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Is Mel Gibson's film passion for Jesus misplaced?
The Boston Globe ^ | 7/22/03 | Alex Beam

Posted on 07/23/2003 6:20:57 AM PDT by Aquinasfan

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:10:31 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A fair amount of attention, although not necessarily the attention one would seek, attends the production of ''The Passion,'' Mel Gibson's movie about the last days of Jesus Christ. Making a movie about Christ is a surefire path to instant publicity, most of it negative. And when one of the most bankable stars in the English-speaking world is backing the project, you can bet Christ won't go quietly this time.


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I'm speechless. I mean, I shouldn't expect more from the Globe but... damn. This is high crap. Crap has been elevated to an art form.
1 posted on 07/23/2003 6:20:58 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: *Catholic_list; Hermann the Cherusker
You have to see this. It's pathetic, but funny.
2 posted on 07/23/2003 6:22:18 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
Alex Beam is merely spouting, word for word, the Jesus Seminar's own press.

He's an unthinking mouthpiece who has literally no conception of what he's discussing.

3 posted on 07/23/2003 6:22:42 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Aquinasfan
How about this article:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951145/posts

The original polling information is at:

http://www.barna.org/cgi-bin/PagePressRelease.asp?PressReleaseID=127&Reference=F
4 posted on 07/23/2003 6:25:00 AM PDT by elenchus
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To: Aquinasfan
Egad. Words fail me.
5 posted on 07/23/2003 6:26:52 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a right wingnut, I admit it!)
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To: wideawake
He's an unthinking mouthpiece who has literally no conception of what he's discussing.

That's literally true, and that's what I find so fascinating. This story passed through the hands of at least one editor, who must also have had literally no conception of what he was reading.

6 posted on 07/23/2003 6:27:56 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
What kills me is that he won't come right out and say that he hasn't seen the movie.

What a tool.

7 posted on 07/23/2003 6:29:44 AM PDT by big gray tabby
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To: Aquinasfan
"Whatever Gibson's intentions, the film will be perceived as anti-Semitic, because the Christian Bible holds that Jesus was a Jewish prophet rejected and betrayed by his own people."

What?
8 posted on 07/23/2003 6:30:58 AM PDT by Kwilliams
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To: Aquinasfan
the film will be perceived as anti-Semitic, because the Christian Bible holds that Jesus was a Jewish prophet rejected and betrayed by his own people.

I guess The Bible needs a politically correct make-over.

9 posted on 07/23/2003 6:31:38 AM PDT by PaulJ
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To: Aquinasfan
The Jesus Seminar has been thouroughly debunked by serious theologians as well as historians, I reference the Christian Research Center.

I'm also reminded of the words of St. Paul who said that if Christ did not rise from the dead then Christians are the most unfortunate of all peoples (sorry for the paraphrase).

I think Mel's movie is important precisely as a stick in the eye to all these wishy-washy Christians that are comfortable w/ platitudes but uncomfortable w/ the idea of everlasting judgement. They don't want to see the reality of Christ's suffering because it will shatter their world of complacency.

10 posted on 07/23/2003 6:33:12 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: Aquinasfan
It is crap... what a hatchet job... on Gibson, on this film, on Jesus, and on Christians.
11 posted on 07/23/2003 6:34:53 AM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: Aquinasfan
Whether or not Hutton Gibson is a crackpot I wouldn't know, but judging from this article, it appears that Alex Beam certainly is.
12 posted on 07/23/2003 6:35:31 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Vote Democrat! Vote for national--and personal--suicide! It's like being a suicide bomber!)
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To: Kwilliams
You beat me to it. Has any article ever before been written by someone as clueless?
13 posted on 07/23/2003 6:36:43 AM PDT by jammer (Nasa knows why Columbia crashed. Now all they need to figure out is why they still exist)
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To: jammer
How can such nonsensical drivel be published in a semi-national mainstream newspaper?
14 posted on 07/23/2003 6:39:07 AM PDT by Kwilliams
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To: Aquinasfan
This writer is full of used food.

I saw the trailer, and I would arguably say that the film has the potential of being one of the biggest Christian outreach vehicles in the history of contemporary media. The sheer power that is radiated from that short excerpt blows everything the televangelists are doing out of the water. TBN, Daystar, Sky Angel and The Word Network pale in comparison.

What I got from that was a true indication of the depth of the sacrifice that Our Lord made for us all.

Many people don't understand the sheer brutality of Ancient Rome. Many don't understand how Jesus bucked the established system among the Jews of the day. Many people don't understand the true ramifications of what happened 2,000 years ago. This film will change that for untold numbers of people.

In the larger scope of things, that fact alone will completely overshadow any notion of how much this film makes or does not make monitarily.

That so many people find fault with Gibson, simply for having the wherewithal to even attempt to tell this story, speaks volumes in terms of how powerful this message has the potential to be.

15 posted on 07/23/2003 6:39:14 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Kwilliams
I don't know, but I can hear the squealing now from the likes of, say, The Boston Globe, if this sort of misinformation were published about any of the other religions, even including the worship of Isis.
16 posted on 07/23/2003 6:41:34 AM PDT by jammer (Nasa knows why Columbia crashed. Now all they need to figure out is why they still exist)
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To: Aquinasfan
"Whatever Gibson's intentions, the film will be perceived as anti-Semitic"

Could it be because of POS like this "reporter"?

Reporter's email is :

beam@globe.com


17 posted on 07/23/2003 6:42:19 AM PDT by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: PaulJ
I guess The Bible needs a politically correct make-over.

LOL...with Abe Foxman given final edit oversight authority.
18 posted on 07/23/2003 6:42:49 AM PDT by mr.pink
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To: Kwilliams
He means the Bible is hate literature.

What?

19 posted on 07/23/2003 6:43:20 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Aquinasfan; Dataman; Caleb1411
...the storied Jesus Seminar, whose members, mostly serious Biblical scholars from diverse fields, spent 10 years sorting out what ''really'' happened in the events described in the New Testament

Oh, good heavens. "Storied," all right: the idea that the Jesus Seminar was in any sense an exercise in dispassionate, fact-oriented scholarship is quite a whopper of a story in itself.

See How to Make Your Very Own Jesus.

Dan

20 posted on 07/23/2003 6:45:31 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Kwilliams
Christ does place himself in, and simultaneously above, the tradition of Jewish prophecy.

"He who receives a prophet because he is a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward"; "a prophet is not without honor except in his own country"; "This is the prophet Jesus from Nazareth of Galilee" etc.

Jesus describes himself as the one who sent the prophets and, obliquely, to his own prophetic mission.

The author errs in implying that the Christian Scriptures describe Jesus as only a prophet.

21 posted on 07/23/2003 6:46:19 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: jammer
I can't even imagine the outrage if there would be a Mohammed Seminar...
22 posted on 07/23/2003 6:46:45 AM PDT by Russ
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To: Aquinasfan
In a related story, Alex Beam also criticized Steven Spielberg for his decision to release Schindler's List.

"No matter what his intentions," Beam said, "this film comes across as very anti-German."

/sarcasm off/

23 posted on 07/23/2003 6:46:51 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Aquinasfan
You know, I never planned to see Gibson's movie, mostly because watching suffering and brutality is so disturbing to me that I have nightmares for weeks to follow after watching a graphic movie. Still, considering the volume of pieces like this that seem to pop-up everywhere, I'm seriously considering "voting" with my pocket book and purchasing a ticket anyway even though I'll skip the actual showing.
24 posted on 07/23/2003 6:50:01 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: Aquinasfan
I attended church when they began their work. I -- and millions like me -- am attending church now that they have finished. Do you think I am surprised to learn that some question the story of the virgin birth? Or, more astonishing still, that some doubt Jesus walked on water?

But for some real truth, read The Globe, right?

No, Mr. Beam, it doesn't surprise me that you and others like you don't believe in a word of the Bible.

What these people don't understand, what Mel Gibson and his ilk don't understand, is that the literal truth of Jesus' story isn't what animates Christian belief. Many of us are awed by the figurative beauty of a story that created a system of values and beliefs that has survived for 2,000 years...

You obviously fail to understand everything, based on this statement. Go back to Sunday School, grown-up church is too advanced for you, obviously.

25 posted on 07/23/2003 6:50:55 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Where's the money, Lebowski?)
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To: Future Snake Eater
I must admit, the lines you quoted disturbed me the most. When surveys quote the number of "Christians" in our society, our author is counted among them.
26 posted on 07/23/2003 6:52:29 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: mhking
morning mhking. You are right-on about this. Gibson himself said that he wanted people to understand the sacrifice that Jesus made.

But you know that there are many out there who do not believe in Jesus or our Christian faith. So they refuse or will never understand, and therefore, will pick apart any attempts to tell the Christian story. It was probably ok with all of these people that someone made a movie that says Jesus was gay. But, OMG, don't you put one out that SHOWS people what Jesus went through.

p.s. I did go to your web-sites. And, you know in a way you are in the same boat as Gibson!!! you are trying to make a difference in a community that doesn't want to face the facts! Know what I mean?
27 posted on 07/23/2003 6:53:37 AM PDT by beachn4fun (If greenies keep at it I will go out and buy two more SUVs.)
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To: Aquinasfan
Both hilarious and sad: the "Jesus Seminar" is a spiritual authority, but Gibson's father is a "crackpot."

That sounds about right for Boston.

28 posted on 07/23/2003 6:54:32 AM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: FourPeas
It greatly disturbs me, too. I can't even take solace in the fact that, one day, he and people like him will learn the truth, because I just keep thinking--how many other true believers will he and his ilk drag into Hell with them?
29 posted on 07/23/2003 6:59:26 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Where's the money, Lebowski?)
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To: Aquinasfan
assigned to the red and pink categories in The Five Gospels

Huh? Did I miss one? Was King Arthur in Monty Python and the Holy Grail doing the counting?

30 posted on 07/23/2003 7:00:04 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Paranoia is when you realize that tin foil hats just focus the mind control beams.)
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To: Aquinasfan
It's pretty obvious that's why they are ALL called religious beliefs....not religious facts.
31 posted on 07/23/2003 7:00:56 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: beachn4fun
And, you know in a way you are in the same boat as Gibson!!! you are trying to make a difference in a community that doesn't want to face the facts! Know what I mean?

[blush] Thank you. I appreciate it, but I'm only one voice. Hopefully one that can make a difference, but still only one.

32 posted on 07/23/2003 7:02:16 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Aquinasfan
What do you expect from an uninformed, uneducated ("beliefs not facts") liberal with an axe to grind? Don't levae out anti-christian.
33 posted on 07/23/2003 7:02:16 AM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Aquinasfan
...will be perceived as anti-semitic

The Israel-loathing, islam-snuggling media ought to know about that.

34 posted on 07/23/2003 7:04:03 AM PDT by SquirrelKing (Don't sweat the petty things...don't pet the sweaty things.)
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To: KarlInOhio
Huh? Did I miss one? Was King Arthur in Monty Python and the Holy Grail doing the counting?

Mel Brooks. 'Came right after "...these fifteen--[crash!] Uh, ten commandments!"

35 posted on 07/23/2003 7:05:15 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
Gibson is only one voice!
36 posted on 07/23/2003 7:06:53 AM PDT by beachn4fun (If greenies keep at it I will go out and buy two more SUVs.)
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To: KarlInOhio
No--the 5th Gospel used in Funk's book is The Gospel of Thomas, a collection of sayings purportedly by Jesus.
37 posted on 07/23/2003 7:07:59 AM PDT by Remole
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To: PaulJ
I borrowned from the thread to send this email to the writer and the paper.

Your column is so obviously intolerant and prejudiced, that it is embarrasing to read. I haven't read such insulting and ax-grinding in a long time. Just becasue you have difficulties with Christianty is no reason to be insulting. The Jesus Seminar, is considered the joke of the intellectual Christian world. Its participants were out of their league and all interested in the same thing, discrediting Christ. You are spouting, word for word, the Jesus Seminar's own press. You are an unthinking mouthpiece who has literally no conception of what you are discussing. What is most dismaying is the fact that you danced around the fact that you haven't even seen the movie.
This story must have passed through the hands of at least one editor, who must also have had literally no conception of what he was reading. There seems to be a cultural void at the Globe and you sir epitomize it.
38 posted on 07/23/2003 7:10:30 AM PDT by mlmr (Support bears naked.)
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To: Pietro
They don't want to see the reality of Christ's suffering because it will shatter their world of complacency.

It's really bothering them. We're 8 months before the movie's release and there's an article a day somewhere trashing the movie –which the writers haven't seen.

39 posted on 07/23/2003 7:13:31 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Kwilliams
How can such nonsensical drivel be published in a semi-national mainstream newspaper?

Astounding, isn't it? This doesn't even rise to high school newspaper quality.

40 posted on 07/23/2003 7:14:50 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
What these people don't understand, what Mel Gibson and his ilk don't understand, is that the literal truth of Jesus' story isn't what animates Christian belief.
Tell that to the 12 apostles who gave up everything to spread the literal truth of Jesus' story and who died gruesome deaths rather than deny the reality of what they had seen with their own eyes.
41 posted on 07/23/2003 7:15:15 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: KarlInOhio
The Jesus Seminar published a very profitable volume entitled The Five Gospels consisting of very loose "translation" of the actual Gospels - a "translation" which demonstrates that the "translators" have an embarassing lack of command of Koine Greek - plus a translation of an apocryphal text known as the Gospel of Thomas.

The Gospel of Thomas is not a narrative of Christ's ministry and passion like the real Gospels - it is a collection of snippets of stories about Jesus which range from bits lifted straight out of the real Gospels to grotesque legends - including a bit about the boy Jesus murdering the local town bully.

It's the kind of book serious scholars wouldn't be caught dead reading.

42 posted on 07/23/2003 7:16:15 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Russ
I can't even imagine the outrage if there would be a Mohammed Seminar...

Excellent point.

43 posted on 07/23/2003 7:17:31 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: FourPeas
You could always buy me an extra ticket!

Or, better yet, buy a block of tickets and give them to your church. I'm sure your pastor knows a family that would enjoy seeing the film but cannot afford a night out at the movies. Your tickets could give them the chance to see it!
44 posted on 07/23/2003 7:18:18 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Aquinasfan
''The mistake was to suppose that Jesus could come to mean more to our time by entering into it as a man like ourselves.''

Is it me, or is this a direct refutation of the very idea of the Incarnation?

And does this write quote this approvingly as evidence of his own "Christianity"?

SD

45 posted on 07/23/2003 7:21:01 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: eastsider
Tell that to the 12 apostles who gave up everything to spread the literal truth of Jesus' story and who died gruesome deaths rather than deny the reality of what they had seen with their own eyes.

That was part of the hoax. You see, years later, when they were old men, they were planning on sitting around laughing about it... No... wait...

46 posted on 07/23/2003 7:24:08 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
Anyone who is confused about the Jesus Seminar quotes in this article should read "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel, who has a law degree and was a writer at the Chicago Tribune. In this book, he examined all of the evidence for the story of Christ, as depicted in the Bible, to prove it was true. He interviewed scholars in all areas - history, archeology, psychology, medicine, bible, language, etc. - to argue the evidence. It's a great book!

My pastor went to seminary and one of his first professors participated in the Jesus Seminar. On the first day of class, this professor told the students they could forget what they knew about the bible and threw his bible out the window. My pastor, who is 35 and started in a garage what is now a 6000-member church, said the experience in this class really shook his beliefs. But that he was able to overcome it with the truth.

47 posted on 07/23/2003 7:24:12 AM PDT by sweetjane
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To: Aquinasfan
"It's really bothering them."

Yes, and what will they say if this movie does well at the Box Office? Especially after the astounding success of LOTR trilogy. Do you think perhaps they will reconsider sex/violence/cynicism/sophistry/banality?

nah....

48 posted on 07/23/2003 7:25:00 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: B-Chan
Your tickets could give them the chance to see it!

Excellent idea! We can all buy extra tickets to donate to our churches. Send a CCD class, please!

49 posted on 07/23/2003 7:26:18 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
"Nothing illustrates this better than the storied Jesus Seminar, whose members, mostly serious Biblical scholars from diverse fields, spent 10 years sorting out what ''really'' happened in the events described in the New Testament."

The "Jesus Seminar" is storied alright, it's infamous for it's collection of apostate wolves in sheeps clothing. A defrocked priest is one of their "experts". So far the laughable "Jesus Seminar" has concluded the only statement that can be attributed to Jesus is "hi there".

50 posted on 07/23/2003 7:27:15 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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