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Fully armed Nazi bomber planes 'buried below East Berlin airport
Drudge via The Scotsman ^ | 7/23/03 | Allan Hall

Posted on 07/23/2003 10:10:21 AM PDT by SquirrelKing

IN BERLIN

AN AIRPORT used by hundreds of thousands of tourists and business travellers each year could be sitting on top of thousands of live bombs.

Papers among thousands of files captured from the Stasi, the secret police of East Germany, claim tons of live Second World War munitions were buried in concrete bunkers beneath the runways of Schoenefeld airport in East Berlin. It is now the main destination for discount airlines, such as Ryanair, and numerous charter companies.

Not only did the commissars intern munitions beneath the runways, but also entire Nazi fighter planes, all fuelled and fully bombed-up, according to the Stasi.

The captured files of Interflug, the former East German government airline and the airport authority of the DDR, are now being examined to see if the Stasi claim is true.

Experts believe it entirely feasible that, in the aftermath of the Second World War, with Berlin littered with millions of tons of unexploded ordnance, the Soviets could well have pressured local officials to move to clear the airfield as swiftly as possible.

"They would have stuffed them anywhere they could - there was simply too much stuff to blow up all at once," said Karl-Heinz Eckhardt, a Berlin historian. "There was a warren of massive Nazi bunkers beneath the site of the present airport that would have suited their purposes."

City authorities claim the airport is perfectly safe, but a thorough check on the claims in the Stasi files - 140 km of them that will still take a number of years to decipher - is being undertaken.

Nearly two million passengers a year pass through Schoenefeld. According to the Stasi files, the ammunition was buried in bunkers between eight and nine metres deep.

A spokesman for the airport said: "We became aware of the bunkers in 1993, four years after the fall of the [Berlin] Wall. A check was undertaken then and everything was determined to be safe."

But he conceded that he was astounded at the claims that fully-fuelled and bombed-up aircraft lie beneath the runways and said new tests about the safety of the structures will be carried out.

He added: "We had no idea that so much ordnance is supposedly under there."

Frank Henkel, the Conservative interior ministry spokesman, said: "This must be investigated thoroughly and immediately and the runways strengthened if necessary."

Berlin, with its sandy, dry soil, was perfect for the bunker-building of the Third Reich. Hundreds of thousands of them were constructed during the 12-year lifespan of the Nazi government: for every one metre of building above ground in modern-day Berlin, there are three metres below ground.

Bunkers are being discovered every day and a group called Underground Berlin has turned several of them into tourist attractions.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: allyourplanes; arebelongtous; armedanddangerous; berlin; charlesnelsonriley; hillary; hitler; loot; nazis
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France surrendered two hours ago.

1 posted on 07/23/2003 10:10:21 AM PDT by SquirrelKing
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To: SquirrelKing
"...for every one metre of building above ground in modern-day Berlin, there are three metres below ground."

Wow! Something about this is very intriguing.
2 posted on 07/23/2003 10:15:18 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: msdrby
ping
3 posted on 07/23/2003 10:23:24 AM PDT by Prof Engineer (I won't FReep at work, I won't FReep at work, I won't FReep at work, I won't FReep at work)
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To: SquirrelKing
I always wanted an FW-190, and while we're at it, I'll take an ME-109.
4 posted on 07/23/2003 10:27:42 AM PDT by banjo joe
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To: SquirrelKing
Underground bombers! Those Nazi's thought of everything. I wonder if they had aerial land mines? Secret weapons programs by the Nazi's were just too cool.
5 posted on 07/23/2003 10:27:55 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (!!!!!!! sdrawkcab si enilgat ym ,em pleh esaelP)
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To: SquirrelKing
Wow. Planes with tanks full of 58-year-old gasoline. I have trouble enough starting my lawnmower if I don't drain the tank in the fall. I'd hate to have the job of trying to get almost 60 years of gunk and varnish out of the fuel lines, fuel pumps, and carburettors.
6 posted on 07/23/2003 10:28:30 AM PDT by brbethke
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To: banjo joe
I'm too big for an ME-109 but I have always wanted an ME-410.
7 posted on 07/23/2003 10:28:39 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: SquirrelKing
Let the Confederate, excuse me, Commerative Air Force , know about this, the idea of original FW's and Me 109's available today should get the whole Ghost Squadron up and about.
8 posted on 07/23/2003 10:28:51 AM PDT by TEXASPROUD
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To: SquirrelKing
Already Posted Here Last Week - Same Title, too!


9 posted on 07/23/2003 10:30:30 AM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: banjo joe
I'll take the ME-262 that's down there.
10 posted on 07/23/2003 10:31:35 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: banjo joe
I always wanted an FW-190...my thoughts exactly.

Where any 262s based in that area?
11 posted on 07/23/2003 10:32:03 AM PDT by Dead Dog (There are no minority rights in a democracy. 51% get's 49%'s stuff.)
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To: SquirrelKing
(Sniff, sniff...) I smell urban legend...
12 posted on 07/23/2003 10:32:37 AM PDT by JimRed (Disinformation is the leftist's and enemy's friend; consider the source before believing.)
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To: brbethke
There are restorers chomping at the bit to get there hands on whatever may exist, if anything.
13 posted on 07/23/2003 10:32:51 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: banjo joe
I'll take a n ME 109G-2 and a FW 190-D9 please.


14 posted on 07/23/2003 10:32:57 AM PDT by Gringo1 (Handsome...and now with springtime fresh lemon scent.)
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To: AppyPappy
Might be enough to go around. One story also circulates about the Japanese stashing planes around the pacific in caves... also subject of Dean Ing novel.
15 posted on 07/23/2003 10:33:59 AM PDT by banjo joe
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To: Flurry
Underground bombers! Those Nazi's thought of everything. I wonder if they had aerial land mines? Secret weapons programs by the Nazi's were just too cool.

Too bad they didn't think of Americans coming to kick their behinds!

16 posted on 07/23/2003 10:35:32 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (EEE)
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To: SquirrelKing
Oh what a find...
The finest engineerd aircraft in the world...
motors beyond old world craftsmanship
Hope they make it to Oshkosh one of these EEA weeks soon
17 posted on 07/23/2003 10:36:22 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: SquirrelKing
Was this close to our secret underground US Submarine base?
18 posted on 07/23/2003 10:36:35 AM PDT by ASA Vet ("Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know." (I'm in the Sgt Schultz group))
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To: SquirrelKing
What are they? Heinkels? MEs? Stukas?
19 posted on 07/23/2003 10:37:55 AM PDT by meandog ("Do unto others before they do unto you!")
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To: SquirrelKing
WOW! If World War II Mustangs are worth nearly $1million each, can you imagine how much an Me-109 or FW-190, untouched since 1945, must be worth.
20 posted on 07/23/2003 10:38:13 AM PDT by nuke_road_warrior
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To: nuke_road_warrior
Didnt I read about this in a Clive Cussler book?
21 posted on 07/23/2003 10:42:32 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
They never saw it coming. But they were prepared to fight an underground airwar that never materialized. That Hitler was a brilliant thinker.
22 posted on 07/23/2003 10:43:27 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (!!!!!!! sdrawkcab si enilgat ym ,em pleh esaelP)
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To: banjo joe
I always wanted an FW-190, and while we're at it, I'll take an ME-109.

No problem. FlugWerk will hook you up. It's not cheap (about $600k, plus instruments and labour, or your time to build) but it is a real FW190 with a real FW WrkNr. Also, a syndicate in the US has 2 Me262s for sale. Seriously.

What would be interesting is if there is a restorable He111 there. The last flying Heinkel was destroyed recently (and the crew of two lost their lives).

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

23 posted on 07/23/2003 10:44:03 AM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: banjo joe
Shoot, I weigh more than a Zero.
24 posted on 07/23/2003 10:51:05 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: SquirrelKing
Suddenly, not finding WMDs in Iraq after only 3 months doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore.
25 posted on 07/23/2003 10:51:28 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (bait is for wusses)
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To: banjo joe
I always wanted an FW-190, and while we're at it, I'll take an ME-109

Coming soon to eBay!

26 posted on 07/23/2003 10:53:05 AM PDT by SquirrelKing (Don't sweat the petty things...don't pet the sweaty things.)
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To: SquirrelKing
We're still finding WWII secrets and the press is concerned because we haven't completely searched Iraq yet.

In the 1960's US personnel found a secret tunnel system underneath the one we had already explored in Bavaria. It was located under the General Walker hotel. Workers in the tunnels noticed that water was leaking through the floor and broke through and found a whole new tunnel system.

When I was at Rhein Main Air Base in the early 80's the Germans found a huge underground storage area full of mustard gas at the main airport.

My wife and I used to ride our bikes through the forest areas and we frequently found openings to bunkers located in the middle of nowhere.

I'm sure there's a lot that we still haven't discovered in Germany and it's been over 50 years since the end of WWII.

27 posted on 07/23/2003 10:59:17 AM PDT by mbynack
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To: AppyPappy
OH the ME-410 what plane alot of fire power!
28 posted on 07/23/2003 11:04:49 AM PDT by DAPFE8900
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To: mbynack
Hot topic at the Belinbunkernetzwek!

http://www.bbn-ev.de/index.php?innerpath=/forum/
29 posted on 07/23/2003 11:08:06 AM PDT by wolficatZ
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To: SquirrelKing
I know they had secret bases on the moon, but this is just too unbelieveable.
30 posted on 07/23/2003 11:17:05 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: AppyPappy
Wouldn't it be cool if there were a couple of Ju 87s under there. I remember reading that out of some 5,700 produced, none survived the war.

31 posted on 07/23/2003 11:28:59 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Southack
Already Posted

"Hoecake got to be flipped a few times befo' it's done." - Uncle Remus

32 posted on 07/23/2003 12:18:34 PM PDT by SquirrelKing (Don't sweat the petty things...don't pet the sweaty things.)
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To: SquirrelKing
This sounds like another classic Heraldo TV Special.
33 posted on 07/23/2003 12:33:29 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: wolficatZ
Great! Do I look like I read German?!?!
34 posted on 07/23/2003 12:47:43 PM PDT by RobRoy
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To: SquirrelKing
I"LL take a few of them "V-2" rockets. That should win the cul-du-sac 4th of July fireworks contest next year.
35 posted on 07/23/2003 1:42:34 PM PDT by JOE6PAK (Ambivalent? Well, yes and no.)
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To: SquirrelKing
Berlin, with its sandy, dry soil, was perfect for the bunker-building of the Third Reich. Hundreds of thousands of them were constructed during the 12-year lifespan of the Nazi government: for every one metre of building above ground in modern-day Berlin, there are three metres below ground.

Didn't Saddam and Osama hire German engineers to design and build their bunkers? Sounds like our Middle Eastern "friends" hired the world experts of bunker building. And the Dimwits in DC think that it is unlikely that there are any WMD buried in Iraq! If you believe that hogwash, I've got a bridge to sell you in NYC.

36 posted on 07/23/2003 2:22:14 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: JOE6PAK
I"LL take a few of them "V-2" rockets. That should win the cul-du-sac 4th of July fireworks contest next year.

Might work on that neighbor who won't turn his stereo down too.

37 posted on 07/23/2003 2:37:26 PM PDT by SquirrelKing (Don't sweat the petty things...don't pet the sweaty things.)
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To: SquirrelKing; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
Very cool.

It would be even cooler if they found a couple of HE-111 bombers.

The only surviving HE-111, which was owned by the Arizona branch of the Comemorative Air Force, was recently destroyed in a crash.
38 posted on 07/23/2003 2:38:32 PM PDT by Johnny Gage (God Bless President Bush, God Bless our Troops, and GOD BLESS AMERICA)
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To: SquirrelKing
LOL! What took them so long?
39 posted on 07/23/2003 2:48:39 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Everytime I lose weight, it finds me again.)
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To: Johnny Gage
It would be cool if they found an He-111 there. My guess would be later planes though, hopefully they find some examples of a ME-262, Long Nosed 190, or He-162.
40 posted on 07/23/2003 2:51:09 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Everytime I lose weight, it finds me again.)
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To: SquirrelKing
Schoenefeld was the Berlin airport of East Germany, but it is not/was not in East Berlin. It is south of Mariendorf/Marienfelde in West Berlin, and is in the Mark Brandenburg, just outside the city limits of Berlin.

I was not aware that Schoenefeld was already in use in the Nazi period. Anybody know anything about that?

I was stationed at Tempelhof Airport in West Berlin from 1970 to 1972. There were rumors while I was there about what was in the subterranean floors of the barracks there, which the Russians had flooded during the Battle of Berlin. Those floors were sealed off, so we could not see what was there.

41 posted on 07/23/2003 2:54:21 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Johnny Gage
Thanks Johnny. It would be great if they really find planes. Thanks for the ping.
42 posted on 07/23/2003 2:55:28 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: SAMWolf; aristeides
Anything jet or technically advanced ( like the incomplete Hs 132) would have been carted off by the Soviets.
Henschel Aircraft had a huge complex there; above and below ground. Ju-88s
and Ju-388s were built there up until Feb '45 when all production switched to single
engine fighters. Plus all the Henschel  guided missile projects were built there, which
could account for large quantities of SC500 and other type bombs.
Anything from He-111s, Do217s, Ju88/388s. Fw190A/D/F/G's
Me109G/K's, Hs129s, or Ju87Gs. Who knows.
I ran across a site earlier where a Soviet pilot shot down
a Me-109 over Schoenefeld in April '45 so they were probably based
there during the last days of the war.

43 posted on 07/23/2003 3:45:17 PM PDT by wolficatZ
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To: wolficatZ
You're probably right about any jet/rocket aircraft being carted off. Sure would be nice to find some Fw-190s there though.


44 posted on 07/23/2003 3:53:39 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Everytime I lose weight, it finds me again.)
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To: SAMWolf
You guy have no imagination

I want a Ta152

I would prefer a C model but an H model will do

Check out http://www.luft46.com/

45 posted on 07/23/2003 4:04:48 PM PDT by tophat9000
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To: SquirrelKing
Given that corroded lumps of 60-year old scrap aluminum are nowadays "restorable" aircraft worth thousands, expect some serious spelunking to go on here soon (assuming it isn't an uber-urban legend). And while you're at it, I'd like an ME-262, a cool, longnosed TA-152, and one of those Nazi flying saucers that didn't exist (assuming they didn't all end up at the secret base in Anarctica).
46 posted on 07/23/2003 4:11:32 PM PDT by ZviTheWise
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To: SAMWolf
Nice pic of the D. Could be Fw190s there; I had some video footage of Tempelhof after the
Soviet capture and you can see a number of Fw190s in a hangar, so they were
definitely in Berlin at the end of the war. Fuel being so short; would have been
reserved for the few fighter and recon units available;most of the bomber units
were dissolved and the crews and ground crews sent into the Battle for Berlin
on the ground.
 
A number of Fa-223s were captured at Tempelhof supposedly

47 posted on 07/23/2003 4:35:09 PM PDT by wolficatZ
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To: Frank_Discussion
In 2002 the French were doing some work in a rural area that would have been a couple miles behind the front in W.W.1 when the backhoe they were using uncovered a tunnel complete with narrow gage electric railroad tracks that dated back to W.W.1 ,the tunnel was used for moving men & ammunition up to the front out of sight of the enemy & under protection from airburst artillery.heaven only knows what is still buried under the soil in the various parts of the old East Germany.
48 posted on 07/23/2003 4:51:00 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 "reach out and thump someone " & .50 cal Browning "reach out & CRUSH someone")
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To: SAMWolf
             They just dug up one of these

 

49 posted on 07/23/2003 4:55:03 PM PDT by wolficatZ
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To: wolficatZ
Aha so that's what all the UFO sightings are!


50 posted on 07/23/2003 5:04:53 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Everytime I lose weight, it finds me again.)
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