comprehensive strategy and then execute it rapidly. I hate to use the comparison, but it's almost like storming a beach. The problem with trying to make incremental efforts is that we show up for a day but Democrats have them for the month. Whatever we say gets dispelled through black TV, radio, casual discussions, etc. We need to address black churches, black radio, black magazines, black TV and other influencers of public opinion within the black community. We need to have Alan Keyes challenge Jesse Jackson to debates in the Apollo. We need to put Democrats on the defensive and have them testify before the black community how exactly they've made life better for them? Why are the ghettos as bad today or worse than they wore 30 years ago? We need to be willing to get in there and slug it out- and I think Keyes is the guy.
4 posted on 07/23/2003 1:09:46 AM PDT by jagrmeister
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To: JohnHuang2
Even if Mr. Bush came out in favor of reparations and gave blacks the moon they still would vote dim.
Is it brainwashing or just that they have bought the line the dims use that they aren't capeable of taking care of themselves? Theyt need handouts from the govt to survive?
They need quotas to compete?
5 posted on 07/23/2003 3:20:02 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: deedgirl
It is truly a waste of the President's time. They will never vote for him nomatter what's he does for this race.

So by extension, am I wasting my time trying to spread the message?

6 posted on 07/23/2003 3:27:49 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Riverman94610
Yet he has to make these overtures for the sake of the white"moderates"who want him to at least go through the motions.

So you write off every and anyone who might be thinking of leaving the Plantation? That makes sense?

7 posted on 07/23/2003 3:29:12 AM PDT by mhking
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
Black conservative ping

If you want on (or off) of my black conservative ping list, please let me know via FREEPmail. (And no, you don't have to be black to be on the list!)

Extra warning: this is a high-volume ping list.

8 posted on 07/23/2003 3:30:34 AM PDT by mhking
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To: deedgirl
It is truly a waste of the President's time. They will never vote for him nomatter what's he does for this race.

It's only a waste of time if the Conservatives let the left continue to preach the gospel of "poor black souls, lost without the gummint handout, the affirmative action, the guiding hand of the Democratic white massah."

The average black person is no more or less capable of making an informed decision than anyone else...they just need the WHOLE story in order to make that decision.

9 posted on 07/23/2003 4:51:55 AM PDT by WestPacSailor (Exercise your right to vote, or they'll take that one too!)
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To: Joe Boucher; mhking
Even if Mr. Bush came out in favor of reparations and gave blacks the moon they still would vote dim.

I really think that the Republicans are becoming more appealing to our black citizens. With people like J.C. Watts, Michael King, Alan Keyes, Ken Hamblin and others, I think many people are now understanding that the democrats aren't doing blacks (or other minorities) any favors.

I think we should continue to support the black conservatives. They are the only ones really pushing for equal opportunity. All the democrats are doing is propagating racism.

I look forward to the day when people are people and not identified by the color of their skin. I think conservatives have this goal in mind.

10 posted on 07/23/2003 5:26:55 AM PDT by Pest
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To: JohnHuang2
Is it just me, or does Donna Brazile sound almost reasonable in this article?
11 posted on 07/23/2003 5:36:15 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: TontoKowalski
Is it just me, or does Donna Brazile sound almost reasonable in this article?

It's just you. Donna Brazile couldn't be reasonable, even on Judgement Day.

12 posted on 07/23/2003 6:02:38 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
OK, I can accept that criticism. How's this revision:

Is it just me, or does Donna Brazile sound not too drunk in this article?

13 posted on 07/23/2003 6:05:49 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: mhking
It is truly a waste of the President's time. They will never vote for him nomatter what's he does for this race. So by extension, am I wasting my time trying to spread the message?

I, for one, strongly disagree... It'll take time to reinforce the message that our party is not one of hate, taking medicine from older people, dragging people through the streets... Decades of lib lies are not going to be rectified right away, it takes lots of time and effort. We need to think long-term, and we need to include Afr-Americans and Hispanics in our ranks, or we'll become the dinosaur party.

I've said if before and I'll say it again, education, harping on the facts, blasting the lib lies... We need to do this again and again until the message starts to get out there.

14 posted on 07/23/2003 6:08:59 AM PDT by NYC Republican
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To: mhking
Don't sweat it, big bruh. Let us keep doing what we have to do. I don't even challenge folks about this anymore because I already know that we're always outnumbered and always outgunned.

Some of those guns come from our own side. It's sad, but now completely expected.


Cooler than a fan.

15 posted on 07/23/2003 6:36:22 AM PDT by rdb3 (Nerve-racking since 0413hrs on XII-XXII-MCMLXXI)
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To: rdb3
I don't even challenge folks about this anymore because I already know that we're always outnumbered and always outgunned.

Yeah, but it's pretty damn sad when some of the guns that are supposed to be helping us are instead pointing at our backs.

Talk about fighting battles on multiple fronts!

16 posted on 07/23/2003 6:42:19 AM PDT by mhking
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To: rdb3
I don't even challenge folks about this anymore because I already know that we're always outnumbered and always outgunned.

Count me as a "whitey" who's on your side. We have no right to gripe about the scant share of the black vote we earn, if we don't take proactive steps to share our message.

17 posted on 07/23/2003 6:42:35 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: mhking
I posted this on a thread datesd 6/27/03... Interestingly enough, no one could respond to it, not even the ones asking the questions...

Write them off. Today. It is a waste of time and political capital to ever think that they will leave the plantation. And, why should we waste said time and capital on only 8% of the vote, anyway?

I've got to play devil's advocate here... The Jewish vote is about 2% of the population, and they vote over 60% "socialist" (your terminology), about 24% Republican. To put it in comparible terms (to African American terms), it translates to the same exact number of votes. To make it even more controversial, most of the Jewish votes are concentrated in some of the most non-contested states (NY, Cali, NJ) that go Democrat anyway, and Florida which is pivotal... Black votes are much more scattered throughout the country, and many states could flip by a 1% margin (see the 2000 vote)... Given the fact that in absolute terms, we receive the same exact number of votes from both of these voting groups, would you ever advocate not caring about the Jewish vote, and writing that off? Every voting constituency counts, as long as we don't go off the deep end and lean left to gather votes.

Although, please answer the question: why is GWB courting that vote?

It's the margins... There are several states that could potentially be tos-ups, especially when you factor in the democratic "cheat" factor... I genuinely believe that a great deal of the population has been conned by 50 years of liberal brainwashing- that they're the only party that cares about the minorities and the common man, while the reality is that they want the minorities to be embolden to them, relying on them for government gifts. I truly want the Republican party to become dominant for decades. The best way to do that is to continue to educate, pound the message over and over, that the Republican party cares about the average person... Over time, several members of the democratic party will switch over... Think about it... In a few years, the hispanic and African American votes will surpass the white vote... If we don't reach out to try and obtain their support, even if it's babysteps, our future looks bleak. While I would never espouse changing our platform wholesale, I'd have no problem continuing to reach out to communites that are not typically considered Republican. Consider the future demographics.

18 posted on 07/23/2003 7:21:07 AM PDT by NYC Republican
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To: jagrmeister
"We need to address black churches, black radio, black magazines, black TV and other influences of opinion within the black community."

Lotsa luck on that, fella. Especially with the Black publications. It seems every time I pick up an edition of Jet Magazine, they're always addressing a Democratic issue in its Politics section. The same goes for Ebony, Essense, and even Black Enterprise. The day any of these DNC tip sheets say anything positive about the Republican party or President Bush in particular, will be the day that you-know-where freezes over. I can say this, because I'm Black, and grew up reading most of those publications prior to changing my party affiliation. They only make good kindling for a fire in my opinion.

-Regards, T.
19 posted on 07/23/2003 7:24:40 AM PDT by T Lady (.Freed From the Dimocratic Shackles since 1992)
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To: mhking
Bush and the Republicans should stop pandering to blacks. The conservative message is in itself a winning message to blacks.

Blacks have always been conservative. Black families used to look after each other kids and report them to their parents when they goofed off. Blacks have always prided themselves with family reunions, picnics, and other gatherings.

Blacks need to learn the hard way that the Rats are playing them for fools.

20 posted on 07/23/2003 7:25:01 AM PDT by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: ServesURight; rdb3; Warrior Nurse
Bush and the Republicans should stop pandering to blacks. The conservative message is in itself a winning message to blacks.

I'll agree that we shouldn't be pandering (nor pandered to), but the message has to be delivered to the black community.

I've said this before -- as long as we allow Jesse Jackson, the NAACP, Al Sharpton, et.al.-ad nauseum to spew their venom in the black community unchecked, we are allowing them to deliver our message (albeit filtered through their "capable" hands and voices) for us.

Our biggest challenge in terms of outreach is to put our unfiltered message directly in the black community. And until most people in the GOP can see that, we won't be able to even get started at making any serious inroads. Jackson, et.al. have appointed themselves de-facto gatekeepers to black America.

The only way we can get our message into black America in it's true form (i.e., not distorted by the lies and hatred of the likes of Julian Bond and others) is to go around those gatekeepers. That job is not an easy one. But it is one that is well worth taking on. The President has the right idea, by going to the Urban League and blowing off the NAACP. It is a solid start. It is not, however, pandering to the audience.

To those that see it as pandering, would you equally dissuade the President from speaking to the Religious Right?

I'm sure that thought would never enter your head. But if you substitute Christian Conservatives for black Americans, then you can see where I'm coming from.

21 posted on 07/23/2003 7:58:24 AM PDT by mhking
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To: T Lady
It seems every time I pick up an edition of Jet Magazine, they're always addressing a Democratic issue in its Politics section

We have to crawl before we walk.

Nearly everything I write for Project 21 ends up appearing in most black newspapers across the nation (including the Nation of Islam's Final Call). I've had more than one piece to appear in regional black magazines as well.

Many of those editors are beginning to see the value of providing an alternative view.

I'll admit that it is done to try to bolster their own views in many cases, but in others, it is a legitimate effort to provide a well thought-out alternative to what is percieved as "mainstream" black thought.

The other posters here are correct. Exposure in black media is crucial. Black radio (at least Urban Contemporary) is among the most lucrative formats in American radio (third only to News/Talk and Country). Tom Joyner reaches more affluent black households than Rush Limbaugh ever could at the present.

And while the George Curry's (former editor of the now-defunct Emerge, known for referring to Clarence Thomas as a "handkerchief-headed Negro" in that magazine) of the world are still out there, they are no-longer legion.

The wheels of change roll inexorbly slow, but they do roll.

22 posted on 07/23/2003 8:05:25 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Riverman94610
Part of the strategery is to NOT encourage Black Democrat voters to go to the polls at election time.
23 posted on 07/23/2003 8:06:30 AM PDT by Consort
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To: NYC Republican
Consider the future demographics.

That's key. Look at where black dollars are being spent. Most people ignore the fact that were the "black economy" of the US consolidated as a separate state, only California would outspend it?

That belies considerable size and strength -- were you able to harness that strength.

But it takes work. And that is work that many are not willing to do, because the benefit will not come immediately. That benefit will take literally years to come to fruit.

And let's not forget that while we work, so will our adversaries. This will make that work that much more difficult. But not insurmountable.

24 posted on 07/23/2003 8:09:20 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Consort
Part of the strategery is to NOT encourage Black Democrat voters to go to the polls at election time.

Not true. That actually plays into the poverty pimps' hands. Look at the carping about Florida, when there was no active campaign to dissuade voters.

You never want to dissuade anyone from voting.

On the contrary, you want to get them so mad at your opposition that they do come out...and vote for you.

25 posted on 07/23/2003 8:11:16 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
Just a few things that the President needs to do with this trip to the Urban League:

By doing this, the President would gain some respect in the black community plus he might even change some minds. I am not a rich man but I wish there were such a person who could spend about $30 Million in the inner city to convince the minority community of what they are missing by not voting Republican. By doing this, we might actually get the black vote up to around 20-25% within ten years. If such a high percentage of blacks were to vote Republican, the Democrats would never win another major election in this country. That would be good for everyone!

26 posted on 07/23/2003 8:18:09 AM PDT by GmbyMan (everythingpolitics.blogspot.com)
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To: mhking
You never want to dissuade anyone from voting.

You always prefer a low turnout for the opposition.

27 posted on 07/23/2003 8:29:14 AM PDT by Consort
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To: ServesURight; mhking
Blacks have always been conservative. Black families used to look after each other kids and report them to their parents when they goofed off. Blacks have always prided themselves with family reunions, picnics, and other gatherings.

I am in agreement. The black families I know work hard, they strive for the American dream just like I do, they want their children to have it beter just like I do, they are involved in Scouting and attend church, and are good friends and neighbors and members of the community. In short, they are Republicans, they just don't know it yet.

Yes, I am aware that their are elements within the black community that use drugs, engage in irresponsible sex, sponge off the taxpayer, and so forth. But, you know what, there are people like that of every color. In my youth, we used the term "White Trash" to describe this type of caucasion. I don't even know if that's a racially charged term or not now, but it was very descriptive.

Blacks need to learn the hard way that the Rats are playing them for fools.

Hogwash. We're one Nation. When one suffers we all do. Consider this. GWB almost lost the Presidency because of the Florida mess. If we had gotten just 1% more of the minority vote in Florida, Florida wouldn't have been an issue (well, except for the "I voted for Buchanan by mistake" crowd).

How come it's not "pandering" when the President speaks to the Chamber of Commerce, or to the VFW, or to most groups, but it is pandering for him to speak to the Urban League?

They're the same thing. The President is building bridges and delivering his message and gathering support for his plans for our Nation. I don't want to exclude anyone.

As MHK said in a subsequent post to yours, a Republican message is ALREADY being delivered to the minority community. Problem is, we're not the one delivering it.

28 posted on 07/23/2003 8:30:26 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: Consort
You always prefer a low turnout for the opposition.

I could never encourage someone not to exercise their right to vote. Too many people have fought and died to ensure that we have and keep that right. It is irresponsible to suggest otherwise.

29 posted on 07/23/2003 8:33:05 AM PDT by mhking
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To: JohnHuang2
the president is also seeking a more tangible political dividend, an increased share of the black vote in the 2004 election.

$15 billion to Africa (couresty of the hard-working American taxpayer) isn't going to do it. Speaking before the Urban League isn't going to do it. NOTHING will do it, short of giving at least $10,000 - again, courtesy of hard-working taxpayers - to every black in this country ....as a "reparation".

30 posted on 07/23/2003 8:39:30 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: mhking
Not encouraging people to vote (my assertion) is not the same as discouraging people from voting (your assertion). You are confusing the principle with the practical.
31 posted on 07/23/2003 8:45:02 AM PDT by Consort
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To: TontoKowalski
How come it's not "pandering" when the President speaks to the Chamber of Commerce, or to the VFW, or to most groups, but it is pandering for him to speak to the Urban League?

It isn't pandering for President Bush to speak to the urban league but it would be pandering if he went there and started talking about government giveaways and quotas (aka, affirmative action). The President needs to take the conservative message to these groups. Conseravitism is an even more sensible policy for blacks than it is for whites. The President needs to stress this!

32 posted on 07/23/2003 8:47:07 AM PDT by GmbyMan (everythingpolitics.blogspot.com)
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To: ServesURight
Blacks have always been conservative.

OH please.

33 posted on 07/23/2003 8:53:51 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssstian)
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To: jagrmeister
Your points are excellent but only for free thinking black people that have escaped from the Democratic plantation. Remember all the problems in the ghettos are the fault of the Republicans. Whem liberals like Tom Joyner and Tavis Smiley spout their nonsense without challenge or rebuttal that makes our message hard to get out to the inner city.

Most of the listeners of Urban Radio show do not question the political content of these shows. They will never put a black conservative on these shows.
34 posted on 07/23/2003 12:07:12 PM PDT by Warrior Nurse (Ready for war but praying for peace!)
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To: mhking
You know you are right Mike, most of the Democratic constituency want something for nothing because they consider it "gettin' over on the man." When I was in college I was a temporary mailman for one summer and you wouldn't believe around the 3rd of the month how many people would cash the welfare checks and go and buy booze or drugs and damn near snatch the postal bag for their money. The same way on the 15 when the unemployment checks would come.

These are the hard heads that have to be cracked. I don't know if you caught John Mcworter on Bob Costas and the Rapper Damon Dane but the rapper all but called McWorter a sell out and that he has never experienced the so called "ghetto experience" This is psychosis and demented thinking. I don't know about you but Rush is right when he says liberalism is a disease. It is a disease of the mind.
35 posted on 07/23/2003 12:18:03 PM PDT by Warrior Nurse (Ready for war but praying for peace!)
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To: biblewonk
It is true most rank and file blacks are conservative when you break down issues one at a time like abortion and school vouchers. Someone has to point out the hypocrisy of the Democratic leadership. After 40 years the cities are not looking any different. The welfare state did to black people what slavery and Jim Crow couldn't it wiped out the black family. With over 70% of childern born out of wedlock and literacy rates in the crapper these are issues that should be addressed in an in your face fashion.

It is time to play hardball with the Dems. We need to grab them by the balls and squeeze them until they start admiting truths.

36 posted on 07/23/2003 12:26:15 PM PDT by Warrior Nurse (Ready for war but praying for peace!)
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To: T Lady
What would you suggest in terms of making inroads into the black community. A recent Gallup poll showed that even amongst blacks, they thought of Colin Powell, a Republican, as the most important black leader- ahead of Jesse Jackson. It tells me there's an opportunity to be heard. The question is how?
37 posted on 07/23/2003 12:40:37 PM PDT by jagrmeister
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To: Warrior Nurse
It is true most rank and file blacks are conservative when you break down issues one at a time like abortion and school vouchers.

Are you counting the black men in prison or the black men that have kids but no wives? The black family is the prime example of what conservative family values is not about. What has happened to the black family and how does this reflect an intrinsic conservative nature?

38 posted on 07/23/2003 1:13:05 PM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssstian)
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To: biblewonk
Are you talking about all black families?
39 posted on 07/23/2003 1:20:23 PM PDT by tru_degenerate ('I have not always been right, but I have always been sincere.' - WEB Du Bois)
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To: tru_degenerate
Absolutely not, but the original statement seemed to be and that is where I take issue. For the original statement to be trying to talk about the majority is also quite a stretch given the statistics. I said seems to be.
40 posted on 07/23/2003 1:22:27 PM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssstian)
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To: biblewonk
I thought the original statement was referring to issues. Looking at the average black family(mother, father, with kids) from an issue point of view, we do agree with a lot of the conservative views. Differences come in how those views are to be achieved. Why is it that when Black Families were referred to you automatically thought of prisoners and unmarried fathers? What about the hard working families were both parents work and are trying to provide for there kids?
41 posted on 07/23/2003 1:47:44 PM PDT by tru_degenerate ('I have not always been right, but I have always been sincere.' - WEB Du Bois)
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To: tru_degenerate
Why is it that when Black Families were referred to you automatically thought of prisoners and unmarried fathers? What about the hard working families were both parents work and are trying to provide for there kids?

Because of the neighborhood in which I live.

42 posted on 07/23/2003 1:50:40 PM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssstian)
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To: biblewonk
No that is the breakdown in family that these liberal programs and lack of accountability. Remember women should be held accountable in this equation as well because not all these bastard childern are from rape.

I was not talking about the dysfunctional black family which is what you were describing they are not the rank and file in my opinion.
43 posted on 07/23/2003 2:15:01 PM PDT by Warrior Nurse (Ready for war but praying for peace!)
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To: Pest
You are correct in your hopes but I work and interact with blacks on a regular basis and they seem to be, fried chicken, babtist and democrat.
You and I know that it is better for America and Americans to do for oneself. Regardless of race religion or politics I want for every Mexican that swims or runs the border, or every Cuban that braves the seas, and every Black person
Etc. etc. to do well for themselves. To live the American dream.
I just don't see appreciable numbers changing to self reliance.
44 posted on 07/23/2003 3:35:47 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Riverman94610
I'll tell you where the black vote is: My sister worked in a bank in Sacramento for 30 years and during the 2000 election she tried to convince this young black girl that she should vote for Bush instead of Gore. The girl admitted that she liked Bush and didn't much care for Gore and thought Bush would be better for the country. After the election my sis asked her if she voted for Bush and she said, "no, I just couldnt vote against my people".

That says Jesse Jackson to me. Sheep, they are sheep.

45 posted on 07/23/2003 3:58:58 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk
Sheep, they are sheep

Illogical generalization. In the lower middle class suburb I worked in 2000, the split was obvious. Blacks on a government check (welfare, post office, HHS or HUD job and government funded non-profits) leaned Dem. Blacks working at for profit companies leaned pro-Bush.

One solution is to shift more jobs to the private sector and shift Blacks to getting their check from the private sector.

I estimate 30% of Blacks went for Bush. In contrast 100% of Hispanics went for Bush. But I estimate only 5% of sexually active unmarried women (who are thick in that area) went for Bush.

So should we write off your sister? Your daughter?

46 posted on 07/23/2003 5:41:46 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: biblewonk
LOL.
47 posted on 07/23/2003 7:43:13 PM PDT by tru_degenerate ('I have not always been right, but I have always been sincere.' - WEB Du Bois)
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To: WestPacSailor
Oh, big bump!!!!!!
48 posted on 07/23/2003 7:46:18 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: mhking
I can't figure out what Donna's hoping to accomplish. Nine times out of ten lately she sounds like she's going against the DNC. But where would that leave her?

Unless, of course, the rumors are true: everybody that ever works with her hates her.
49 posted on 07/23/2003 7:48:41 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: rdb3
I don't even challenge folks about this anymore because I already know that we're always outnumbered and always outgunned.

No, you are not; perhaps it's time some of "us" start speaking up.

50 posted on 07/23/2003 7:49:27 PM PDT by Howlin
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